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Asgerd posted:
Guess this is what the druid's mystery was
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Sanguinia posted:I always imagined this was an Obi Wan who listened to Dooku on Genosis and was tempted into becoming his apprentice, and in this timeline Dooku is the Emperor because they killed Palpatine and Anakin nerd.
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Feb 1, 2021 12:27
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So I was reminded yesterday about how Obi-wan told Duchess Satine in the Clone Wars that if she'd asked him he would have left the Jedi Order to be with her. Mandalorian Obi-Wan Timeline When?
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Feb 10, 2021 17:51
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alternate timeline where Qui Gonn has an extra twenty bucks on him and can spring Shmi
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Feb 12, 2021 20:32
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indigi posted:alternate timeline where Qui Gonn has an extra twenty bucks on him and can spring Shmi Kinda wish this section of the movie in particular better pointed out how Qui Gon, a space ranger with unlimited authority to do whatever the gently caress he feels like, 1) Decides slavery is cool and good if he doesn't have the spacebucks to end it, 2) But will engage in a convoluted scheme to risk a child's life on a bet if there is a shot they could be a no-account space ranger like him. The story goes a lot differently if Qui Gon decides that slavery is violence.
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Feb 12, 2021 20:41
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The book Master & Apprentice actually tries to justify this, but just ends up having him decide that if he can't end all slavery, it's not worth trying to end any slavery.
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Feb 12, 2021 20:59
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who gives a gently caress about ending slavery, how about just saving this important kid's mom so he doesn't have Problems
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Feb 12, 2021 21:08
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Kinda wish this section of the movie in particular better pointed out how Qui Gon, a space ranger with unlimited authority to do whatever the gently caress he feels like, Qui-Gon is already some fringe fundamentalist within the Jedi, he's only interested in Anakin because he believes he's the chosen one in a prophecy no one else takes seriously.
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Feb 12, 2021 21:38
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There is a certain theoretical wisdom in the idea that since they have a planetary head of state in their care and are avoiding the assassins of an interstellar criminal cartel by hiding in the territory of ANOTHER interstellar criminal cartel and billions of lives are in the balance because they're trying to stop a planetary invasion and military occupation, avoiding notice by not doing any John Brown raids is the right call.
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Feb 12, 2021 23:19
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Sanguinia posted:There is a certain theoretical wisdom in the idea that since they have a planetary head of state in their care and are avoiding the assassins of an interstellar criminal cartel by hiding in the territory of ANOTHER interstellar criminal cartel and billions of lives are in the balance because they're trying to stop a planetary invasion and military occupation, avoiding notice by not doing any John Brown raids is the right call. you don't have to do a John Brown raid, just conk Wattoo on the head with a pan and tie him up when you leave town. they wound up having to do a fighting retreat anyway
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Feb 12, 2021 23:39
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IIRC it's mentioned that Tatooine slaves have an implant inside them that blows their heads off if they try to pull a runner. Anakin's is permanently deactivated when he's given to Qui-Gon. That said, yeah, just hold a lightsaber to Watto's goolies til he signs them over then make a run for it. But then you don't have the space chariot race sequence.
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Feb 13, 2021 05:04
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So... Could that ever just be turned back on? That seems like a liability that a dark lord of the sith wouldn't want
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Feb 15, 2021 02:30
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I recall the novelisation specifically saying it had been permanently deactivated and would be removed surgically later.
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Feb 15, 2021 10:31
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Sanguinia posted:There is a certain theoretical wisdom in the idea that since they have a planetary head of state in their care and are avoiding the assassins of an interstellar criminal cartel by hiding in the territory of ANOTHER interstellar criminal cartel and billions of lives are in the balance because they're trying to stop a planetary invasion and military occupation, avoiding notice by not doing any John Brown raids is the right call. Sure sure but it's pretty cold of not only Obi-Wan but the entire Jedi Order to just leave it at that. Maybe send a pair of undercover negotiators to try and seek the release of the slaves on Tatooine by agreement or by the sword?
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Feb 15, 2021 11:55
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The Jedi Order as presented in the prequels are the enforcers of the Status Quo. Whatever ideology they have is secondary to maintaining the republic and by extension themselves. There is an alternate timeline where Anakin and others like him do get put on the council and corrupts the order to his whim instead of needing to eliminate it.
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Feb 15, 2021 14:49
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He already uses the force to cheat Watto, why not just loving rob the guy?Sanguinia posted:So I was reminded yesterday about how Obi-wan told Duchess Satine in the Clone Wars that if she'd asked him he would have left the Jedi Order to be with her. Mandalorian Obi-Wan Timeline When? At the very least it would have been good of Obi-Wan and Satine to acknowledge that Satine's "nephew" was actually their bastard son before he died off-camera.
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Feb 20, 2021 20:40
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Defiance Industries posted:He already uses the force to cheat Watto, why not just loving rob the guy? It seems pretty clear that they think Watto's property rights are good and right, they just think that Anakin being inside the Jedi order is more important than those rights in this narrow instance. Jedi were consciously modeled after sheriffs from golden age westerns and just like those sheriffs, they look really loving amoral if you are even a little rigorous.
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Feb 20, 2021 20:47
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Defiance Industries posted:He already uses the force to cheat Watto, why not just loving rob the guy? if Watto thinks he lost the dice gamble fairly he is less likely to cause trouble than if he knows he's been straight up robbed. they are on the run and want to get off Tattooine without attracting attention. so no robberies, no revolutions to overthrow slavery, and stay out of the limelight at the pod-racing
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Feb 21, 2021 10:41
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It's kinda odd though since it's not like the Trade Federation is actively hunting them like say, the Empire in ANH. Darth Maul comes after them eventually, but that's not til they're right about to leave.
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Feb 21, 2021 17:26
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They are though, or at least should be expected to be? The trade federations whole thing was to kidnap the queen to sign the treaties. The jedis want to get her to Corsucant where she'll be safe; everywhere else, especially some mob-run backwater, they're vulnerable to agents of the trade federation. Quickly and quietly is their MO on Tattooine.
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Feb 21, 2021 18:18
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I suppose, just might have helped to have say, some bounty hunters after them, or Darth Maul stalking them more ongoing than just before they leave? vvvv: I know, but I find it interesting anyway. Sometimes I feel the best way to learn about how to make better works is to examine ones that went wrong, and see where the problems lie. Also seems like they'd have a hard time keeping too low a profile, since they landed in a literally completely chromed luxury spaceship and stand out on Tatooine. The novelisation iirc has Anakin note Qui-Gon isn't a local farmer, his hands are way too smooth. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Feb 22, 2021 05:08
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Looking for ways to make episode one a better movie is a fools errand, as you can spend every moment of the rest of your life coming up with another one. Yes, it could have been handled better, but they are explicitly trying not to draw any attention to themselves / the queen.
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Feb 22, 2021 05:28
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Also seems like they'd have a hard time keeping too low a profile, since they landed in a literally completely chromed luxury spaceship and stand out on Tatooine. isn't that why they landed the ship outside of town, rather than touching down in the spaceport?
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Feb 22, 2021 08:29
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yeah but out of towners rummaging around the market looking for a high end hyperdrive engine then making a very high stakes wager with a local medium-shot is gonna draw a bunch of attention anyway
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Feb 22, 2021 20:54
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Also seems like they'd have a hard time keeping too low a profile, since they landed in a literally completely chromed luxury spaceship and stand out on Tatooine. From a distance, I could see this completely blending in with the sand dune behind it: 
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Feb 22, 2021 22:33
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Robot Style posted:Ironically, the fact that it was completely chromed made the model very hard to film, since it just reflected whatever environment it was in and became invisible. Pretty clever actually, I'll bet the Defense Department has taken notes.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:51
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Well, that sure showed me. Also, lol.
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Bumping because a discussion came up in prequeldome: an obvious source of Star Wars counterfactuals is the Clone Wars. Since Palpatine obviously set them up so that no matter the outcome, he'd come ahead, because he's the open ruler of one side and the shadow ruler of the other, what happens if the war favours the Separatists? Very likely that the liquidation of the leadership like in the end of RotS goes ahead pretty similarly.
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Crossposting from the prequeldome threadGhost Leviathan posted:I think a big theme of the prequels is that the Trade Federation are ultimately incompetent, greedy, paranoid bullies who mostly get by with attacking nearly defenceless people with remote-controlled and expendable soldiers- a big reason why all the droids are remote controlled is because they're more worried about them being subverted or acting independently than they are about getting literally any meaningful resistance. They're basically build-your-own Pinkertons, who come by the rack, and the individual droids are mostly there to do what can't be done with the tanks. There's also the Droidekas for dealing with actual armed resistance, being more intimidating and expensive. (funny thing is apparently the battle droids are said to look like the Neimodian version of rigor mortis, basically making them an alien take on skull/skeleton soldiers) We're shown the leaders as bumbling greedy cowards being pushed around by the dark wizards they've made a deal with, being easy and expendable pawns. reignofevil posted:This would be a great discussion for our alt history in star wars thread! One thing I like about alt history is typically you try to pick a single point of divergence and kind of have the speculation flow from there, the spot I think is likeliest where the confederate systems could have accidentally won the war would be the opening sequence of Revenge of the Sith, when they had captured Palpatine. I'm fairly certain that General Grievous isn't necessarily aware that he's actually got his boss as a hostage and over the course of that fight there were several points where Palpatine could have just outright died.
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The easiest solution for that is for Palpatine to have a plan for that exact contingency in advance. Given the nature of the Sith he'd dang well better have a lot of contingency plans for his apprentices/potential apprentices trying to assassinate him. Presumably there's some sort of line of succession that would put a temporary Supreme Chancellor up until the Senate could vote on it. So he puts some force persuasion on that guy to immediately implement order 66 in the event of Palp's confirmed death. This accomplishes several objectives. Obviously it removes the Jedi as a threat against him, but it also totally paralyses the Republic because they just lost their most experienced military commanders, whatever troops they managed to take down with them on the way out, and could easily create a second civil war because whoever that guy is, he has nowhere near Palp's clout to get away with it and no explanation for why he did it. Now with the galaxy in total chaos he can try to put his thumb on the scale wherever he likes.
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I always sort of assumed Sheev didn't expect to make progress as quickly as he did on the republic side of things, but as much as he was a duplicitous plotter only the republic offered him a path for total galactic control so thats the side he always wanted to win as long as he was in the game on that end. Would he have accepted ruling some rump state if the separatists pulled it off (or more pressingly the Trade Federation had military training slightly better than "petro state failson")? Absolutely but the republic was a much easier thing to mold into a galaxy spanning empire than a bunch of disparate worlds looking to dodge taxes. Like I think a very real EU is he doesn't win the primary race to oppose Valorum and then nudges the separatists to victory by gumming up the republic and canceling the clone army. Barudak fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Mar 7, 2021 17:13
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Something something, Palpatine's death inevitably ending up with Supreme Chancellor Jar-Jar.
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If the separatists succeeded, Palpatine would just rule openly as Darth Sidious perhaps after faking Palpatine's death. All of the separatists are loyal to/afraid of Sidious.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:If the separatists succeeded, Palpatine would just rule openly as Darth Sidious perhaps after faking Palpatine's death. All of the separatists are loyal to/afraid of Sidious. i'm pretty sure that's just the leadership. the rank and file of the CIS (inasmuch as there is one at all outside the droids) basically went on to be half of the rebel alliance later so i don't think there's any loyalty to the sith there. if you go by the plagueis novel then the sith have basically spent at least the last few hundred years as kingmakers in the financial industry, which is why sidious ends up able to unite the megacorps into a secretly-sith-aligned faction, but nobody is really aware of the sith nature of the weird rituals the ultra-wealthy sometimes do at parties until ol' sheevy p reveals it to them.
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Jazerus posted:i'm pretty sure that's just the leadership. the rank and file of the CIS (inasmuch as there is one at all outside the droids) basically went on to be half of the rebel alliance later so i don't think there's any loyalty to the sith there. If every place in Star Wars consists of one type of location spread out over a whole world then I want to visit Bohemian Grove Planet.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:If every place in Star Wars consists of one type of location spread out over a whole world then I want to visit Bohemian Grove Planet. We've already seen Burning Man Planet, it doesn't seem a big stretch Actually a Seperatists Win timeline seems potentially buck wild, instead of the Space British Empire where capital is subservient to power, you get a cyberpunk hellscape ruled by megacorp cartels and nobles (especially if Count Dooku survives in this version, though dunno how much longer he might be allowed to. Hell, maybe he gets one over on Palpatine, and there's another timeline) backed up by droid enforcers and superweapons. The Republic Army in the prequels and Clone Wars in particular is played up as eventually inevitably evolving into the Empire, so that raises the questions of what victorious Seperatists might turn into. Actually given the factitious nature of the Seperatists it's entirely possible that they end up immediately descending into their own nasty civil corporate war.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Actually given the factitious nature of the Seperatists it's entirely possible that they end up immediately descending into their own nasty civil corporate war. lol yeah Farmer Crack-rear end posted:though either way, a multi-polar Star Wars galaxy is, uh, probably going to result in a lot more star wars lol
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Jul 9, 2021 05:29
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Now picturing a Star Wars version of Sengoku era Japan, or maybe more likely warlord era post-Qing China.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Now picturing a Star Wars version of Sengoku era Japan, or maybe more likely warlord era post-Qing China. That’s definitely enough Star Wars to tire you out
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Yeah, but picture Oda Nobunaga with a lightsaber... actually p sure that's already a thing, but still!
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