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Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.



Ramrod XTreme

Poohs Packin posted:

As with most lovely or trendy diets, youll probably be fine if you do them in your 20s and live an otherwise healthy lifestyle, as MP seems to. The human body is amazingly resilient.

A lot of the fitness hucksters on Twitter and IG are just young people who havent had to deal with maintaining fitness into their 30s and 40s.

Turns out the solution to having a rocking bod is "be 24 years old".

Id like to see what happens to MP health wise if she maintains atkins diet into middle age. I can't imagine it would be good.
There's also a lot of survivorship bias and censorship going on with crazy diets.

Regarding the survivorship bias, of course the limited number of people for whom a weird diet works are going to be promoting it. We already know it works for them. If they tried something and it failed, they wouldn't be talking about it.

Regarding the latter, forums (and nowadays subreddits or Facebook groups) for these kinds of diets tend to just ban people who start complaining about health problems. It's hard for anyone to notice, because there aren't many old-timers with wacko lifestyles. Invariably people who start getting health problems quit (or get banned), and the newbies who inherently lack institutional knowledge don't/won't even notice that anyone's missing.

Lots of associated cons with fake supplements and whatnot can go on for a really long time, because it doesn't matter when one group of customers wise up; there's always a fresh crop of 16-year-olds looking to get jacked, and they're eager to buy whatever fart powder they're told will make their biceps bigger.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




I'm pretty sure 90% of the time 'diets' work is just it's the person actually structuring and paying attention to what they eat.

1redflag
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!


Who wants a diet so.bitch made that drinking a cider puts you down for two weeks

Cicadalek
May 8, 2006

Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, talentless fuckfest, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another

Puppy Time posted:

She's started on his new book if you're hankerin' for more.

oh god i hope she can make it through it

lol the first chapter is literally called "Do not carelessy denigrate social institutions or creative achievement."

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001


Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm pretty sure 90% of the time 'diets' work is just it's the person actually structuring and paying attention to what they eat.

portion control goes a long way. easier said than done, but it makes a big difference.

Cicadalek posted:

Because the rule isn't just "clean your room", which as people have pointed out is fairly uncontroversial life advice. It's "SET YOUR HOUSE IN PERFECT ORDER BEFORE YOU CRITICIZE THE WORLD"

Which if you think about it for more than two seconds, makes no sense at all. Perfect order? Who has their life 100% together at any given time? What does perfect even mean in this context?

What's funny to me is if you went and looked at the self-help section at an airport bookstore, all the top-sellers are variations of "get your poo poo together, gently caress everyone else." His advice isn't particularly different from any other person these days, where you turn inwards and focus on reconstituting yourself into some higher being, which for most people is going to be near impossible because you can't will yourself out of being poor or sick or depressed or whatever.

It's hosed up because this hyper-individualism cuts out something that's been important to human beings forever: other people. People are already isolated enough as it is, most of this stuff is just going to drive people further into madness. I suspect the turn towards mindfulness and meditation might also be a part of this trend, although I don't think those things in of themselves are bad or harmful.

Dreylad fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Apr 11, 2021

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

Rise and shine, master leprechaun.





Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm pretty sure 90% of the time 'diets' work is just it's the person actually structuring and paying attention to what they eat.

A simple "should I be eating this" filter before shoving something in your mouth goes a long way, which is why I'm pitching my "don't eat anything that could contain rat feces" diey

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Poohs Packin posted:

As with most lovely or trendy diets, youll probably be fine if you do them in your 20s and live an otherwise healthy lifestyle, as MP seems to. The human body is amazingly resilient.

A lot of the fitness hucksters on Twitter and IG are just young people who havent had to deal with maintaining fitness into their 30s and 40s.

Turns out the solution to having a rocking bod is "be 24 years old".

Id like to see what happens to MP health wise if she maintains atkins diet into middle age. I can't imagine it would be good.

this is all quite accurate. i went from 20 - 28 eating a horrendously unhealthy steady diet of spicy chicken sandwiches and big carl's (back when they USED to be $.99 and $1.99 a pop, respectively ) from carl's jr (i believe you heathens on the east coast call them 'hardy's" or something to that effect). in fairness to myself, i knew that poo poo was unhealthy, but i barely had any money in those early years, and also didn't have access to a kitchen to cook my own food. though also in fairness to my critics, this was still an issue even after money was longer a problem and i could cook whatever the hell i wanted

anyway, when i finally got a job that provided health insurance, i immediately took advantage by taking a physical. this was the first physical i had since probably i was 16 or something. i knew my eating habits were horrible, so i was expecting bad news. but the doctor didn't call me for like 2 weeks and so i eventually called them up. she put me on hold and then came back saying 'yeah, everything looks fine'. and i'm like '...uh, you sure about that?'. and she was like 'yes, all your cholesterol and glucose levels are all normal. keep up the good work'.

now, granted, i wasn't complaining or anything, but it was super surprising to me. figured i'd be pre-diabetic at the very least for sure!

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Finally...

There's a new video by Philosophy Tube about our hero JP. Haven't finished watching it yet though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m81q-ZkfBm0

Regarde Aduck
Oct 18, 2012

haha


Grimey Drawer

Mr Interweb posted:

this is all quite accurate. i went from 20 - 28 eating a horrendously unhealthy steady diet of spicy chicken sandwiches and big carl's (back when they USED to be $.99 and $1.99 a pop, respectively ) from carl's jr (i believe you heathens on the east coast call them 'hardy's" or something to that effect). in fairness to myself, i knew that poo poo was unhealthy, but i barely had any money in those early years, and also didn't have access to a kitchen to cook my own food. though also in fairness to my critics, this was still an issue even after money was longer a problem and i could cook whatever the hell i wanted

anyway, when i finally got a job that provided health insurance, i immediately took advantage by taking a physical. this was the first physical i had since probably i was 16 or something. i knew my eating habits were horrible, so i was expecting bad news. but the doctor didn't call me for like 2 weeks and so i eventually called them up. she put me on hold and then came back saying 'yeah, everything looks fine'. and i'm like '...uh, you sure about that?'. and she was like 'yes, all your cholesterol and glucose levels are all normal. keep up the good work'.

now, granted, i wasn't complaining or anything, but it was super surprising to me. figured i'd be pre-diabetic at the very least for sure!

Type 2 still has a genetic component. Which is why you can get people too fat to leave their house but donít have diabetes.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005



Tarkus posted:

There's a new video by Philosophy Tube about our hero JP. Haven't finished watching it yet though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m81q-ZkfBm0

I had absolutely no idea what she was on about in half of this and I've watched most of her stuff.

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Finally...

Puppy Time posted:

I had absolutely no idea what she was on about in half of this and I've watched most of her stuff.

Yeah, I just finished it. It was kind of incoherent at times. I think it was an effort to keep it interesting conflicting with making it informational. I got the gist of what she was saying anyways.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

MTV




Clicked link then immediately closed link.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

In the cheery brightness of the 41st millennium there is only CHRISTMAS SPIRIT!


It was novel when ContraPoints started doing it years and years but watching rich leftists dress like french aristocracy got old real fuckin fast. But I'll take an infinite amount of lame pagentry over a single second of Jorpo or his followers. I just hope hbomberguy doesn't do his next video roleplaying as Oscar Wilde.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Regarde Aduck posted:

Type 2 still has a genetic component. Which is why you can get people too fat to leave their house but donít have diabetes.

sure but if nothing else i woulda figured my cholesterol levels would've been through the roof

Who What Now posted:

It was novel when ContraPoints started doing it years and years but watching rich leftists dress like french aristocracy got old real fuckin fast. But I'll take an infinite amount of lame pagentry over a single second of Jorpo or his followers. I just hope hbomberguy doesn't do his next video roleplaying as Oscar Wilde.

agreed. it just comes off as kind of tryhard and pretentious.

also haven't seen that channel in a while, so had no idea ollie transitioned!

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020
ASK ME ABOUT HOW INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS ARE ACTUALLY MASTER/SLAVE RELATIONSHIPS


Tarkus posted:

There's a new video by Philosophy Tube about our hero JP. Haven't finished watching it yet though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m81q-ZkfBm0

why would you go through all this trouble when the perfect video to sum up jordan peterson already exists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fshECqoBkM

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!


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Poohs Packin fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Apr 13, 2021

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Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!


Mr Interweb posted:


agreed. it just comes off as kind of tryhard and pretentious.


Not to get overly political in a thread about dunking on Jorp but:

This is how much of middle america sees democrats. When the right has a champion that mimics left wing academic elitism with even marginal success, they glom onto them because it gives them someone to parrot. In their minds it unlocks a bit of access to an otherwise illegible scholarly world. Its why they all quote books that appear on 11th grade summer reading lists.

My point is that left wingers talking down their nose and making jokes about Sir Ebenezer Howard have played a part in fabricating guys like him. I do love me some contrapoints though.

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