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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:See you're not saying anything that's incorrect, but grouping every mass shooting together and refusing to see anything that contradicts that narrative is just as pigheaded as thinking every single one was conducted by "the CIA" IMO we still have no real clue if JFK got done by the mafia, the MIC, rogue MIC in conjuction with the mafia, or even (and, to me, most ridiculous) with LBJ's explicit approval to derail the investigations into LBJ which vanished the second Oswald or whoever took a shot. So, we have not much insight into the highest profile killing of the last century, meanwhile the intel agencies have done nothing but get spookier and more compartmentalized, and motherfuckers be thinking we'll ever get the full story on literally anything that has a substantial MIC fingerprint on it?  It would take a lot to make me think the MIC has much interest in something as low profile as Uvalde, and also that really looks like a bunch of dumb loving incompetent cops that didn't need some kind of support from above to make a horrible situation worse. On the other hand, that's what I've been coddled to believe by the information that's available. The body cam footage etc is still being blocked. I don't think this event was an "op" but I think what's happening now is absolutely a coverup of something. The general pettiness of cops makes me think it could be well, well short of "actually the cops set the shooter up with gear". Cabbages and Kings has issued a correction as of 16:38 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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some of our friends from church had to explain the local parades got cancelled and their kids cried for hours and hours. fun poo poo
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also, w/r/t Highland, the media seems to be doing the dumb bad loving thing of publishing human interest articles about the troubled shooter and his motivations and blasting his loving picture everywhere, despite organizations which study this suggesting a completely loving different handling:quote:Lankford also studied 24 mass shooters who openly admitted they wanted fame or contacted the media directly to get it.[7] Studies of mass shooters that are based on available documentation and interviews found that many had narcissistic personalities that crave fame and attention;[16] narcissistic personality disorder is often not considered a mental illness. This is hardly the only organization saying this and at this point I think there's enough hard data on how media narratives can spur on further violence, that when media chooses to engage in narratives which do just that, they are fuckin complicit.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:also, w/r/t Highland, the media seems to be doing the dumb bad loving thing of publishing human interest articles about the troubled shooter and his motivations and blasting his loving picture everywhere, despite organizations which study this suggesting a completely loving different handling: the media are the enemy of the people
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ikanreed posted:I honestly I have no idea who cannibal is and I do not know why I should know. it’s so you don’t embarrass yourself like this.
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mastershakeman posted:some of our friends from church had to explain the local parades got cancelled and their kids cried for hours and hours. fun poo poo no they didn’t
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mass shootings are an fbi op not a cia op
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stop talking about ops you literal loving schizos people love to shoot people especially in this country and there doesnt need to be some cracked out reason other than typical malice
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Frosted Flake posted:I thought the copycat thing was largely discredited? news to me but also wouldn't surprise me since my premise here was "the media narratives around these events are always bad and should be regarded with suspicion" got any interesting relevant links? Pontificating rear end posted:stop talking about ops you literal loving schizos if the police do dumb illegal poo poo in response to these events and then cover it up, as has happened in, minimally, two well documented incidents, it's very much an "operation" and you don't have to be a schizo to think so. I think you may need to have some mental health issues to generally trust the cops in any situation, though!
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No it’s very important that you say gladio at least twice a day to show how smart you are.
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Pontificating rear end posted:stop talking about ops you literal loving schizos “hmmm the nation is deeply divided and hostile towards itself rn, but the resulting violence is the result of a massive coverup and not the result of decades of heightened erosion of our social fabric” lmao like yeah this isn’t some riddle, we’re poo poo as a society and this is a result
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indigi posted:no they didn’t wrong.gif
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Frosted Flake posted:I thought the copycat thing was largely discredited? in the sense that all of society is bearing down on crazy shut ins with intrusive thoughts saying "this is what people like you do"? no I'm afraid I haven't seen anything conclusive
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Cabbages and Kings posted:if the police do dumb illegal poo poo in response to these events and then cover it up, as has happened in, minimally, two well documented incidents, it's very much an "operation" and you don't have to be a schizo to think so. I think you may need to have some mental health issues to generally trust the cops in any situation, though! cops lie and destroy evidence constantly to cover up their INCOMPETANCE they are incapable of higher-level thinking
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Pontificating rear end posted:cops lie and destroy evidence constantly to cover up their INCOMPETANCE sounds like you're a schizo to me, cops never lie and feds are the highest level cops
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Pontificating rear end posted:cops lie and destroy evidence constantly to cover up their INCOMPETANCE Yes, this was my basic takeaway from Columbine as well as whatever the gently caress is going on in Uvalde.
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:sounds like you're a schizo to me, cops never lie and feds are the highest level cops an extremely schizo post anyway im going back to gangstalking half the posters itt
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Pontificating rear end posted:an extremely schizo post keep going you're going to win the thread soon
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mass shootings are not an op but we can have fun arguing about what motivations for them would be
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Tezer posted:The TFR gun control thread is going well smokey the bear reboot looking really grim
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it's weird to me how many mass casualty event perpetrators were "known to law enforcement" beforehand conspiracy isn't a dirty word and screaming about how believing in anything but the gross incompetence of authority is mental illness is doing the lib media's job for them. it's pure tribalism
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indigi posted:mass shootings are not an op but we can have fun arguing about what motivations for them would be unaddressed long term unhappiness combined with a generally degrading public sphere, lack of trust in institutions, general challenge to the tried-and-tired stereotypes of "masculinity" and "power" all happening inside a country which is experiencing rapid wealth concentration at the top at the expense of everyone else, but where high powered rifles are still easily available on credit in any town with more than about 5000 people in it there I solved it and that just seems sad, not fun Hooplah posted:it's weird to me how many mass casualty event perpetrators were "known to law enforcement" beforehand In a bunch of cases (like Highland!) they were "known to police" specifically because they had done violent awful poo poo which in a reasonable world would have put them under suspicion that would prevent gun ownership, but we don't live in that world so it's just "yea the cops knew that guy was kinda a psycho, and then he got a gun and killed 20 people" also I am not just calling authority incompetent, I am calling them, at best, criminally negligent and at worst directly liable for some amount of deaths in some of these events where the response was entirely hosed up. Conspiracy is the cleanest of clean words, it just means "more than one person agreeing implicitly or explicitly to commit a crime or series of crimes", and that clearly happens all the time. I personally am pretty open to the existence of many conspiracies that involve up to 5-6 people, and am loving dismal on the idea you could pull off a massive conspiracy that required the cooperation of hundreds of people knowingly, unless they all suicided at the end or something. Someone would, eventually, say something. Cabbages and Kings has issued a correction as of 17:21 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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seems like the cops tryin to actually, like, do something about mass shooters is a good way for cops to get mass shot, so they're probably just letting the mass shooters get it out of their system before trying to anything about it seems to be working out well for them so far, anyways
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look can we all just take a minute to appreciate the fact that we're arguing some kinda pedantic poo poo in this thread? It's good because it means there hasn't been a mass shooting in America today. Yet.
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Hooplah posted:it's weird to me how many mass casualty event perpetrators were "known to law enforcement" beforehand I think it’s that saying “conspiracy” implies some kind of organization at some level rather than a general abandonment by the people and systems we were expecting to keep us safe. there is a conspiracy in as much as the police are lazy and incompetent and seek to hide this from the general public and in as much as the institutions that we think should be addressing issues like mental health, the bleakness of the future, etc. either do not exist or have been gutted for profit incentives. there aren’t like shadowy cabals of generals inside the pentagon working with Elon musk to create mass casualty events for inscrutable reasons, it’s a bunch of lazy and greedy people covering their own asses and this death by a thousand cuts leads to situations like this more and more often. it looks even worse because no one is either willing to, or can, do anything from a position of leadership to address these issues.
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the only op is that half the time these right wing creeps have been monitored for the FBI for years and still usually manage to flawlessly execute their mass shooter plans. you can debate whether that's because the feds think its good and are allowing it or because the structure of reactionary law enforcement prevents anyone from acting until after people are already dying but it's clear they're not helping in any way
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the bitcoin of weed posted:the only op is that half the time these right wing creeps have been monitored for the FBI for years and still usually manage to flawlessly execute their mass shooter plans. you can debate whether that's because the feds think its good and are allowing it or because the structure of reactionary law enforcement prevents anyone from acting until after people are already dying but it's clear they're not helping in any way one of my friends once had a neighbor call them to report they were moving lots of "suspicious boxes" around. They were doing aerospace work, and may have been lugging components to and from their car. They got a visit from a cop plus an FBI agent, who just told them that the report had been made and asked zero questions whatsoever about the reloading bench, ammo-in-process, and rack of semiautomatic rifles and pistols in clear view in the house, and there was no followup. I believe they simply do not actually care, and also think that bothering white people about their weapons might cause them career jeopardy of some kind. I don't think this person should have been seriously interrogated or anything; they had ID, a clear explanation for their work, etc. At the same time, if you are responding to a "suspicious person" call and see an assload of guns and don't even ask about that it feels to me like maybe you are not doing your job as thoroughly as you should be? Oglethorpe posted:saw a bunch of new posts and thought there was a new shooting but nope just epstein thread poo poo yes and as I said above that's the good case so come crack a beer with us, bdOglethorpe bdFriend. edit: pssssh CSPAM should have put tradmark protection on `schizoposting` years ago. gently caress.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:news to me but also wouldn't surprise me since my premise here was "the media narratives around these events are always bad and should be regarded with suspicion" Mass Shootings: The Role of the Media in Promoting Generalized Imitation “Recently a “contagion” effect has been suggested wherein the occurrence of one mass shooting increases the likelihood of another mass shooting occurring in the near future. Although contagion is a convenient metaphor used to describe the temporal spread of a behavior, it does not explain how the behavior spreads. Generalized imitation is proposed as a better model to explain how one person’s behavior can influence another person to engage in similar behavior.” I’m not sure what to make of it. It seems to be saying it doesn’t spread like a contagion but maybe provides a template?
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mastershakeman posted:some of our friends from church had to explain the local parades got cancelled and their kids cried for hours and hours. fun poo poo Ah you're a church person. That explains a lot of your posting
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Frosted Flake posted:Mass Shootings: The Role of the Media in Promoting Generalized Imitation  This is interesting and also seems to want to hedge its bets, but the Conclusions section unedited is quote:A mass shooting is a complex and destructive act that occurs as a result of many factors. One factor that is relevant to the spread of mass shootings and other “contagious” behaviors is generalized imitation. In instances of mass shootings, the media appear largely responsible for providing the model to imitate. Although there are a variety of strategies that could function in tandem to alter the likelihood of a mass shooting, changing the way the media report mass shootings is one important step in preventing and reducing imitation of these acts. Furthermore, it is likely that media-prompted imitation extends beyond mass shootings. A media effect has been shown with suicide, is implied in mass shootings, and may play a role in other extreme events such as home-grown terrorism and racially motivated crimes. I don't think this fundamentally undermines my own premise, and if anything seems to be at least open to the possibility that changing media narratives would effect outcomes, but complicating this is both the difficulty of actually doing so, combined with the spread of social media which is harder or impossible to control (and does appear to have been a significant factor in Buffalo, Uvalde, Highland murder sprees). Der Meister posted:a country full of blood lust and despair surrounded by weapons, really don’t know how to fix this folks this sounds like one of those situations where at some point thermodynamics just kicks in and solves it? Gods help those of us who live here, of course.
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Dustcat posted:thread stared too long into the abyss Saw libs dogpiling a few people posting about how the guy wasn't really a Trump supporter and how this poo poo doesn't fit inside a neat partisan box and is way weirder.
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Der Meister posted:a country full of blood lust and despair surrounded by weapons, really don’t know how to fix this folks DE-CRIMINALIZE DUELING!
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Groovelord Neato posted:Saw libs dogpiling a few people posting about how the guy wasn't really a Trump supporter and how this poo poo doesn't fit inside a neat partisan box and is way weirder. why the gently caress does anyone assume politics have to have anything to do with poo poo like this? People commit murder on small and large scale all the time for apolitical reasons. to commit a mass killing you need to be broken enough in the head to view causing as much death and pain as possible as both desirable, and as a physics problem with no morality attached, and smart enough to understand how frail humans actually are and that this is a pretty simple problem when viewed through this lens. That is it. That's the only requirement. You don't need any particular belief or diagnosis. once your brain is broken to that point, you're a menace to society, and the things that break people to that degree needn't be political, and even if they are actually arising from some material cause that has a political reality underlaying it, the brokebrained killer may not at all parse the connection between the politics and their material state, or, if they do, they may make completely wrong inferences and come to conclusions that are "political" but completely detached from reality.
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I'm late to the discussion but I don't understand how celebrating a nation and it's creation is not a tacit approval of what that nation is doing or what it stands for. Like if a person is flying a confederate flag is it not safe to assume that person is racist? If someone is attending a KKK rally is it not safe to assume that person supports the KKK and what the KKK stands for? This is excluding children of course.
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