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Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

IN THE GRIM BARKNESS
OF THE FUTURE
THERE ARE ONLY DOGS



Nap Ghost

It's been a while (at least fifteen years) since I last saw the 1998 film Pleasantville starring Reese Witherspoon and Tobey Maguire. From what I remember, Tobey and Reese are brother and sister. Reese is a rebel who ruins everything while Tobey is a good boy who loves the fictional 1950's TV show Pleasantville, a Leave it to Beaver style sitcom set in the titular idyllic town.

Tobey and Reese get into a fight over the TV remote on the eve of the Pleasantville marathon. The remote breaks and it now there's no way to turn on the TV! Luckily along comes Don Knotts, a TV repairman who gives Tobey a new remote that is very strange looking.

Reese and Tobey fight over this remote, too and are zapped into the Pleasantville TV show where everything is black and white and everyone is... well... pleasant.

But Reese's rebellious attitude soon sends a wave of discontent through the idyllic town. Everyplace touched by her rebelliousness goes from black and white to color and by the end of the film the entire town is in color!

Everyone learns a lessons about being yourself and it's okay not to be perfect.

So anyway I have some questions.

At the end of the film, Pleasantville, once a spacetime loop no-one could ever leave, is now connected to a larger world. We see a bus with a label for a city in the real world. Is Pleasantville now connected to the real world, or has the pocket dimension that once held Pleasantville just expanded?

Reese Witherspoon ops to stay in Pleasantville because she's been accepted into college and she has a future there, while Tobey returns home by way of the magic remote. How will Tobey explain the disappearance of his sister to his parents? If Reese can get into college in the Pleasantverse why can't she get into college in the real world? Will her Pleasantville degree be valid in the real world?

What happened to the original brother and sister whose identities Toby and Reese assumed upon entering Pleasantville? Were those people destroyed?

Can people still watch Pleasantville on TV? Are all the episodes in color now? If not, then are there an infinite number of other Pleasantvilles still trapped in black and white?

And what about Don Knotts? Midway through the movie, Knotts confronts Tobey for "ruining the show" and orders him to put it back the way it was. Yet, at the end of the film when the town has become realistic, he smiles and nods knowingly as if everything turned out as planned. Was he just faking to test the kids' resolve earlier? And who is he? Some mysterious guardian angel sent to save the people of Pleasantville trapped in the pocket dimension? Did he create Pleasantville? Or is he a deceiver, a devil figure whose goal was to destroy somebody's private Heaven?

I hope we get to see a Pleasantville sequel or an expanded universe novel that addresses these burning questions that have haunted me these past two decades.

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PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.


Pleasantville is the story of Paradise Lost.

2 bratty 90s kids come and gently caress up a good thing.

Call Your Grandma
Jan 17, 2010



the bus was a metaphor for tobey's newfound courage

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007


what sort of loving loser is obsessed with leave it to beaver as a teenager in the 90's?

sure okay
Apr 7, 2006





College Slice

Applewhite posted:

It's been a while (at least fifteen years) since I last saw the 1998 film Pleasantville starring Reese Witherspoon and Tobey Maguire. From what I remember, Tobey and Reese are brother and sister. Reese is a rebel who ruins everything while Tobey is a good boy who loves the fictional 1950's TV show Pleasantville, a Leave it to Beaver style sitcom set in the titular idyllic town.

Tobey and Reese get into a fight over the TV remote on the eve of the Pleasantville marathon. The remote breaks and it now there's no way to turn on the TV! Luckily along comes Don Knotts, a TV repairman who gives Tobey a new remote that is very strange looking.

Reese and Tobey fight over this remote, too and are zapped into the Pleasantville TV show where everything is black and white and everyone is... well... pleasant.

But Reese's rebellious attitude soon sends a wave of discontent through the idyllic town. Everyplace touched by her rebelliousness goes from black and white to color and by the end of the film the entire town is in color!

Everyone learns a lessons about being yourself and it's okay not to be perfect.

So anyway I have some questions.

At the end of the film, Pleasantville, once a spacetime loop no-one could ever leave, is now connected to a larger world. We see a bus with a label for a city in the real world. Is Pleasantville now connected to the real world, or has the pocket dimension that once held Pleasantville just expanded?

Reese Witherspoon ops to stay in Pleasantville because she's been accepted into college and she has a future there, while Tobey returns home by way of the magic remote. How will Tobey explain the disappearance of his sister to his parents? If Reese can get into college in the Pleasantverse why can't she get into college in the real world? Will her Pleasantville degree be valid in the real world?

What happened to the original brother and sister whose identities Toby and Reese assumed upon entering Pleasantville? Were those people destroyed?

Can people still watch Pleasantville on TV? Are all the episodes in color now? If not, then are there an infinite number of other Pleasantvilles still trapped in black and white?

And what about Don Knotts? Midway through the movie, Knotts confronts Tobey for "ruining the show" and orders him to put it back the way it was. Yet, at the end of the film when the town has become realistic, he smiles and nods knowingly as if everything turned out as planned. Was he just faking to test the kids' resolve earlier? And who is he? Some mysterious guardian angel sent to save the people of Pleasantville trapped in the pocket dimension? Did he create Pleasantville? Or is he a deceiver, a devil figure whose goal was to destroy somebody's private Heaven?

I hope we get to see a Pleasantville sequel or an expanded universe novel that addresses these burning questions that have haunted me these past two decades.

- The dimension neither expanded, nor is it suddenly connected to the "real world." Their world is no more or less "real" than the present-day world Tobey+Reese came from. Labeling one as lesser/greater than the other is reductive. Literally all that happened is the people decided to build a road, because now they want to broaden themselves. I'm sure there are other towns out there that have always existed. Not knowing about something doesn't magically mean it never existed. That's part of the old Pleasantville head-in-the-sand philosophy.

- He'll just say she ran away. They weren't good parents, and it's not like their searching will yield anything?

- Yeah they were destroyed. Really no other way to look at it. RIP

- The show is exactly the same on TV. Like all recorded media, it's a record of what was. What, do you think like the data of every copy of every episode on every computer just changes simultaneously all over the universe?

- Don got bored watching the pre-recorded TV show and has been calling his alternate dimension the "show" for some time. To him, this dimension IS the show (it's not. The entire movie is about proving these people are their own people with their own motivations). I think he got a little scared his secret dimension would go up in smoke because the kids were changing things too quickly, but he saw that it worked out in the end. Ultimately, his approval at the end signifies to us that he values the chaotic beauty of the new independent reality over the controlled, yet stifling harmony represented in the traditional show.

Who he is is up to pure speculation. We are given no information. He strikes me more of a gatekeeper than anything. A passive observer. It's obvious he had little power over the situation when he confronted Tobey. My guess is he stumbled upon access to this dimension long ago, or it was given to him by the true creator.

- Dear god please no sequel. It said everything it had to say!

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

In the cheery brightness of the 41st millennium there is only CHRISTMAS SPIRIT!


gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

what sort of loving loser is obsessed with leave it to beaver as a teenager in the 90's?

Toby McGuire

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

In the cheery brightness of the 41st millennium there is only CHRISTMAS SPIRIT!


Also Don Knott's was obviously a capricious but only mildly malicious higher dimensional being ala the likes of Mister Mxyzptlk, just as he is in real life.

Flunky
Jan 1, 2014



how many times did the mom jack off in a row after learning about it from her daughter do you think

sorry OP i don't remember anything else about the movie aside from what you already mentioned

Pawn 17
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.







It was all a dream Tobey was having. Which is a little weird bc he dreamt about his TV mom masturbating in the tub.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

IN THE GRIM BARKNESS
OF THE FUTURE
THERE ARE ONLY DOGS



Nap Ghost

sure okay posted:

- The dimension neither expanded, nor is it suddenly connected to the "real world." Their world is no more or less "real" than the present-day world Tobey+Reese came from. Labeling one as lesser/greater than the other is reductive. Literally all that happened is the people decided to build a road, because now they want to broaden themselves. I'm sure there are other towns out there that have always existed. Not knowing about something doesn't magically mean it never existed. That's part of the old Pleasantville head-in-the-sand philosophy.

Whence Pleasantville's food and other consumer goods if they were never connected to the rest of their world? Did the rest of the Pleasantverse know of the existence of Pleasantville and just never contacted them? Was the rest of the universe also in black and white until Tobey and Reese arrived? I'm somewhat dubious that Pleasantville managed to maintain its isolation so long if the world was always so big.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

IN THE GRIM BARKNESS
OF THE FUTURE
THERE ARE ONLY DOGS



Nap Ghost

Pawn 17 posted:

It was all a dream Tobey was having. Which is a little weird bc he dreamt about his TV mom masturbating in the tub.

It was a psychotic break caused by the accidental murder of his sister during the fight over the remote.

ScRoTo TuRbOtUrD
Jan 21, 2007



i too have busted a nut so hard that it turned me technicolor

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005



pleasantville became cumtown

Nefarious 2.0
Apr 22, 2008

Offense is overrated anyway.



you guys seen spidermin 2? it's so good

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
YES I POSTED THAT JUST FOR ATTENTION

NO THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME LESS OF A SHITHEAD

JUST IGNORE ME JESUS CHRIST

I AM NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE OF ENGAGING WITH ME


Nap Ghost

I've never seen this film, but as a child I assumed it was a horror film.

Halloween Liker
Oct 31, 2020



Pleasantville answers the age old question "What if a movie was black and white?"

itry
Aug 23, 2019






Pleasantville is Silent Hill

Nefarious 2.0
Apr 22, 2008

Offense is overrated anyway.



do women get their period in pleasantville

britishbornandbread
Jul 8, 2000

You'll stumble in my footsteps


I havenít seen it in about 20 years but I remember liking Pleasantville. I wonder if it has aged well.

Ralph Crammed In
May 11, 2007

Let's get clean and smart



I saw Pleasantville like four times when it came out, not because I like a lot but because the people I was with wanted to see it independently of each other. OP is correct, it raises many questions. Also who does the Mom end up with, her husband or the soda jerk guy? Both?

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013




I've never seen it and don't want to, ever.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

IN THE GRIM BARKNESS
OF THE FUTURE
THERE ARE ONLY DOGS



Nap Ghost

Nefarious 2.0 posted:

do women get their period in pleasantville

They do now and itís in vivid technicolor

Stick Figure Mafia
Dec 11, 2004



If a tree is on fire it means someoneís mom is masturbating

china bot
Sep 7, 2014

you listen HERE pal
SAY GOODBYE TO TELEPHONE SEX


Plaster Town Cop

Stick Figure Mafia posted:

If a tree is on fire it means someoneís mom is masturbating

the porn industry is headquartered in California...

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

IN THE GRIM BARKNESS
OF THE FUTURE
THERE ARE ONLY DOGS



Nap Ghost

Pick posted:

I've never seen this film, but as a child I assumed it was a horror film.

poo poo that might have been cool.

Nefarious 2.0
Apr 22, 2008

Offense is overrated anyway.



no one ever went to the bathroom in old black and white shows which means there's no toilets in pleasantville so what happens when tomy maguire has to push a stinky?

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

IN THE GRIM BARKNESS
OF THE FUTURE
THERE ARE ONLY DOGS



Nap Ghost

Nefarious 2.0 posted:

no one ever went to the bathroom in old black and white shows which means there's no toilets in pleasantville so what happens when tomy maguire has to push a stinky?

He poops on the floor in one of the closets.

crazy eyes mustafa
Nov 29, 2014


Forget it jake. Itís pleasantville

china bot
Sep 7, 2014

you listen HERE pal
SAY GOODBYE TO TELEPHONE SEX


Plaster Town Cop

Nefarious 2.0 posted:

no one ever went to the bathroom in old black and white shows which means there's no toilets in pleasantville so what happens when tomy maguire has to push a stinky?

this is how brown was invented

meat glitter
Nov 12, 2019




i always wondered a) why didnt the doctor seem to give a gently caress he was examining the kid with a pink mouth like "oh it's probably fine" if my tongue suddenly turned greyscale i certainly would be a great deal more upset about it also why is there even a doctor? do people in pleasantville get sick? do people in pleasantville die?? did tobey and reese bring the concept of sickness and death unto pleasantville??? and b) i can't remember what else i was wondering im stuck on tobey and reese being 2 out of 4 horsemen of the apocalypse for this town

Tip
Mar 21, 2006

Your move, creep.



Applewhite posted:

poo poo that might have been cool.

I recently rewatched Stay Tuned, which is like the horror comedy version of it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0SfBkWrjLLk

BigBadSteve
Apr 29, 2009

Self Defense
Nil Satanus carborundum

Yeshua akbar!
(Xtian anarchisto, no bombo)


Pleasantville, more like Shitville, amiright.


Edit: Actually I haven't seen it so don't mind my poo poo review.

And since Applewhite bothered to make a post about it, I bet there's some great ASSES in it. 4 stars.

BigBadSteve fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jan 15, 2021

Dr. Gojo Shioji
Apr 22, 2004



Nefarious 2.0 posted:

no one ever went to the bathroom in old black and white shows which means there's no toilets in pleasantville so what happens when tomy maguire has to push a stinky?

They show a bathroom with nothing in it early in the movie, and Toby just shrugs upon seeing it. Maybe people don't actually have to use the bathroom in Pleasantville? Was there a toilet in the bathroom when Joan Allen was jilling in the bathtub?

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

3 olives has a payment plan with his phone company for his cell phone


i thought that was 3

Chrs
Sep 21, 2015



Peasantville

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!


Church Youth Groups used this move back in the day to teach morals and peer pressure. See the Jezebel, with her loose ways, comes in showing people there's more to life and really screwing up how "happy" everyone was.

a few DRUNK BONERS
Mar 25, 2016



Wait doesn't this have something to do with superman

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

Switches Set


I like it when Delphine from Skyrim gets off in her bathtub

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad


The Great Twist

Just imagining a daughter teaching her mom to masturbate is so absurd. I'm surprised that hasn't become a popular scenario in all the recent incest porn.

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Prof. Crocodile
Jun 27, 2020



Imagine being so good at sex that your vag transforms the fundamental reality of anyone who touches it, creates previously nonexistent colors and emotions, and eventually collapses two dimensions into one another.

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