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Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

My wife and I have been heavily considering a move to Armenia recently. The major concern was always whether the hostilities would flare up again. This really sucks and is incredibly depressing.

https://twitter.com/emil_sanamyan/status/1310306046632775690?s=20

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Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

PawParole posted:

why does turkey support Azerbijan? what's in it for them?
Azerbaijanis are turkic

PawParole posted:

Pick a side



Armenia is not backed by the US lol

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

The US is funding this fight

quote:

As the U.S. has ratcheted up diplomatic and military pressure on Iran, it has been quietly offering neighboring Azerbaijan more than $100 million in military aid. The money appears aimed at countering threats from Tehran.

The U.S. Defense Department allotted $58.6 million in fiscal year 2018 and $42.9 million the following year to Azerbaijan’s border and customs services, according to Pentagon reports to Congress obtained and published by Security Assistance Monitor (SAM), a Washington, D.C., watchdog.

The funding plans represented a significant increase in U.S. military aid to Azerbaijan from previous years, and far outstripped the assistance given to nearly any other country in the region. Over those two fiscal years, the military aid to Azerbaijan would exceed that provided to Georgia, the U.S.’s most loyal and visible partner in the region.
https://eurasianet.org/amid-iran-crisis-us-offers-big-military-aid-boost-to-azerbaijan

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

https://twitter.com/emil_sanamyan/status/1310665728379572225?s=20

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005


The Ararat tour is really good, and that part of it was a surprise, I hadn't known about it.

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Zedhe Khoja posted:

The Azeri state are evil fuckers but this kind of poo poo is more or less blatant genocide denial.

can you clarify what you are taking about?

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

There is a Turkish population in LA / Orange County. not nearly the size of the Armenian population ofc

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1310804374143131648

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

The sausage has been secured
https://twitter.com/emil_sanamyan/status/1312092565055909888?s=20

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

This is a not bad map to show the current "borders" if thats what you want to call them. Nothing about the demographics though of course:

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Avynte posted:

having a cookout with your buddies and then shooting the empty beercans off a nearby post is good fun in the american countryside, so I assume armenians would enjoy it too

Eating khorovats and drinking some grandfathers homemade oghi (they sell it on the side of the road) then offroading in bear country and shooting guns was one of my favorite things I've done in Armenia.

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005


https://twitter.com/wwwmodgovaz/status/1312744085460058114?s=20

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Like CardiB, Elton had a post up on Instagram that has now disappeared. The Azeri social media game is strong

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Azerbaijan makes its case to pro-Israel Americans
https://asiatimes.com/2020/10/azerbaijan-makes-its-case-to-pro-israel-americans/

quote:

Azerbaijani Ambassador to the US Elin Suleymanov alluded to 9/11 conspiracy theories and warned that Internet trolls may be trying to “push Armenian propaganda under Jewish names” in an appeal to a pro-Israel group on Thursday.
...
“Azerbaijan is not necessarily that different from the United States or Israel,” Suleymanov said. “If you look at the region, Azerbaijan is very clearly aligned with the Christian countries, and with the State of Israel, and with others, while Armenia is behaving in a totally different way.”
...
“These kinds of allegation are similar to the allegations that Americans committed 9/11 against themselves,” he said. “And, by the way, there’s more videos, more evidence, and more serious [sic] about that than about what happens in Azerbaijan.”

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Why were they lovely on that subject? Seems odd

Depending on the source, Herzl was either fully or not-fully aware of what the Ottomans were doing to the Armenians and he sold them out in exchange for Palestinian land

https://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Opinionated/Herzl-The-interesting-character-that-inspired-a-nation-401006

quote:

He lost some respect among other Jewish journalists when he supported the Ottoman cause of destroying Armenian Christians, although it was not clear that he actually knew what was happening to the Armenians at the time, in order to try and gain favor and support from the Sultan to allow Jews to immigrate to Palestine freely. More precisely in 1896, when he visited Sultan Abdul Hamid to try and persuade him to open up Palestine, he did not gain any ground, yet due to his fame as a journalist agreed to provide support for the Sultan in the papers, as he was ravaged by Europe’s press for his deplorable and unspeakable actions in Armenia.
Note that the Hamidian massacres were in 1894-1896


Also,
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536529?seq=1
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/herzls-sell-out-of-armenians-1.5357026

Israel purchases oil from Azerbaijan, and Israel has never recognized the Armenian genocide.

Boredumb has issued a correction as of 20:07 on Oct 12, 2020

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Atrocious Joe posted:

This thread is pretty pro-Armenia, but c-spam rally isn't reflective of what most people are hearing and reading.

the wider Western media is building to support Azerbaijan no matter what, and there's money pouring in to reinforce that stance.


https://www.theamericanconservative...PcTjZ5dTuSzWNPE
yeah the american conservative is bonkers with it's domestic coverage, but it's decent when covering stuff connected to US foreign policy
A lot of Armenians tend to vote conservative in the US and have been big on Trump before this. The younger American-Armenian diaspora have been raising money and telling people to vote (presumably democrat) and write to Congress since this conflict has broken out.


Some of the partners at DLA Piper, mentioned in the story above lol:
https://www.dlapiper.com/en/us/people/e/emhoff-douglas-c/
Douglas C. Emhoff - partner, spouse of Kamala Harris

https://www.dlapiper.com/en/us/people/s/setrakian-berge/
Berge Setrakian - partner, also the current president of the AGBU, probably the largest Armenian diasporic organization

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

https://twitter.com/ShStepanyan/status/1316274354032914433

confirmed by Azerbaijan too

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

for whatever it’s worth:

https://twitter.com/ShStepanyan/status/1317607962916098048

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Vasukhani posted:

Jalal Harutyunyan, minister of defense for Artsakh, has been assassinated in a targeted drone strike.

Is this confirmed by outside sources anywhere? I've only seen that he was wounded, but I'm sure that could be false

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Fuligin posted:

are there any good sites/outlets in english to try and track this? im assuming not and my best bet is to continue trawling through twitter

ShallNoiseUpon posted:

also curious about this, have been trying to follow it since the war nerd episode with the journalist in stepanakert

From the Armenia-based side, these accounts post / write about it in English:

https://twitter.com/joshuakucera
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer
https://twitter.com/MejlumyanAni

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Pashinyan posted this:
https://www.facebook.com/nikol.pashinyan/posts/2807204759599901

quote:

Dear compatriots, sisters and brothers. I personally made a very hard decision for me and all of us.

I have signed a statement on the termination of the Karabakh war with Russian and Azerbaijani presidents from 01.00 pm. The text of the statement that has already been published is unbelievably painful for me and our people.

I made that decision as a result of a deep analysis of the military situation and appreciation of the people who have the best possession of the situation. Also based on the belief that this is the best solution in the situation created. I'll write a message about it in the coming days.

It's not a victory, but there's no defeat until you know yourself. We will never know ourselves and this should be the start of our national unity, rebirth era.
We need to analyze our years of independence to plan our future and not repeat the mistakes of the past.I kneel down to all our victims. I bow down to all our soldiers, killers, generals, volunteers who protected and protected their homeland with their lives. They have saved Artsakh by their personalities.

We fought till the end. And we will win. Artsakh is standing.

Long live Armenia. Long live Artsakh.

I haven't been able to see the text of the statement he refers to yet

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/us/politics/biden-armenia-genocide-turkey.html

quote:

Biden Preparing to Declare That Atrocities Against Armenia Were Genocide

The designation for the World War I-era killings would further fray U.S. relations with Turkey, but it is a risk the president appears willing to take to further human rights, officials said.

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Pashinyan won in a landslide over former president Kocharyan

https://twitter.com/evn_report/status/1406835992263266305

Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/USArmyEURAF/status/1702623346645430459

the USA is training Armenian forces to suppress public protest

idk how that'll help fight off Azeri forces. Good luck on that front.

Yerevan city council and mayor elections are this weekend and its been testy so far

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Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

Zedhe Khoja posted:

I've kinda come around to the idea that this is bascially what Pashinyan wanted. He and Aliyev can toast each other in Hell.

??

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