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Zedhe Khoja posted:Yeah alot of those cities have populations of 0. take a walk around beutiful downtown agdam https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9870792,46.9365016,1772m/data=!3m1!1e3
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". The vast majority of it is a horrifying wasteland of crumbling dead cities. Outside of Stepanakert and a spackling of tiny villages around it its a loving Fallout game. Its the creepiest loving place on earth.
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Zedhe Khoja posted:Those sections of Azerbaijan were occupied and ethnically cleansed in the 90's, a major part of the backstory of this conflict. So they can move stuff pretty easy, terrain and lovely infrastructure aside. I feel like there should be a primer or effort post somewhere explaining the difference between Nagorno Karabakh the Soviet Oblast, Karabakh/Artsakh the geographical/cultural region, and Artsakh the modern political entity. Maybe also detail past peace efforts and the various diplomatic factors at play. An effort post would be wonderful if u are willing
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To be clear, the Armenian population of Azerbaijan was also liquidated and there are also a bunch of abandon villages in Azerbaijan as well. It is a pretty dismal situation.
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Ardennes posted:To be clear, the Armenian population of Azerbaijan was also liquidated and there are also a bunch of abandon villages in Azerbaijan as well. It is a pretty dismal situation. Is this like a Balkans thing where they were culturally and linguistically similar for centuries but then like 100 years ago they used advanced race science to measure skulls and decide to kill each other or just like a religious thing?
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Terminal autist posted:Is this like a Balkans thing where they were culturally and linguistically similar for centuries but then like 100 years ago they used advanced race science to measure skulls and decide to kill each other or just like a religious thing? eh, they were distinct, just lived in heterogenous areas
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I openly admit I don't know anything about this region. I'm mostly viewing this event through the lens of previous Turkish involvement in Syria and Libya.Terminal autist posted:Is this like a Balkans thing where they were culturally and linguistically similar for centuries but then like 100 years ago they used advanced race science to measure skulls and decide to kill each other or just like a religious thing? I think the geography of the Caucuses did lead to the development of different dialects/languages/religious practices over time. Being at the periphery of three big empires for the first part of the modern era Russia/Iran/Ottomans also meant that no indigenous group really came to dominate in it's own right.
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Terminal autist posted:Is this like a Balkans thing where they were culturally and linguistically similar for centuries but then like 100 years ago they used advanced race science to measure skulls and decide to kill each other or just like a religious thing? They're pretty different culturally, they speak distinct languages and obviously have a different religion. The roots of the conflict basically come from the fact that Armenia and Azerbaijan were in the middle of a war when they were mutually conquered by the Soviets (or reconquered I guess) and Stalin basically decided that the old front lines were a fine enough place to draw the borders for the new SSRs rather than reconsolidating them in an ethnically sensible way. This combined with the fact that the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute was literally the founding issue for modern Armenia (and to a lesser extent Azerbaijan) has lead to a stupid mutual politics of revanchism.
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Vasukhani posted:take a walk around beutiful downtown agdam https://www.google.com/maps/@39.985...!7i10240!8i5120 check the table next to the jeep i like to look at streetview pics all over the world, have traveled in contested areas, and that's literally the first time i've seen a firearm necessary to have a picnic
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i say swears online posted:https://www.google.com/maps/@39.985...!7i10240!8i5120 Could also be for wild animals or recreational shooting
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i've seen that in google street view locked up appropriately, or people laying out carrying cases. never long rifles just sitting out there, and i've put in one thousand miles of the sierra madre oriental in zeta territory
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You don't have to travel far to see that, just head down to the Dominican Republic or Costa Rica where every shop has to pay an armed guard to sit out front all day and night with a shotgun or rifle. It's very common to see AKs and Mossbergs just leaning up against walls as you walk through town.
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never seen a rifle in latin america but can confirm that everyone in el salvador and guatemala has a pistol and all the security guards carry 12-guages
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100x more likely that its for target shooting or getting lunch than for protecting against whatever wild bands of Azeri mad max extras are roaming the countryside
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fair, i'm being very sensationalist with that pic i guess
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having a cookout with your buddies and then shooting the empty beercans off a nearby post is good fun in the american countryside, so I assume armenians would enjoy it too
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Avynte posted:having a cookout with your buddies and then shooting the empty beercans off a nearby post is good fun in the american countryside, so I assume armenians would enjoy it too Eating khorovats and drinking some grandfathers homemade oghi (they sell it on the side of the road) then offroading in bear country and shooting guns was one of my favorite things I've done in Armenia.
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sum posted:They're pretty different culturally, they speak distinct languages and obviously have a different religion. The roots of the conflict basically come from the fact that Armenia and Azerbaijan were in the middle of a war when they were mutually conquered by the Soviets (or reconquered I guess) and Stalin basically decided that the old front lines were a fine enough place to draw the borders for the new SSRs rather than reconsolidating them in an ethnically sensible way. This combined with the fact that the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute was literally the founding issue for modern Armenia (and to a lesser extent Azerbaijan) has lead to a stupid mutual politics of revanchism. A big issue is that while Nagorno-Karabakh, the oblast, is almost entirely Armenian...everything else around it is a mixed bag and basically someone had to lose after the dust settled. Azerbaijan was the first one conquered (due to its oil industry) and the defacto borders stuck. It isn't a situation where there was a "quick fix" where some group would not lose out since connecting Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia would take putting a bunch of Azerbaijanis into Armenian hands and/or mass resettlement/cleaning. Also, according to wikipedia, relations with Turkey were the only things motivating Soviet decisions...which wasn't really correct. A lot of it is that that ethnic Azerbaijanis Bolsheviks, especially Narimanov, demanded it as compensation and getting the Baku communists on Moscow's side was necessary to get Baku in working condition which is the entire reason they were in the Caucasus in the first place. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 03:24 on Oct 3, 2020 |
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Boredumb posted:Eating khorovats and drinking some grandfathers homemade oghi (they sell it on the side of the road) then offroading in bear country and shooting guns was one of my favorite things I've done in Armenia. hell yeah, that all looks delicious and sounds like an awesome time
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So like does anyone have any idea what the state of things are and who's 'Winning'? So far it seems like the Azeris have the run of the skies and are bombing the poo poo out of Armenian forces but havent bothered to try and do an actual invasion to sieze territory....
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Al-Saqr posted:So like does anyone have any idea what the state of things are and who's 'Winning'? It's hard to say since unlike in Syria this is a real conventional war between nation-states with armies that actually care about opsec. Today saw the heaviest fighting of the war so far though. If I had to provide an armchair analysis from what informarion we've seen online. I'd say Azerbaijan hasn't made any real territorial gains so far. As all we're seeing is drone footage from them. Whereas on the Armenian side we're seeing videos of Azerbaijani tank columns and infantry attacks being repulsed along with shoot downs of helicopters and drones. Now this could just be an opening strategy to wear down Armenian defense positions with drone strikes and Syrian mercenaries as cannon fodder. Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan gave a speech today and he mentioned that there's been many human, hardware, and civilian losses. He said however that the "Artsakh Defense Army has already carried out active counter-offensive operations, achieved significant success, obliterating several enemy special unit battalions." Other Armenian accounts are echoing news of a successful counterattack, but we'll have to see what that entails. Georgia has reportedly (1)ceased allowing the transport of military goods through, so we'll see who has better supply and resupply. 1: https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1312298125290360833?s=19 Syrian groups still have bad opsec. https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1312372865937932289?s=19
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Smythe posted:i like armenia bc of they sexy women. with the bad attitude and epic knockers, rear end, club dress, etc. they get my vote. case closed.
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OhFunny posted:Syrian groups still have bad opsec. Turkey sending jihadists into other countries was one of the things that China was worried about with respect to Uighur extremism
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gradenko_2000 posted:Turkey sending jihadists into other countries was one of the things that China was worried about with respect to Uighur extremism I assume your saying that Therefore it’s ok to shove all the uighurs into concentration camps and systematically destroy their religion, culture, mosques, etc. and subjecting them to surveillance and extreme oppression.
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Al-Saqr posted:I assume your saying that Therefore it’s ok to shove all the uighurs into concentration camps and systematically destroy their religion, culture, mosques, etc. and subjecting them to surveillance and extreme oppression. No, but anyone giving up religion in 2020 is a net positive (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Al-Saqr posted:I assume your saying that Therefore it’s ok to shove all the uighurs into concentration camps and systematically destroy their religion, culture, mosques, etc. and subjecting them to surveillance and extreme oppression. I read it in a book by Seymour Hersh that was mostly about how the entire narrative we've been sold about bin Laden's killing was completely faked, and finding some level of confirmation of the take feels... odd and disconcerting.
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i'm assuming that hersh merely confirms what anyone with a brain already knew, that ISI hid him for 10 years and there was never an attempt to take him alive
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https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1312443790188191744?s=19 Neither Azerbaijan nor Armenia are signatories to the Convention on Cluster Munitions. This is a significant escalation in the war.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol what dipshit IK/mod gave this fascist a sci-fi avatar (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://streamable.com/8x0ivm Mataghis is claimed to have been captured bt the Azeris. https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...03!4d46.7510035 Those houses in ruins were Azeris' before the war, the new houses are IDPs that have been settled after being forced out of Azerbaijan, now forced to flee again. wisconsingreg has issued a correction as of 21:34 on Oct 3, 2020 |
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Vasukhani posted:Those houses in ruins were Azeris before the war, the new houses are IDPs that have been settled after being forced out of Azerbaijan, now forced to flee again. this sucks this whole situation and repeated death and displacement is depressing
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Gaupo Guacho posted:have you ever considered not being a gigantic loving pussy? lol this the best you got you dime store cargo cult
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My dude gives away the game to easy on his bio #Khive lmao
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https://twitter.com/WarSurfing/status/1312096632985579522?s=20 https://twitter.com/WASBAPPIN/status/1312245838039511044?s=20 https://twitter.com/propornot/status/1312489294620106753?s=20 The most moral army in the world. Now that's Bappin!
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