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What race should goons play for PvP shenanigans? This poll is closed. |
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Rocketeer Korolev posted:Now that I think of it, it's probably best this game has it's own launcher. Thinking back to Star Wars:TOR, that would suck if it needed Origin to launch. You rarely need Steam to play the MMOGs published on it. Most either have a Steam and a non-Steam version (e.g. Marvel Heroes) where the Steam version skips the launcher entirely, or the Steam version simply runs the launcher. Regardless, you can almost always download the regular client and play the game through that, no matter where you purchased it from. I think the problem is that Zenimax would be required to offer the subscription through Steam, so beyond the cut that Steam takes on every sale (smaller than retail, larger than GMG, Gamefly, etc), they would also take a cut on their monthly subscription income. To my knowledge, EVE and Darkfall are the only subscription-based MMOGs on Steam for this reason. Liberatore fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Question about builds.... I was gone for a bachelor party this weekend and didnt get to make a new char and test this out... I've been playing a standard bow nightblade but it is a bit vanilla. I was thinking of going a bow sorc with some instants and a 1h/shield secondary with defensive's and escapes when people close in(this is all for pvp btw). Anyone tried a similar build or an unconventional sorc and how did it go for you?
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Mar 17, 2014 15:42
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Bishop01 posted:Question about builds.... I was gone for a bachelor party this weekend and didnt get to make a new char and test this out... I've been playing a standard bow nightblade but it is a bit vanilla. I was thinking of going a bow sorc with some instants and a 1h/shield secondary with defensive's and escapes when people close in(this is all for pvp btw). Anyone tried a similar build or an unconventional sorc and how did it go for you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s29KvfHwYqk Looking good.
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Mar 17, 2014 15:48
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Bow Sorcs are completely viable, played one this weekend and was having fun. I didn't train any secondary weapon, but instead used the alternate slots as solo vs group skill sets. Coming from a bow/siphon nightblade I did feel there was a lack of heal at least early on (PVE) and that pushed me towards heavy armor for the hp regen bonus in addition to my orc regen bonus. This was my first foray into the class without really researching or looking at other's builds though, so I'm sure there are others here with better builds.
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Mar 17, 2014 15:53
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Orv posted:If you want to play a Nightblade for rogue style burst, you have two options. You can play the Nightblade, and have a burst ready every 20 seconds or so (one rotation completely empties your mana and most of your stamina) or you can play a Sorcerer and be able to explode three or four people in a row. As for optimal racials for Nightblade you're not going to find anything wrong with any of the races. Getting down to min-max, your armor is going to be more important, considering that most of the "Stamina Regeneration X%" passives require you to be in combat, and you want to be in combat as little as possible as a Nightblade. If you really want to min-max race, there's nothing ostensibly wrong with being a cat, but I may be more prone to kick you from the guild for no reason. are sorcerers really just that much better for burst dps? are their mana pools just that much deeper than nightblade stamina pools? I certainly wouldn't be opposed to playing a sorcerer, that's typically what I played in other TES games, I'm just used to playing a rogue in MMO for all of the stealth-ganking goodness but if stealth is less important for a nightblade since everyone has sneak then...
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Mar 17, 2014 15:58
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Orv posted:Do the math on Standard from ZOS versus Imperial from GMG. The Bretons and Imperials share the same model with slightly different skin tones and body morphics. If you buy either version from ZOS you get 5 days headstart, so if that's your main concern you should look into that. Have to go with digital edition for this btw. According to the Zenimax store, you only get 3 days with the standard 'retail' edition.
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Mar 17, 2014 15:59
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Colonial Air Force posted:Yeah I did that once, it's a very slow process. 250G per apple and like 36 hours in between/ This is the way that all horses work. The cheap Imperial horse is equal to the horses you can buy for 17k gold normally. There are other horses for 42k with slightly higher stats, but all horses can be leveled up by feeding them. They can be fed once per 24 hour period, which might be reset based on when you bought the horse rather than when you fed it (when I fed it the second time, I could feed it again in 19 hours, versus 24 for feeding it the first time.) All horses can go up to level 50. You can feed them to increase speed, stamina for extra sprinting, or carrying capacity which increases your inventory size. So you can generalize or specialize your horses with one for speed for PvP and carrying capacity for PvE. I can't remember if the second feeding cost more than the first, or if its the same each time. OrbitalLaser fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Being the resident poopsock level 34 bow sorcerer in the beta tests I can tell you that it's quite valuable to split abilities between stam and magicka. You'll want to slot a root like Encase because Nightblades and 2H users have long range teleports, and Dragonknights can spam their tractor beam every 5 seconds. My usual "running away from people" combo was Encase -> Boundless Storm. Running away from people being useful because you don't want that that sword and board / dual wield / 2hander nerd beating on your face for more than half a second. I would also suggest running around with two setups since they give you two. One for dealing with melee players, and one for out damaging other ranged players. Potions are big, I usually carried around stacks of stamina potions. Lets see if I can summarize my setup: Setup 1 (All around world PvP build): Weapon: Bow Skills: 1.) Poison Injection (Morph of Poison Arrow) - I would often switch off spamming this and the regular attack since it appeared to do quite a bit of burst DPS. The DoT it applies is nothing to sneeze at. Keep a Stamina potion nearby for spamming. 2.) Focused Aim (Morph of Snipe) - Quite useful to fire from stealth as an opener due to the high crit burst damage and buff to further ranged attacks. Fairly useless in direct combat due to the 3 second cast. I use it to plink far away targets like people standing on keeps or siege engine operators. Works amazing for support DPS if you can avoid the enemy's attention. 3.) Critical Surge (Morph of Surge) - Standard weapon damage increase, can be used from stealth and makes Focused Aim do all the more damage. Not to mention if you stack crit chance your crits heal you for 50% of the damage they deal. Pretty snazzy! 4.) Restraining Prison (Morph of Encase) - Bread and butter 5.5 second root to get people to stop chasing you or waste stamina on getting out of the root. If they waste stamina on getting out of the root they'll probably run out of stamina trying to chase you. Biggest counter to this would probably be a 2 handed nightblade as I believe their teleport uses magicka and the 2 hander charge uses stamina. 5.) Boundless Storm (Morph of Lightning Form) - Makes you speedy mcrunfast to quickly evade gank squads, pesky melee players, anti-stealth squads, etc. Pretty excited to try out Bolt Escape as well. I will probably roll with a second weapon skill set that has Magnum Shot, Restraining Prison, Bolt Escape, Boundless Storm, and Rapid Maneuver while the first set will focus purely on dealing the highest burst damage possible. puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Nektu posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s29KvfHwYqk Extra posted:bow sorc stuff oh my, ty, exactly what i was looking for, launch char confirmed now i guess haha, looks a lot of fun to play too Bishop01 fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Mar 17, 2014 16:09
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Nektu posted:I'm planning on going to the EU server - apart from latency it sucks to always play during off-times due to timezone differences (especially once the inital rush wore off). I'm going to the US server. If the latency is ok now it probably won't get worse, and Everyone Speaks English(tm), which I do too. On the other hand I don't speak 'Moin' or 'Kurwa'.
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Mar 17, 2014 16:19
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 If you want to calculate damage/healing on abilities in PvP in Cyrodiil using esohead weapon damage is scaled to 120, stamina is scaled to 1189, and magicka is scaled to 1189. Character level is scaled to 50. Spell damage is scaled to 80. These are all beta values and may change at launch so YMMV. Note that if you are planning to PvP from 10-50 that you will need to beat the scaled amount to get an increase in stats in Cyrodiil. EX: If you have +500 health on your gear outside of Cyrodiil it will not add on to your 17XX health unless you have over 17XX health. EX: If you have 1800 health out of Cyrodiil you should have 1800 health inside Cyrodiil. EX: If you have 1300 health out of Cyrodiil you will have 17XX health in Cyrodiil. We have found the easiest "scale caps" to beat are critical hit chance, lower ability cost modifiers (ex: stamina abilities cost 10 less to use), and regeneration. Note that critical hit chance has only been found as a stat on weapons (one piece), reduced ability cost has only been found as a stat on jewelry (three pieces). It seems that regeneration is the way to go on armor (seven pieces) if you can get over the scaled caps. The lower the stat is scaled to in Cyrodiil the easier it will be for you to "beat it" and get an increase inside Cyrodiil. puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Mar 17, 2014 16:30
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Is there any information on combat mana regen for actual level 50 players? Using primarily only mana abilities doesn't let you last long when you only regen 50 something mana every 2 seconds for a boosted character. I feel like destructive staff should have some stamina abilities instead of mana requirements.
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Mar 17, 2014 16:32
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But still, peak hours on US servers are during the time where I'd really should be asleep. Work and social obligations would cry beautiful tears because of my sleep deprived attitude.
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Mar 17, 2014 16:33
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BadLlama posted:Is there any information on combat mana regen for actual level 50 players? Using primarily only mana abilities doesn't let you last long when you only regen 50 something mana every 2 seconds for a boosted character. I feel like destructive staff should have some stamina abilities instead of mana requirements. Stuff like Sorcerer's Dark Exchange/Conversion/Deal will be very useful as they convert Stamina to Health/Magicka. Dark Conversion IV for example restores 1200 Health and Magicka while channeling, but drains 12% Stamina per second over 3 seconds. You can also slot the Mage's Guild skill Spell Symmetry to trade Health for Magicka instantly. From what I can see you're going to want to stack quite a bit of magicka regen and/or max magicka on gear if you want to use destruction staffs and class abilities that use magicka. It's not like you can get spell damage on armor anyway. I would think Breton (3% reduced spell cost) combined with Light Armor (21% reduced spell cost will a full set) combined with Magicka Potions should yield some decent sustainability. Thankfully there are wineries dotted around Cyrodiil that sell potions for any level or you can do Cyrodiil dungeons for poitions scaled to your level. I would suggest running one weapon/skill set for magicka regen and one for damage dealing magicka spells. tl;dr: It's not so much about pure regen as slotting the right abilities, gear, and passives. It would be pretty overpowered if you could just slot enough regen to be an infinite mana battery of death and pick 10 damage/CC skills over two destro staff weapon sets. Cnaiur posted:But still, peak hours on US servers are during the time where I'd really should be asleep. Work and social obligations would cry beautiful tears because of my sleep deprived attitude. It annoys me quite a bit that I usually go to bed during peak hours and I'm not even EU. puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Mar 17, 2014 16:38
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OrbitalLaser posted:This is the way that all horses work. The cheap Imperial horse is equal to the horses you can buy for 17k gold normally. There are other horses for 42k with slightly higher stats, but all horses can be leveled up by feeding them. They can be fed once per 24 hour period, which might be reset based on when you bought the horse rather than when you fed it (when I fed it the second time, I could feed it again in 19 hours, versus 24 for feeding it the first time.) Yeah I guess the question was really more "is that worth a $20 increase in cost for the game?"
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Mar 17, 2014 16:41
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On a scale of ten to trash how bad is this game?
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Mar 17, 2014 16:52
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Motherfucker posted:On a scale of ten to trash how bad is this game? If you include PVE + PVP it's a solid 7.5 DickButts. If you only factor in PVP than it's 11.999999 Raging Boners in your Butt.
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Mar 17, 2014 16:54
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Motherfucker posted:On a scale of ten to trash how bad is this game? Goku.
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Mar 17, 2014 16:54
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Motherfucker posted:On a scale of ten to trash how bad is this game? Somewhat less than World Of Warcraft poopsocking, but hopefully not a short-lived thrill ride like Star Wars:The Old Republic was. To me, at least. Just glad I didn't pay for more than 2 months of game time for that! Okay, guys: recommend me a character race/class that would make a good mage, please.
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Mar 17, 2014 18:05
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Rocketeer Korolev posted:Okay, guys: recommend me a character race/class that would make a good mage, please. Breton Sorcerer.
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Mar 17, 2014 18:07
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Rocketeer Korolev posted:Somewhat less than World Of Warcraft poopsocking, but hopefully not a short-lived thrill ride like Star Wars:The Old Republic was. To me, at least. Just glad I didn't pay for more than 2 months of game time for that! Well, the traditional choice would be Breton or High Elf sorcerer, but that's boring. Do something weird!
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Mar 17, 2014 18:08
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Sorcerer is your best bet for a more 'magey' class, but you can use any race, weapon, or armor type and still feel 'magey.' I would just look at the skills and see what seems most fun to you. At the end of the day the bonuses are very small. An Orc Sorcerer isn't appreciably an worse Mage than a Breton sorcerer.
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Mar 17, 2014 18:14
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A Templar (With light armor, staff etc) actually felt like more of a glass cannon mage archtype than any of the sorcerers trees to me.
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Mar 17, 2014 18:21
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BadLlama posted:A Templar (With light armor, staff etc) actually felt like more of a glass cannon mage archtype than any of the sorcerers trees to me. I see the glass in that build but not the cannon. Cookie cutter Sorcerer destro staff is Crushing Shock spam, cast instant Crystal Fragments any time the "any magicka cost spell" proc pops, and Endless Fury as a finisher. That gives you two slots for utility (Encase or a morph + Dark Exchange or morph) plus an ultimate. Templars can't CC chasing melee very well while wearing light armor. I see Templars as being possibly anti-physical damage mages where you build a heavy armor sorcerer. Normally to heal yourself as a sorcerer you need to switch to a weapon set with a resto staff. Templars can just slot something like Ritual of Rebirth (self heal) combined with Spell Symmetry (mages guild skill that translates health into magicka) to keep up some nice Destruction Staff skill spamming. Possible tankmage PvP build: Race: Orc Class: Templar Weapon: Destruction Staff Armor: Heavy Active Skills: 1.) Crushing Shock (Bread and butter long range DPS spell) 2.) Weakness To Elements (Spell resistance debuff) 3.) Binding Javelin (3 Second 20 meter Knockback) 4.) Balance or Spell Symmetry (Trade Health for Magicka) 5.) Ritual of Rebirth (Healing spell that does 50% extra healing to self) Ultimate: Solar Disturbance (Long range DoT with 40% enemy damage debuff, 60% snare) If you wanted you could also slot Restoring Aura for the extra health regen instead of Binding Javelin especially since Crushing Shock will provide you with a snare. Restoring Aura's stamina regen will allow for much longer sprinting and CC countering against other classes. The big advantage I see with heavy Magicka only builds is the ability to dedicate stamina purely to breaking Snare/Stun/Root effects and sprinting puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Mar 17, 2014 18:32
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Extra posted:Breton Sorcerer. This or potentially a Breton Dragon Knight (fire magic)(unless they nerfed it after some of the beta videos/feedback).
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Mar 17, 2014 18:36
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Sureal posted:This or potentially a Breton Dragon Knight (fire magic)(unless they nerfed it after some of the beta videos/feedback). Got a link to any of those vids? Is it just player saying they should get a nerf mallet, or someone on PTS saying they already got it?
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Mar 17, 2014 18:42
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Llyd posted:Has anyone done an I'll be crafting something in this game. Not sure what I'll specialize in and how hard I'll hit it at launch on my main. Given that the bank space is shared by all characters kinda of blows for crafters. Looks like the crafters will be rolling some "bank" 'toons. I'll keep an eye out for any crafting info out there.
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If you want to go a more unique route, nightblade in light armor with a destruction staff can make for a cool Dark Mage / Necromancer build by focusing on the siphoning and shadow trees!
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Mar 17, 2014 18:53
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jestest posted:Got a link to any of those vids? Is it just player saying they should get a nerf mallet, or someone on PTS saying they already got it? Beta video from earlier in the thread, not sure if this is still viable. Two high level DKs dualing at the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMuP8UdChrw
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Mar 17, 2014 18:56
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G.I. Jaw posted:If you want to go a more unique route, nightblade in light armor with a destruction staff can make for a cool Dark Mage / Necromancer build by focusing on the siphoning and shadow trees! I wouldn't say Necromancer since no necromancy is involved, but yeah. I saw an interesting video about this last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFnKo1eMMHE
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Mar 17, 2014 19:36
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Regarding being "magey", as a level 11 orc sorcerer in Cyrodiil I was basically tickling people with my spells that had been doing good damage in PvE. I know there are more viable ranged classes/builds considering the multiple occasions where one or two players reduced my health to zero in seconds but it's kind of lovely if just playing a sorc and using spells from all three trees plus a weapon ability is gimping yourself. SWTOR of all MMOs did the PvP bolstering thing decently where high level characters had a utility advantage but low levels could still do respectable damage and present a threat.
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Mar 17, 2014 19:36
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Cnaiur posted:But still, peak hours on US servers are during the time where I'd really should be asleep. Work and social obligations would cry beautiful tears because of my sleep deprived attitude. Yeah this is pretty much why I am going EU server, I went with a US server for FF14 because I had some friends there, which was okay the first month. But after that the place just got so deserted during the times I played. So I hope there will at least be some presence on EU servers, since no one I know really committed to getting it yet. I don't care what alliance (explorer pack anyway, so I am flexible), I just wouldn't like to play the outnumbered one.
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DaitoX posted:Yeah this is pretty much why I am going EU server, I went with a US server for FF14 because I had some friends there, which was okay the first month. But after that the place just got so deserted during the times I played. DaitoX posted:So I hope there will at least be some presence on EU servers, since no one I know really committed to getting it yet. I don't care what alliance (explorer pack anyway, so I am flexible), I just wouldn't like to play the outnumbered one. But I guess we need some kind of poll too...
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Mar 17, 2014 20:06
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Liberatore posted:I wouldn't say Necromancer since no necromancy is involved, but yeah. I saw an interesting video about this last night: Hey you can summon shades alright, let me have my dream character! 
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Mar 17, 2014 20:23
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I ran both a DK resto/destruction/light armor build and a DK sword and board/dual wield/heavy armor stealth build. Both were viable. The ability to live longer from the DK line works pretty well. So does the control spells. Several times the AOE root held a keep.
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I saw a few bonuses to sneak in the medium armor abilities, but do they have a sound value for each armor type? So, for example, if I wear heavy armor I will naturally sneak worse than in medium armor or light armor because of the armor alone, assuming I have no skills for any of them?
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Mar 17, 2014 20:35
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If you don't have a passive, you don't have a bonus for medium armor, so they would each be equally as stealthy. Just choose armor based on mana, endurance, or health. They are pretty much split based off of that. If you want to be even more stealthy, do medium, but most of the activities we did this may not be that useful.
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Mar 17, 2014 20:37
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Third World Reggin posted:If you don't have a passive, you don't have a bonus for medium armor, so they would each be equally as stealthy. Does the medium armor critical for melee attacks apply to the nightblade spells? I kind of assumed the obvious ones would count as melee including impale even though it was morphed to ranged from a melee ability. I'm torn between going light armor for the huge reduction in mana costs of spells and medium for the stealth and crit. I don't know why I'm so hellbent on playing a nightblade when it seems like the other classes get better abilities.
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Mar 17, 2014 21:20
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One of the cool things about bow sorc is that you get a lot of spells that have a delayed damage effect. So you stack them up then they all process at once for 60-80% of someone's health. If anyone played Ultima Online its a lot like explosion>energy bolt>halberd hit. This game actually feels a lot like ultima to me, ttk is low, burst is high, but healing is good to compensate.
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If anyone knows where to find the formulas on mitigation due to armor and spell resistance that would be appreciated.
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