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imperialparadox posted:Personally I wonder how it will affect things if they integrate the markets. I'm assuming earning ISK in Eve is quicker than earning ISK in Dust, but I only play Dust casually so I could be mistaken. My main thought is that it wouldn't affect Eve that must, but if an Eve player transferred ISK straight up to a DUST player, couldn't that keep them in the best dropsuits and gear for ages? There is a lot more EVE isk and it's easier to accumulate, but there is much more to spend it on. Dust has a much higher volume of turnover but only has two uses. It's really hard to peg an exchange rate for the two right now, and as the dust items are all NPC seeded at fixed costs there's not a lot of flexibility to the Dust economy. For comparison an average eve player usually floats between half a billion to a few billion in liquid assets at a time. With a lot of value stored up in modules, ships, random crap; a well to do eve player can have a net worth in the tens to hundreds of billions; and an rich industrialist can have liquid isk in the trillions as well as BPOs, Ships, and mineral reserves. Edit: I am currently very poor from lack of playing. I have 300m liquid Isk, but I still have about a half dozen battlecruisers/battleships fully fit, a bunch of random crap like stealth bombers, cov ops, frigates/assault frigates/daredevils, PI P2s, BPOs/BPCs, and minerals just laying around. Samahiel fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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James Woods Fan posted:Applied as James Raymond Profit. Tired of playing with pubs. You were still in II. You poor thing. Also we beat you but it was fun.
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Present posted:It bugs me when people talk about Dust like it's Eve. What's the deal with the security concerns? It's not like you have to move assets to another system to set up for a push or whatever and risk spies finding out about it. You open a window and select Join Battle on whatever battle the directors came up with. And our tactics in-game? I doubt anyone is going to be pouring over our match vids looking for a weakness to exploit when our corp KDR is 1.2. And the scamming? What do we even have to entice people with? In Eve there's free skillbooks, training, and ops as part of one of the biggest powerblocks in the game. But in Dust we're nobodies. spazzhole posted:Opsec doesn't exist at the line level. The only thing we have even remotely opsec is director skype It's a force of habit and I honestly would prefer following it early on than have to tell people what to do and then listen/see them screw up down the line since they just don't care or have any idea what the gently caress they're doing. As far as scamming goes, since clearly people have a loving hard time to understand this, its to figure out how to scam now and figure out ways to scam people down the line once player-to-player trading is activated. If you're not interested in doing any of the theorycrafting/figuring it out, then you don't have to. No one ever said you were expected to, just if you wanted to I'm trying to set up a way for people to share their ideas in a constructive fashion. It doesn't have to be the exact same as scamming in EVE, nor did I ever say or hint at that but I guess people jump to the conclusion of that pretty easily. As far as "enticing" people down the line, yeah you can entice them with free guns/dropsuits which would be a decent bait for the idiot pubbies. Wikipedia Brown posted:I don't think they're keen to have ISK moving between the games like that any time soon, if ever. Dust players who aren't into Eve would be at a drastic disadvantage compared to Eve players. I mean, I never really figured out how to play Eve, and even my inactive account has a quantity of ISK that would be obscene in Dust terms. If I remember correctly they want to have the EVE/DUST markets integrated within a year (so by roughly FanFest 2014). At present their big issues is the disparity in value between EVE ISK and DUST ISK, which their teams are working on figuring out and won't happen overnight. In essence from what I heard/remember of Fanfest EVE is a big mound of cash, and DUST is a hole, the plan is to even both sides out so they can let the players manipulate the economy without utterly destroying both games. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Jun 3, 2013 20:29
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Uba Stij posted:After Action Report from 5/25/2013 battle, "Operation: Punch You With Our Face" For the record, that map is Skim Junction, not Ashland.
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spazzhole posted:Opsec doesn't exist at the line level. The only thing we have even remotely opsec is director skype And the director skype consists of us talking about pokemon, stargate, and literally everything but Dust.
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Sammus posted:And the director skype consists of us talking about pokemon, stargate, and literally everything but Dust. Maybe in the channel you're in 
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sleeptalker posted:For the record, that map is Skim Junction, not Ashland. I was told it was Ashland and going off the posted maps on the fourms and seeing the map from the video, Ashland was the most likely candidate. Edit - doublechecked and yeah you're right it is Skim Junction, fixed Map URL and Map info, all other comments were on point however, I'll edit it later if I have time. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Sammus posted:And the director skype consists of us talking about pokemon, stargate, and literally everything but Dust. drat it, why isn't our corp themed after the Goa'uld or something? Kree, Pokemon.
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spazzhole posted:Maybe in the channel you're in Sigh. You liberate one corp wallet worth several hundred of millions ISK, and suddenly it's like no one wants to let you play with corp wallets anymore.
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spazzhole posted:Maybe in the channel you're in Yeah, the others are about gay porn & Blue Donuts.  Director Skype Leak[14:42:15] Soarer: "drat it, why isn't our corp themed after the Goa'uld or something?" God drat it why ISN'T it? [14:42:22] Sammus 420: hahahahahahaha [14:42:30] Sammus 420: i saw that post [14:43:08] Dexter Peabody: i have no idea what that poo poo is [14:43:16] Dexter Peabody: gently caress science fiction [14:43:18] Sammus 420: if we ever RP, there is no reason why we can't RP Goa'uld slavers or something [14:43:41] Samahiel Sotken: why what? [14:43:46] Samahiel Sotken: no [14:43:54] Sammus 420: im not saying we're ever going to RP [14:43:55] Samahiel Sotken: no Gay erotic stargate slashfiction RP. [14:43:59] Sammus 420: awww [14:44:16] Soarer: what about straight erotic stargate slashfiction RP? [14:44:22] Sammus 420: I know some members of the corp who would be very dissapointed to hear that [14:44:30] Samahiel Sotken: Stargate was poo poo too, and Sci-Fi should never have cancelled Farscape. Samahiel fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Applied in game as Deus Extremis :iamafag: since XxXGoku420XxX was already taken. 
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Samahiel posted:Yeah, the others are about gay porn & Blue Donuts. Samahiel confirmed for poo poo taste. Bow before your one true God! Kree!
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imperialparadox posted:Personally I wonder how it will affect things if they integrate the markets. I'm assuming earning ISK in Eve is quicker than earning ISK in Dust, but I only play Dust casually so I could be mistaken. My main thought is that it wouldn't affect Eve that must, but if an Eve player transferred ISK straight up to a DUST player, couldn't that keep them in the best dropsuits and gear for ages? To give you a rough idea, goons can earn 20 million in EVE doing PvE in the timeframe it takes you to make 200k in Dust, so a rate of about 100 times more. Expenses to make that isk is pretty much the cost of charges (ammunition) which is a lot less than the cost to replenish losses in Dust. This doesn't include any other sources of isk like playing the market, manufacturing and P.I. which are all pretty much passive incomes. I really doubt we'll ever see any market integration between Dust and EVE outside of allowing EVE players to manufacture and sell Dust dropsuits/equipment. Even bounty contracts issued by EVE players to Dust players would require a hard cap to prevent flooding the Dust market.
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Samahiel posted:Yeah, the others are about gay porn & Blue Donuts. Didn't you know Stargate just became Farscape at the end? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8ivnFZiGNM Mekchu fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Uba Stij posted:Didn't you know Stargate just became Farscape at the end? If the Jim Henson Company didn't do the alien's I don't want to hear about it.
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Jun 3, 2013 21:13
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Samahiel posted:If the Jim Henson Company didn't do the alien's I don't want to hear about it. I wouldn't know anything about that since I don't watch bad shows that get cancelled*. *except for Eureka Mekchu fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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I just wanted to thank our logis for keeping my fat rear end in tip top shape (farce you are my hero). I also wanted to present a few logi/other equip holder AR guys some suggestions. This is only from my HMG POV so take any ideas with that in mind. If I were to ask for the ideal logi that is running behind me, I'd want them to have a repair gun and triage nanohives (not the one that does ammo and repair as it doesn't last long enough). The HMG is pretty good when it comes to ammo consumption and can go quite awhile without resupply, if our AR equip people dished out ammo and injectors and left our logis to focus on keeping the armor up I'd be in constant juggernaut mode. On that same note I'm often being tailed by a logi and looking at a target that is out of my range and ask them what type of weapon they have as to shoot over my shoulder. It would be great if that logi were equiped with a TAC or a scrambler rifle, or even a mass driver. Anything that could disrupt those guys hiding behind the rock across the street and get them running so I can push forward. Anyway thats my $.02.
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Uba Stij posted:I wouldn't know anything about that since I don't watch bad shows that get cancelled*. Hey, Firefly is not on trial here.
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Jun 3, 2013 21:31
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Samahiel posted:Hey, Firefly is not on trial here. Firefly is a great show and for the Farscape fans check out Defiance, its made by the same people.
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Jun 3, 2013 21:33
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Samahiel posted:Hey, Firefly is not on trial here. Why would I watch such a bad/hokey Sci Fi show? Edit - I also wouldn't wish Defiance upon anyone, thats just a new form of torture the North Koreans have released upon America.
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So regarding market integration, wasn't Dust eventually supposed to be a major way to pull isk out of EVE? Like you would have big EVE alliances paying off huge sums to Dust corps to help protect and attack their sovereignty, and much of that money is drained out in the form of blown up tanks and poo poo? My one character still has a weird old collection of stuff like small arms and mercenaries. I wish I could do something with those. I think I have a few light vehicles as well.
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I'm entirely for going for a Goa'uld slant. Or any Stargate slant. (How dare you exclude me from Stargate chat)
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Uba Stij posted:If you are on jabber, PM me (abu@goonfleet.com) and let's start theorycrafting ways to make ISK off dumb pubbies. This is a project I want to get started on soon. We broached this with Immobile Infantry Jr. There's really not much you can do at this time without shitloads of 
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Uba Stij posted:Why would I watch such a bad/hokey Sci Fi show? Well as a devout Doctor Who fan i can't think of a better form of sci fi than bad/hokey and with that I would also suggest watching canada's "Continuum".
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Shut up about your nerd sci-fi TV, guys.  Personally, I would love to see EVE players wreck the AR market in Dust if nothing else to see those CoD types weep and gnash teeth that they can't afford their precious TacAR's anymore.
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Uba Stij posted:If I remember correctly they want to have the EVE/DUST markets integrated within a year (so by roughly FanFest 2014). At present their big issues is the disparity in value between EVE ISK and DUST ISK, which their teams are working on figuring out and won't happen overnight. In essence from what I heard/remember of Fanfest EVE is a big mound of cash, and DUST is a hole, the plan is to even both sides out so they can let the players manipulate the economy without utterly destroying both games. Yeah, I'm just not seeing how economic integration is possible unless it's severely restricted to the point where it's not really integrated at all. Basically, anyone who plays Eve as well would have a severe advantage in Dust, unless they came up with some weird explanation like the two ISKs were different currencies and heinously taxed them on exchange rate or some bull. Of course, maybe that's the idea, to make Dust players also start up an Eve account to finance their shooting of mans? Which sounds like a horrible idea, so of course maybe there is some truth to it.
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There is no market, to have a market we'd have to be able to exchange goods. Right now the best you can do is transfer isk through escrow corps for services, and there's really no services worth the effort.
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Samahiel posted:There is no market, to have a market we'd have to be able to exchange goods. Right now the best you can do is transfer isk through escrow corps for services, and there's really no services worth the effort. Not even "Awox for hire"? 
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Thanks for letting me join. What's the best way to play with goons, just ask in Corp chat for a squad invite?
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Lutha Mahtin posted:Not even "Awox for hire"? It exists it's just rather informal or uses a character donating to a escrow corp. orphean posted:Thanks for letting me join. What's the best way to play with goons, just ask in Corp chat for a squad invite? Yes, if there aren't a lot of people about you can also ask around on the IRC if anyone's about to log in or will be logging in at a later time.
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Hey thread Moronic "Heal me" Farce here with the answer to a question you didn't know you had. What would you do if you were a mumble mouth member of a tryhard corp that's been involved in a land war with another corp and your team is coming off as second best? If your solution is dropping a hot rap track you answered incorrectly but so did this guy. http://f.cl.ly/items/1T2n3b3W30001d290N1g/Groove%20Numero%20Uno%201.mp3 Big props to Sammus for digging up the link earlier today, also gently caress Sammus for digging up the link earlier today.
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Applied as Apogee Gan. I'm in the middle of a move across the country after my old job imploded, but hey. Game is free and points gather while I'm out of circulation. Maybe when I get to the new place I'll see about hooking back up with the Deklein crew too so I can rain death from above as well as below.
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Uba Stij posted:You mean the 2.5mil isk you got by accident and were told was an accident? I don't think you understood what I was saying.  Anyway, any progress on that heavy build? Or is it still in the pipe?
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Moronic Farce posted:Hey thread Moronic "Heal me" Farce here with the answer to a question you didn't know you had. I wasn't sure what I was hearing in the background noise of someone's mic earlier in a match tonight. Unfortunately I know now... Cripes.
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About 3 minutes too long, but it's a hot rear end track Pros: that get fresh flow, a style both relaxed, almost lackadaisical but with a tight lyricality and attention to rhyme scheme, lots of promise here from what I can hear Cons: Little verbose which takes some edge off, needs more grit, beat not greasy nor meaty enough for my tastes, got my foot tapping but not *hard* enough, nahmean? Dust and STB ain't no games, they are lifestyles so the rapper should HTFU a bit, it's showing a lack in his gun game. Verdict: B, hope Rap Three can tie it all together like the Unforgiven III did for Metallica. If your gonna try, try hard
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If you listened to the whole thing, please talk to Sammus about your membership status.
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Uba Stij posted:If you listened to the whole thing, please talk to Sammus about your membership status. Cool do I get an upgrade!?! (I only could listen to like the first minute or so)
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bigmcgaffney posted:(I only could listen to like the first minute or so) Congratulations, you passed the test! Sammus fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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