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Stevie Lee posted:if that dude has a jump shot it's over He does! He's the best prospect on earth and I don't think it's all that close
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MourningView posted:He does! He's the best prospect on earth and I don't think it's all that close He’s eligible to enter the draft next year right?
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Papes posted:He’s eligible to enter the draft next year right? "Player must be 19 years old during draft calender year, and at least one season has passed since graduation of high school." He doesn't turn 18 until January 4.
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Papes posted:He’s eligible to enter the draft next year right? No year after. Next year's is a little bit down I think based on the bit I've seen of guys but lots of big guys who can shoot it.
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Those U19 games are being shown on YouTube. Wish there was commentary, though.
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Jul 3, 2021 19:07
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Wembanyama has a 5/5 name too
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https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1411856249927442435?s=19 One of the biggest withdrawals so far, had him in the late first/early second tier.
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Joel Ayayi is a very interesting prospect. He's a great shooter, he can move the ball on offense and make generally good decisions. He had almost no pressure at all as the 4th option on a really good team. But when he was the pnr ball handler he looked smooth. At times he's an impressive defender, chases people off of screens like a greyhound. Downsides, old for a prospect, thin, plus wingspan but not ++++, not a hyper athlete, doesn't have great side to side movement, seems to be easily shoved aside when multiple bodies are moving around. The poor athleticism stuff applies to a lot of his ballhandling/scoring stuff, would his nice flashes be easy snuff outs against NBA players? I started watching him because I was watching some gonzaga for kispert/ suggs and he intrigued me. Seems like a good second round gamble, could be an end of rotation guy to start, or you could put him on a 2 way and hope he can get stronger and quicker in an NBA training program. It seems like prospects who you don't have to ask "But can he shoot" about should naturally get a bump up, since a lot of the time the answer will be "no"
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He is also an extremely good guard rebounder which I speaks to having generally good feel since you're right that the athleticism isn't anything special. Really good feel for knowing when to crash the offensive glass especially, if an NBA team would let him do it. Don't think he can ever be much more than a good third or fourth guard because he doesn't put any pressure on the rim but yeah he slots pretty cleanly into a NBA role as an off ball shooter who can do some secondary ball handling stuff in a pinch, make the right pass, and not gently caress up the defense. Not much upside but you can draft him and feel pretty confident that he knows what he's doing and can slot into a bench role pretty early.
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Jul 5, 2021 21:54
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This draft is going to produce the greatest group of secondary ballhandlers in draft history.
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dokmo posted:This draft is going to produce the greatest group of secondary ballhandlers in draft history. It owns. I'm glad people are starting to realize how valuable it is to have multiple ball handlers on a team and that they don't really take away from each other. Much like shooting, it is good to have lots of players with this skill.
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secondary ballhandlers would be a good gang tag
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MourningView posted:He is also an extremely good guard rebounder Oh yeah, good point, wasn't even thinking about that. As for Kispert, I really appreciate how each of his shots have an almost completely static look, like they were from an old NBA arcade game. each variation stays the same no matter how many repetitions there are. My questions about him, aside from the obvious athleticism/defense stuff are, can he attack closeouts enough to be respected with the ball in his hands, and can he improve his court vision/decision making. I've seen Joe Harris comps but he's miles away as a secondary ball handler, he really needs to improve when it comes to finding cutters and rollers. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jul 5, 2021 |
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In five years there will be only secondary ballhandlers, a league of Denver Nuggetses.
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dokmo posted:In five years there will be only secondary ballhandlers, a league of Denver Nuggetses. The ball and player movement will be incredible.
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I dunno that Kispert has a lot of off the dribble value but he is a pretty good passer within his role. I'm also not that worried about his defense. He definitely won't be good but I think you can get away with him as a 3/4 most of the time and not have it be a huge liability, he's big and generally knows what he's supposed to be doing. It's hard to really hunt guys who have legit wing size like that to the degree that they're ever completely unplayable especially when he can rebound well enough to play some 4 I will say the idea of him as a lottery pick doesn't really make sense to me, you can find shooters of basically the same level in the 2nd round MourningView fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Hey people who pay too close attention to the draft tell me about Vrenz Bleijenbergh
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Dexo posted:Hey people who pay too close attention to the draft tell me about Vrenz Bleijenbergh Gesundheit
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Dexo posted:Hey people who pay too close attention to the draft tell me about Vrenz Bleijenbergh Super fun Belgian guy. 6'10" and an absolutely incredible passer and good ball handler for his size, but shot is kinda iffy and he's only like 180 pounds or something. I like him in the second round.
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MourningView posted:Super fun Belgian guy. 6'10" and an absolutely incredible passer and good ball handler for his size, but shot is kinda iffy and he's only like 180 pounds or something. I like him in the second round. Seems about right I've seen #rumors the Bulls are high on him.
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Kibner posted:The ball and player movement will be incredible.
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Had a chance to watch Wembanyama today. Jesus CHRIST
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Had a chance to watch Wembanyama today. I watched that too he's so loving good lol
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I cant wait for Bill Simmons to discover him and then have a podcast where he stops talking about the celtics long enough to mention how much of a UNICORN he is
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MourningView posted:I watched that too he's so loving good lol Like he didn't shoot well, but there were times where he just completely imposed his will, Argentina clearly game planned for him and on a bunch of plays it just didn't matter Paul Zuvella posted:I cant wait for Bill Simmons to discover him and then have a podcast where he stops talking about the celtics long enough to mention how much of a UNICORN he is It'll just be him trying to pitch trades for the right to pick him El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Watching some more Bouknight and it's remarkable how easy it is for him to move while in a crouch, he can almost somersault with a live dribble. Great hip mobility and mobility in general. Although the crouch is always a worry for long term health. Haven't seen that sort of ease from a ball handler in a little while. Small though. Very small fellow Other side of the coin is that he knows how great he is at handling the ball that he gets cocky and it gets knocked away. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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I just found out about Chet Holmgren, him and Wembanyama going first in back-to-back drafts would be very funny
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morestuff posted:I just found out about Chet Holmgren, him and Wembanyama going first in back-to-back drafts would be very funny I keep finding ways in 2k to create hilarious teams with the Thunder picks that have those two at the 4 and 5 just murdering dudes. You can put some incredibly mediocre guys 1-3 if your two 7 footers can hit 3s, block, and run. I really really hate that the Cavs probably could be a fringe playoff team in the east with any of the top 3-4 guys in this draft. I want to suck long enough to get some generational 7 footer.
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TheGreyGhost posted:I keep finding ways in 2k to create hilarious teams with the Thunder picks that have those two at the 4 and 5 just murdering dudes. You can put some incredibly mediocre guys 1-3 if your two 7 footers can hit 3s, block, and run. Nah man. Not even rookie Lebron could do that One of sexland could be traded before the season, and probably will be by the deadline. Love might get some good playing time in hopes of a trade rather than a buyout coming their way, but that's not going to be all season. So think of it like 1. Jarret Allen 2. Larry Nance, those are your good starters, then you have taurean prince who's a rotation forward, garland who's a scorer but not a net positive player, okoro who's a good defender but also not a net positive player, a couple okay backup guards in dean wade and dotson. This team is not going to win poo poo. Draft bpa who isn't a scoring combo who doesn't pass and let it ride. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jul 7, 2021 |
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Metapod posted:Personally I like it when my team is good enough to win games
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morestuff posted:I just found out about Chet Holmgren, him and Wembanyama going first in back-to-back drafts would be very funny I am still reeling from coming to the conclusion that chet is actually good
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Dejan Bimble posted:he can almost somersault with a live dribble would this be a legal basketball move
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TheGreyGhost posted:I keep finding ways in 2k to create hilarious teams with the Thunder picks that have those two at the 4 and 5 just murdering dudes. You can put some incredibly mediocre guys 1-3 if your two 7 footers can hit 3s, block, and run. Poku at the three, call them the Triplet Towers
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indigi posted:would this be a legal basketball move Lobbying you could get the somersault with the live dribble as you gather step on your way to the basket
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I'd take him over Cade in this draft and Chet next year. Best prospect in the world IMO.
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Anything to suggest either of these 2 unicorns will break apart? Sub 200 lbs is scary to me. Enticing for drat sure though. I'd still take Cade, only for that reason though.
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So who's the obvious dud in this year's lotto?
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morestuff posted:So who's the obvious dud in this year's lotto? That's the beauty of this draft everyone in the lottery seems to have something that could be awesome and something that looks absolutely crippling
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