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Abner Assington posted:MTG saw the bill was 14 pages and was deeply disappointed when it wasn't one word per page. AOC should never, under any circumstances "debate" with this woman. In fact this quick attempted dunk from MTG neatly illustrates the problem with this 'debate' shtick the right wing big brains like to do. You cannot "debate" the GND. It is not a point of stasis and acting like you're going to magic one up after you give it a hearty think is stupid. You can (try) to argue that climate change isn't real. You can (try to) argue that science isn't real. You can argue it isn't feasible, in general, based on specific examples, and then argue for feasibility, but if you don't argue those first points you can't just dismiss it. And I know she would say she doesn't believe in climate change because MTG isn't playing with a full deck but that's besides the point. You don't debate *waves wingers* thiinngggggs. You debate specific ideas. Should we or shouldn't we. This or that.
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InsertPotPun posted:gently caress biden blah blah but he honestly seems to think of being president as a burden, as something unpleasant someone has to do and it might as well be him. This is one of the curses of the left. We actually care about policy and are constantly pushing left. This is because society is really resistant to anything good. On the right the president can smear a piece of toilet paper with something something 2nd amendment and they go into tears over it. I don't think we're at fault for holding our politicians under a microscope but it can't be fun.
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Apr 30, 2021 00:44
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Piell posted:I think my favorite dumb thing about NFTs is that they can just be a link to a website that neither you or the person selling it to you own, meaning that whoever actually owns the website can change the resulting image to anything they want or just delete it and there's nothing you can do about it But enough about Star Citizen.
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Apr 30, 2021 18:11
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the_steve posted:To be fair, most conservatives don't know what words mean. It's more than that. Republicans managed to fold "capitalism" and "pariotism" together years ago, such so that critical examination of American history is now considered some bizarre species of intellectual Marxism and criticism of major US companies is now somehow considered unpatriotic. However, "patriotism" has become "naked nationalism" such so that being *merely* grovellingly patriotic isn't enough. If you aren't on board for the America first racism parade you are also a de facto communist. Idk whether Republicans like MTG know what words mean but I suspect they do. They aren't intellectual giants or anything but they do exist in a world where the only strategy is to attack and work backwards from a place of assumed victory, which they are well aware is not conducive to intellectual rigor. The New Right has discovered the new phrases that activate their voters with near zeal. Anything less than full nationalistic aggression is weak and does not move the base as much anymore. What the right learned from Trump is that there are no moderate Republicans. Their "moderates" will happily vote in lock step with their radicals, while the reverse is not true. I hope the Dems figure that out eventually.
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May 2, 2021 01:28
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Assuming anyone is posting in earnest about chaining up Republicans and throwing them into pits: This kind of thinking is revolutionary; it's black&white, and makes it easier to dehumanize your enemies, which makes sense if you anticipate having to fight an honest to goodness war with them. But it's reductivist and bad. Once you accept that even stupid Americans are still Americans you have to start doing hard nuanced work, like figuring out where programming begins or where ignorance ends. You have to ask hard questions like, can this be solved with education? With messaging? Can we fight our enemies in the battleground of ideas? Why are some people essentially unreachable and what makes them that way? At what point in their life did they get like that, etc. Violence fantasies are disgusting, of course, but they are also dull and unhelpful. We aren't going to be fighting a civil war any time soon. We need to figure out what to actually do with these people.
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May 7, 2021 00:33
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Vasukhani posted:Are you serious? Did you just wake up after a ten-year slumber? There is no reasoning. They recognize this as an existential war and are willing to say basically anything to help themselves. The truth doesnt matter for them. Yes, I'm aware that is an accurate description of the situation right now. If we ever win the existential war against conservatives - if we ever arrive a point where people of color aren't fighting for their lives against the police, where trans people aren't being actively attacked, where labor is respected enough to at least make a livable wage - we have to figure out what to do with the conservative element. And "they're unreachable, gently caress 'em" is an unacceptable answer. I'm not saying negotiate with them, or give them what they want, or take their delusions seriously, but we need a real answer, and "throw them in a pit" ain't it.
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May 7, 2021 00:43
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Josef bugman posted:Can we apply that more widely and perhaps to humans in general, then demand that our governments treat people in foreign countries as people? As opposed to simply governmental drones or crazed lunatics? Because it seems as if, for a lot of people, the notion of humanity ends where the governmental border does. Both valid points obviously. Any conclusion that ends with "we must ignore or kill them" is just demonstrably wrong is the only point I was making.
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May 7, 2021 09:43
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I work in an industry that hires at minimum wage and its just hilarious and sad how the managers complain that we just can't help but hire on a rubric. Like yes, just offer more. Nothing actually requires you to follow a rubric except beaurocracy.
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May 9, 2021 01:33
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Has anyone ever been successfully canceled? Because from what I can tell canceled people are still around and free to do whatever they want. Canceling generally only works when people would have been politically aligned with the target were it not for whatever news has come to light. People on the left can successfully cancel people on the left for not being left enough, since those are the people who would have been consuming the targets product or message. Likewise, you can cancel someone with seemingly no political message (comedians, actors) but it's less effective because the only consumers they shed are the people who care. The notion that anyone on the left can "cancel" anyone on the right is therefore laughable.
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May 11, 2021 16:46
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eviltastic posted:Yeah my reaction is surprise that this would change much behavior, since they've already ditched the masks anyway. From a few pages back but, unfortunately, you're wrong. Maybe in deep red states. I live and work in Seattle. My state is weird and while it reliably votes blue it has a very deeply entrenched, very chuddy element. I work in retail. In the months following partial re-opens we had to chase people down for not wearing masks. Those were some of the worst weeks of my life. People would come in with no mask AND a gun on their hip (guess what? WA is an open-carry state! Wheee!). I had some terrible arguments with people during that time. And they got over it. I maybe fight with like one person a week about masks now, which is much less of a big deal, and I can count the number of times I've had to call security since November on one hand. Many of these people learned to play along. I know it's a common belief that people are either stupid chuds or not but many of them are normal-seeming people that can blend in, and many of them have. They wear the mask, they hate it, they let it slip under their nose or whatever but they do it so they can keep shopping without hassle. They will absolutely lie about it. Every time there's a new wedge, they will apply it, because it feels like victory for them. It will be cathartic to feel like they can do something to *me* now that I can't do anything about it.
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May 13, 2021 21:38
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eviltastic posted:Red states are specifically where I was talking about, but even limited to that extent I'm ready to withdraw the point as I'm not having much luck finding non-anecdotal evidence of mask compliance by region beyond where mask mandates exist or have expired. Apologies all around, I thought you were making a broad categorization about anti mask people. To be clear I'm sure there are businesses all over the country that looked the other way. Because not only do you need to be personally invested in proper masking behavior to enforce it, you also need to feel like you can enforce it. Like, I have a major company supporting my position on masking, I am a major proponent of masking, and even I hesitate. A person hit me over an anti masking sentiment. They didn't do any real damage and were almost certainly suffering from a mental health or substance abuse problem, but there it is. And the cops showed up an hour later. Asking Joe at Stop and Shop to try to enforce a compliance issue that has become an increasingly violent and aggressive issue is kind of loving stupid. At the very least cities should have hired unarmed mask enforcement officers to handle it but instead it's the job of somebody whose livelihood - already imperiled by Covid - is on the line.
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May 13, 2021 23:12
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TulliusCicero posted:30-35% is not better than half of the US population I agree it's important to be accurate and avoid hyperbole but this sounds like the punchline to a joke. "Don't be absurd! Half of US citizens are not crazy!" "You're right. It's closer to one in four, one in three, tops."
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May 14, 2021 15:52
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Kulkasha posted:Wouldn't it be extremely bad for Republicans if they actually gutted Roe v. Wade? The entire evangelical wing of the party is motivated almost exclusively by abortion, so if they 'win', why would they be motivated to support other ghoul poo poo that the oligarch wing of the party wants? No because remember that their target audience is extremely poorly informed. This would effectively overturn Roe but I suspect defacto bans won't actually pass most states (but probably disappointingly many). You'll hear some battle not the war nonsense and they'll just keep right on trucking. Redhats do not understand "effective" legaleslative measures.
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May 17, 2021 15:28
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Grouchio posted:What a world, what a world If he had then allowed the person to ask a question as a kind of apology, quite a lot! But nah it's just classic Biden.
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May 18, 2021 22:55
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Rea posted:Saw some takes from national pundits today that made me raise my eyebrows and which I want to get other opinions on. I think one of the important parts of the crime conversation that gets missed in these kinds of circles is that progressives don't or at least shouldn't address crime, even violent crime, with more policing. Progressives address crime by addressing poverty, addiction, mental health issues and income disparity. Like tbh I live in Seattle and absolutely believe 'violent crime' is up because I've technically been assaulted three times in the span of a month; but none of them were serious altercations worth pressing charges over and all three were with decidedly at-risk people where the solution is to find them a home or a doctor and not put them in jail. 'Liberals need to deal with crime!' is a false setup designed to make the left play the same game the right does, e.g., come up with criminal solutions for criminals. What it needs is to come up with better support for victims.
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May 23, 2021 21:19
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Seph posted:While addressing poverty is 100% the long-term solution to crime, it takes time for policy to take effect and start to have a positive impact on peoples' lives. The teenagers who are currently growing up in lovely households in poverty are not suddenly going to turn around because we improve funding to schools or reduce housing costs or whatever. The damage has already been done, and any improvements to poverty will mostly affect subsequent generations. Full disclosure, I have no data. So disregard my post as anecdotal, because it is, but I feel like this can't really be completely accurate. When we're talking about 'poverty reduction' it depends on what you mean. Jobs training programs and the like, foodstamps, really any kind of half measure, yeah, it's going to take a decade for that stuff to show up. However, at least some % of violent crime is going to be because of desperation, addiction, or mental health crisis. And a massive percentage of those problems are going to be mitigated by giving those people homes, something to eat, and something to do, immediately. It is fundamentally incorrect to assume all crime is commited by poor, homeless people with addiction or mental health issues - but you go for the low-hanging fruit first and it's shameful that we just leave people out of the system to drown anyway. It's win-win.
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Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think she's *that* crazy. She strikes me as Alex Jones 2.0. She has come to believe some of what she says but she is first and foremost an aspiring ringmaster, not a lion.
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May 25, 2021 18:32
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As a former masshole, MA is more "aggressively center-left" than it is progressive. I think I can charitably call the character of its liberals 'mixed'. You've got a well-established gay community that is getting on in age, so they tend to vote center on most economic stuff. You've got working-class blue collars that can go anywhere from extremely progressive to actively conservative with no real rhyme or reason about locality. And you've got your college educated elites all over that either vacate the state immediately or dig in, becoming hyper focused on single issues that affect them. I'd say the number of genuine socialists or leftists are about what you'd expect from any blue state really, it isn't exceptional in that way. Then you've got the eternal specter of 'why not vote in a Republican governor, we only judge politicians on their actual politics, *mannnnnnnn*.' TBH Massachusetts is extremely vulnerable to a weird upset from the right and I think it's a mistake to take it for granted. EDIT: Not the MTG party obviously, MA hates bullshit and can smell it from a mile away. But something more 'reasonable' sounding would absolutely eat the Dem's lunch there, and something like a focused, sane populist movement would be very dangerous. Mendrian fucked around with this message at 00:24 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 00:22
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Buffer posted:Trump is their leader. He is leading them. Right. And in a non fascist state having differing ideas under one umbrella party is actually good, not bad. A whole party should not move in lockstep on every issue, united parties are really bad for the longterm political health of a nation. The problem is not that the Dems are too disorganized, the problem is that the Dems are playing politics as usual and ignoring the existential threat to democracy the NuRepublicans represent.
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May 27, 2021 23:26
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Yeah, "If you don't let the factual exaggeration stand you must condone violence" is certainly a take. Being accurate isn't bad people, don't be so eager to defend a false assertion just because it's rhetorically convenient. Gun violence still bad, country still sick, no one claimed otherwise.
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May 30, 2021 16:20
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I mean if I'm a country in the Middle East, nuclear weapons sound pretty good diplomatically. No, they don't deter threats for the reasons some posters have pointed out; but they do deter deliberate destabilization. A rational stable government- even a generally evil one - won't deploy nukes from an informed tactical position, but an unstable one might. So, the US becomes less inclined to randomly destabilize your country for kicks and has to actually treat you like a real government instead of a like a paper tiger that can be pushed over by propaganda, economic assassination or local insurrection because those things invite chaos, and nuclear weapons are bad news in chaotic regimes. Which is why nobody should support more nukes in more countries, really.
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VitalSigns posted:I thought it was just something they came up with when the Romans said "oh in that case if we cut open a Christian the contents of his stomach will tell us whether your religion is real or fake" so they needed an explanation for why nothing can ever prove their magic trick is fake. I mean in the short term yeah. If you accept as true no matter what that some version of transubstantiation must be real your philosophy will grow either more complex as it matures or will regress into willful ignorance. While I don't believe it's true that wafers are also Christ because religion says so, I take some comfort in "It's complicated" when I talk to religious (Catholic) friends because it means somebody is thinking about it a little bit. "No, it is literally true, your lying eyes are the Devil's workshop" is much more terrifying to me.
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Jun 19, 2021 23:33
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If the left and the center could form a coalition for some important legislation that would be one thing. That would be the "you don't have to like your allies to work with them" situation. The issue is that in the US everyone always always expects the left to get in formation to defeat the Republicans, who are archfiends, on every loving issue. Nobody ever wants to entice the left; they are expected to get on board with every incremental policy because otherwise, Satan wins. I don't think there's a way out without breaking the left out of the Democrats, which is political suicide in the short term and possibly forever.
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Jun 20, 2021 01:28
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Technically, a bubble is a rapid escalation in price that isn't driven by a supply issue that will pop in a short period of time and deflate. Sure but what happens when the housing being built is only affordable by one class of people? There are three distinct problems I see arising from current housing crisis, but I'm not an economist so I'm happy to find out I'm wrong. One, it feels like you arrive at a situation where eventually you run out of residents that can afford the asking price, but the speculation continues to go crazy and domestic and foreign investors continue to snap up real estate and sell it to either the odd buyer or other speculators for exhorbinant prices. This is kind of happening already in places like Seattle. Two, eventually nobody who does any work can afford to live in a place whose only amenity is having lots of services nearby. This is hypothetical, because most people seem willing to commute, but traffic and urban pressures to expand will eventually drive service workers out of urban centers. That'll be interesting. Third, when my generation reaches retirement age we're going to be a massive drain because we mostly have no equity, can't afford to save and will be in terrible health.
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Jun 22, 2021 00:20
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Willa Rogers posted:Why would you be in terrible health under the ACA? As the focus-group-tested message says, now you have healthcare! "Now* you have** healthcare***!"
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Praise is like cash man, if I spend it all now I'll have none left. Also if I say a thing is a good how am I going to cash in all my smug "I was right" bonds three months from now?
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snorch posted:I don't get why so many people take that stuff personally. Like, I benefit from white privilege, but nobody's blaming me personally, or asking me to apologize for that. What's the deal? A lot of people live under the assumptions that they are a good person, that only bad people make mistakes, and that they aren't doing anything wrong. The idea of being othered in any way is terrifying for many deeply conservative whites but of course they don't present that. The outward manifestation of that is going to be anything from "It's not my fault" to "there is no problem actually" all the way to "those people deserve their lot in life." In other words any new information that suggests they aren't perfect faultless human beings is terrifying and they must either confront what they can do to make the world better or argue that the world is already fine.
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Jul 14, 2021 10:46
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I don't get Chick-fil-A honestly. I tried the one nearby years ago before I was keen to the bigotry and I came away not understanding the hype. Their food is bland and inoffensive at best. They're like the Subway of chicken.
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Jul 15, 2021 02:14
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Cornwind Evil posted:Makes me think. Failed revolutions rarely look competent in retrospect. Firstly Trump wanted to distance himself from the chuds for exactly the reasons you pointed out. He was wishy washy about his commitment to them and chose to literally watch it unfold from the television in the White House. Had he committed himself to their support things might have gone differently. Don't forget the plan was not a military junta as we know it. It was meant to be an armed, targeted movement against the Senate to either force a vote to instate Trump or create sufficient unrest to cast doubt on the election process, both of which it only marginally failed to do. The military was never going to call Trump president for life but that was never the plan; they wanted to disrupt the Senate vote. Imagine if they had killed enough Senators to shift margins. Would the Senate have caved if they were taken hostage? I honestly don't know. That wouldn't have magically made Trump president because of, you know, all the law breaking, but it would definately had made it possible. The real ongoing danger to democracy here is that even though this was nakedly the plan apparently it can just slide and nobody gets in serious trouble for it.
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SovCits make me laugh, well, for a lot of reasons. But mostly because they are so close to something approaching integrity but fall on their rear end trying. "I do not consent to your laws" is a pretty classic example of peaceful resistance throughout modern history, but is generally accompanied by an acknowledgement that you then must abide by the consequences of that e.g. arrest. Instead they think they are literally immune to law so way to gently caress up peaceful resistance idiots.
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Jul 20, 2021 16:08
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The billionaire status is the neauvo heaven, achievable by every man through good works and suffering. Once you achieve it, you have reached eternal happiness and can do no wrong unless you somehow manage to fall like Lucifer from the new heaven which is, so far, only hypothetically possible. It has its own priests and saints, its own churches. Only its better than heaven because you can see people in it and watch them achieving bliss and think I can't wait until I get there too.
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Jul 21, 2021 04:36
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Hwurmp posted:the main reason billionaires can't get rid of their billions is because, even by the insane standards of money and finance, most of it isn't real I mean sort of? The "It's all tied up in assets they can't actually liquidate!" canard is true in the sense that they can't actually access a significant portion of their fortune (even most of it) all at once if they wanted. On the other hand, the assets that are counted towards their billions of dollars do generally produce revenue (ex, property) in the order of millions of dollars. If I have a billion dollar goose I can't sell that regularly shits out millions of dollars it feels like a quibble to say the goose isn't "really" worth a billion dollars.
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UltraShame posted:https://www.businessinsider.com/alabama-republican-called-black-colleague-n-word-in-meeting-outburst-2021-7 "I'm not *technically* racist" sure is a response I guess.
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Gig work strikes me as something that gets shittier the more people catch onto it, like so many other things. At first you've got basically a really simple barter system where the employee makes slightly more doing something a corporate employer would cut you a paycheck for and the customer pays slightly less than they would for the same service; cutting out the middle man has that effect. However as more and more companies realize outside contractors are easier to exploit than hourly employees, you'll see more industries shift that way. Being a contractor without some kind of union or other bargaining power sucks. I think gig work in the US will rapidly reach dystopian levels.
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Tibalt posted:I am not a labor law expert, but my understanding is that those NLRB methods of holding a union drive to force a unionization vote don't apply to contractors. But I think they still have the Protected Concerted Activity rights as everyone else. I mean the screen actors guild exists? EDIT: Sorry this was legitimately a question, I have no idea how the legal status of actors differs from other contractors. Mendrian fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jul 23, 2021 |
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mobby_6kl posted:Bike lanes that are part of the road can gently caress off anyway Idk man there are definately places in seattle where I prefer them in their own quarantine lanes.
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Jul 23, 2021 19:33
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"The business model I invented where I pay nothing and take frequent vacations just isn't working what do I do" - sociopath business owner named probably Fred, John, or Paul.
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I mean we've arrived at, "please, democrats, do not give us money or help with life saving juice because the people will not take it if you are involved." We are now living in two countries separated by media rather than geography. Attempting to fix our democracy is going to be like trying to "fix" the governments of two opposing and seperare nations.
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Jul 26, 2021 09:31
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evilweasel posted:the correct solution isn't gating medical care by moral failings, it's gating lots of other stuff This is a fine idea in theory but it won't be any more effective than mask mandates. It's all well and good to say "a passport is required to enter Dennys" but then you're just offloading the work of vaccine enforcement on minimum wage employees with no authority who now must make a choice multiple times per day to confront adult children who will absolutely make their lives a living hell to no tangible benefit to the employee. Until local law enforcement, or preferably a new, temporary agency, hires people to enforce those rules it's as toothless as how much spine me, a service worker, had on any particular day.
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evilweasel posted:i mean yes, the police should be enforcing the law as well Exactly. I just get a little upset when people start saying what should be "required' and then dont envision how that's going to happen. There is no magical forcefield that keeps people out of your local Target, a person has to do that. And the "well it sucks but it's for the benefit of society, take one for the team, Jimmy" attitude I see (no idea what attitude you hold, just paraphrasing relatives) all the time is an awful loving lot because Jimmy is probably young and or poor, more likely to be marginalized and has been taking one for the loving team for over a year.
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