GreatGreen posted:

I think Skyrim was successful not because the marketing campaign was "man fights dragon in snow" but rather "you can be a goddamn Viking. And by the way check out how bitching these trees and mountains look. And you can mod in literally anything. And remember that one time when we made Morrowind."

Either way, teso is poo poo and watching it go down in flames is going to be hilarious.

The Protagonist posted:

Also public records are kept as to who owns what and for how long.

rainy day posted:

most of skyrims sales were on consoles so modding was not actually a big selling point. you are seriously underestimating how vacuously stupid gamers are

The Protagonist posted:

Hey I'm gonna' spitball more about the ESO that could/should have been. Okay? Okay.

All the legacy weapons are there, but only one of each. Either you have to do a brutal quest gauntlet to earn one of them, or you have to kill the current holder of one. If the holding player deletes the character/destroys it or just doesn't log for a given amount of time it resets to the quest dungeon. Also public records are kept as to who owns what and for how long.

A non-zero number of artifacts would require your dungeon-crawling team going battleroyale on each other at the last second on the whim of the daedra dude.

Sheogorath would do this too, except after teleporting everyone to shard-dimensions and pitting you all against mute-monsterfied versions of each other in a single elimination impromptu tournament.

There. A single feature that makes coherent use of unique items in a persistant online world that is ~1000000x cooler than anything ESO will have cooked up.

SniperWoreConverse posted:

Instead of this make it be you have to cast a mid range clairvoyance spell to figure it out, or pay a player or npc wizard like $5 to do it for you. It just says the area it's in or the name of who has it.

Then like a sneaktheif can use their black market connections to figure out the rumors of where this person is and you kill them and take it, or steal it, or just talk to them and convince them to hand it over.

or if like someone threw it in the ocean or w/e you can use some kind of detect enchantment poo poo to find it.

Look it's an achievable goal that doesn't include npc quest givers asking for 10 poached dickbutts in exchange for the next stage.
Also if you're a real badass you have to work to keep your poo poo together.

GOT A EXTRA TITTY posted:

i don't think anyone has to guess rainy day, they're putting themselves right here

The Protagonist posted:

still a better idea than ESO smartguy

SniperWoreConverse posted:

what man it's top teir ~content~ that's organically player driven

The Protagonist posted:

Hey I'm gonna' spitball more about the ESO that could/should have been. Okay? Okay.

All the legacy weapons are there, but only one of each. Either you have to do a brutal quest gauntlet to earn one of them, or you have to kill the current holder of one. If the holding player deletes the character/destroys it or just doesn't log for a given amount of time it resets to the quest dungeon. Also public records are kept as to who owns what and for how long.

A non-zero number of artifacts would require your dungeon-crawling team going battleroyale on each other at the last second on the whim of the daedra dude.

Sheogorath would do this too, except after teleporting everyone to shard-dimensions and pitting you all against mute-monsterfied versions of each other in a single elimination impromptu tournament.

There. A single feature that makes coherent use of unique items in a persistant online world that is ~1000000x cooler than anything ESO will have cooked up.

Lumpy the Cook posted:

Lumpy the Cook posted:

Gobblecoque posted:

having guilds and poo poo fighting pvp wars over artifacts would be pretty baller

Top Bunk Wanker posted:

The idea of powerful, unique artifacts that only temporarily favor their owners is probably a transcription error.

The Protagonist posted:

Yes. Good.


I know right? I really just like the idea of a four or five man group knowing they have to cooperate long enough to get the goal in sight, but at some point they're all going to turn on eachother.


I mean they could have lumped all the elves together and one group and the furries and orcs into another and it would have made more sense and been more consistent.

GOT A EXTRA TITTY posted:

these quotes and more later.

GOT A EXTRA TITTY posted:

For the past year or so, I've typically been too anxious and depressed to post in GBS, and if I do post, I'll run away for a while afterward for fear of seeing my post(s) being mocked. It has been even worse since the inception of new GBS. I used to love to write and post things, esp. in threads that involve making fun of libertarians, but my confidence here, as in all domains of my life, is shot.

The only place I feel comfortable on SA is NMD, because I have pretty deep musical knowledge and an expansive record collection (one of my precious few escapes from the "gray drizzle of horror," the "storm of murk"*), but I don't even post there too often.

It took me 4mg of guanfacine (prescribed for ADD, but useful for anxiety) and two days of trepidatious over-analysis to finally make this flimsy, unfunny post in this thread but I think its worth it.

The Protagonist posted:

I've got a quote for ya <3

Disco Infiva posted:

It would be funny if in a new TES game you can see Cyrodiil with glorious jungle overgrowth. But you can never go there since that's not where the game takes place.

Corek posted:

seriously even today blizzard puts loads of work into the visual design of every zone, maybe even more than they did then

The Protagonist posted:

Yes. Good.


I know right? I really just like the idea of a four or five man group knowing they have to cooperate long enough to get the goal in sight, but at some point they're all going to turn on eachother.


Hahah goddamn if this whole thing isn't just the biggest corporate own of nerdiness ever.

I mean they could have lumped all the elves together and one group and the furries and orcs into another and it would have made more sense and been more consistent.

rainy day posted:

i like how they call altmer "high elves" 90% of the time because apparently calling them what they're called in every other game is too confusing for their target audience. MMO makers know their audience is dumber than a pile of bricks, that's why this kind of poo poo gets made.

rainy day posted:

i like how they call altmer "high elves" 90% of the time because apparently calling them what they're called in every other game is too confusing for their target audience. MMO makers know their audience is dumber than a pile of bricks, that's why this kind of poo poo gets made.

Piedmon Sama posted:

It's hilarious because "alt" means high, "dun" means dark and "bos" means wood in actual real earth languages but apparently this is too complex for THE CASUALS

Piedmon Sama posted:

It's hilarious because "alt" means high, "dun" means dark and "bos" means wood in actual real earth languages but apparently this is too complex for THE CASUALS

Piedmon Sama posted:

It's hilarious because "alt" means high, "dun" means dark and "bos" means wood in actual real earth languages but apparently this is too complex for THE CASUALS

GreatGreen posted:

The thing about "realistic" game vegetation vs Blizzard-type stylized vegetation is that personally, I always liked WoW's forests way better than most other ones because each one felt more like one gigantic, complex room where the forest canopy was the ceiling and the trees were more like huge, far spread load bearing columns for the leaves above. When you went in the forests of WoW, You really felt totally enveloped in them unlike pretty much any other game I've ever played, due to the fact that the leaves above were so thick you couldn't even see the sky, and that there were none you could see all the way across, or anywhere close to all the way across, really.

Elder Scrolls forests on the other hand are really just the odd patch of trees here and there. Yeah yeah there's more polygons in a single branch in Skyrim than all the forests of WoW put together but so what? More people need to handle wooded areas like WoW.

The Protagonist posted:

Hey I'm gonna' spitball more about the ESO that could/should have been. Okay? Okay.

All the legacy weapons are there, but only one of each. Either you have to do a brutal quest gauntlet to earn one of them, or you have to kill the current holder of one. If the holding player deletes the character/destroys it or just doesn't log for a given amount of time it resets to the quest dungeon. Also public records are kept as to who owns what and for how long.

A non-zero number of artifacts would require your dungeon-crawling team going battleroyale on each other at the last second on the whim of the daedra dude.

Sheogorath would do this too, except after teleporting everyone to shard-dimensions and pitting you all against mute-monsterfied versions of each other in a single elimination impromptu tournament.

There. A single feature that makes coherent use of unique items in a persistant online world that is ~1000000x cooler than anything ESO will have cooked up.

Top Bunk Wanker posted:

Rapdawg posted:

It is sad because some good fantasy or really any cool fictional world should have some lore that is unclear because all we know about it is hearing things from different people who are all unreliable- The World of Darkness says in the good books that basically if you are running a Vampire game and own all of the Werewolf books that most people should have no idea if they exist and that those who do should get some things right and some things wrong.

I love being in tabletop games where two people tell you different versions of events because that is how people work in the real world and some games do this well also- Bioshock had those audio diaries where people recorded history in their own selfish worldview and that was really cool.

This however is just bullshit and bland.

GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:

there is a game that does this and when some dude with a bunch of artifacts became a borderline god, half the server set aside their factional disputes and started a holy war to de-god the fucker

my ~emergent gameplay~

The Droid posted:

well at least there's a thing that gives anyone else who takes over an excuse to reboot things "dragon break did it"

Earwicker posted:

has there ever been a fun MMO that is not only a good game but one you can have fun playing for like a couple hours a week or so instead of living in it?