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Amergin posted:jealous beta male 
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It seems like a disproportionate number of doctors, lawyers, and engineers - generally smart people, are conservative. I first noticed this when reading about the origins of Al Quaeda, and how a lot of extremists come from otherwise affluent engineering and medical backgrounds.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:06
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This really bugs me. Which one is it? Are you admitting you were wrong that women should just trust the system to get equal pay, or were you "inarticulate", thus having the right idea but you expressed it the wrong way? It can't be both.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:07
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Boon posted:It seems like a disproportionate number of doctors, lawyers, and engineers - generally smart people, are conservative. I first noticed this when reading about the origins of Al Quaeda, and how a lot of extremists come from otherwise affluent engineering and medical backgrounds. All of those fields deal with narrow realms of knowledge where there are usually "right" or "wrong" answers. It makes it easier to start looking at the problems of the world around you in similar ways.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:08
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Glad we fixed our healthcare http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2014/10/10/Ebola-Patient-Needs-500000-Cover-Medical-Bills edit: Well, he's white, so maybe people will care.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:08
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Cheekio posted:Glad we fixed our healthcare It's pretty hosed up NBC isn't covering this as a PR move. This is a workplace related illness.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:10
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Wait, he had travelers insurance, that's got to be good for something, right?quote:The cost of the evacuation flight from Liberia to Omaha alone cost $150,000, not including the 40-person medical team that accompanied him on the flight, according to the campaign. Mukpo did have travelers’ insurance, but the policy excludes “catastrophic events or outbreaks,” and won’t pay for the treatment, the GoFundMe campaign says. Trabisnikof posted:It's pretty hosed up NBC isn't covering this as a PR move. This is a workplace related illness. edit: Yeah, he's an independent contractor and it would be bad precedent to provide for them beyond a bimonthly paycheck. Pythagoras a trois fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 10, 2014 18:14
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gently caress this country.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:15
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Trabisnikof posted:All of those fields deal with narrow realms of knowledge where there are usually "right" or "wrong" answers. It makes it easier to start looking at the problems of the world around you in similar ways. And also tend to be high-paying, leading to the FYGM mentality in degrees and losing touch with those not as well off.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:23
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Pohl posted:Have you ever talked to a corporate lawyer? Yes. I have definitely talked to a number of the ~200 corporate lawyers I work with. In Washington DC where talking about politics actually does happen in the workplace. The majority are liberal, including on economic issues (on social issues, it's a vast majority). Look! We both have anecdotes on our side! (I've also looked at donation patterns for lawyers and surveys of self-expressed affiliation based on employment, both of which support my point with real data, unlike your "my friend" story.)
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Oct 10, 2014 18:24
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I'm not sure about lawyers, but Democrats buy the most campaign ads on 'Judge' shows. Republicans target the nightly news.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:26
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Kalman posted:Yes. I have definitely talked to a number of the ~200 corporate lawyers I work with. In Washington DC where talking about politics actually does happen in the workplace. The majority are liberal, including on economic issues (on social issues, it's a vast majority). Look! We both have anecdotes on our side! A paralegal idolizing lawyers 
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Oct 10, 2014 18:28
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everyone (except for the fedsoc insurgency) begins law school as an idealistic liberal and leaves a self-hating whore. the ones that change their politics are the ones that are better at rationalizing their decisions. edit: initially wrote self hating horror by accident, still appropriate
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Oct 10, 2014 18:28
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Yeah, by all means let's take issue with the assertion that people in sales and marketing are aggressive dillholes with no capacity for introspection. AIM FOR VICTORY IN THE BATTLE YOUVE CHOSEN.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:42
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zoux posted:A paralegal idolizing lawyers Sorry, I'm a lawyer. (I actually idolize our paralegals for making my life much easier.) I know that people don't like to be contradicted and all, but the data says you are wrong. (A bonus link.) (For obvious reasons, the majority of lawyers who make political donations are from large well-paying law firms; AAJ is the trial lawyers group, the remaining firms on the list are just big firms, almost all of which have large corporate law practices.)
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Oct 10, 2014 18:42
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Jagchosis posted:everyone (except for the fedsoc insurgency) begins law school as an idealistic liberal and leaves a self-hating whore. the ones that change their politics are the ones that are better at rationalizing their decisions. This is untrue. Many of us go to the NYC legal market, where the word is "hooer".
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Oct 10, 2014 18:45
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That is just an awesome link, thanks for throwing it in.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:46
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SedanChair posted:Yeah, by all means let's take issue with the assertion that people in sales and marketing are aggressive dillholes with no capacity for introspection. AIM FOR VICTORY IN THE BATTLE YOUVE CHOSEN. It's fantastic, he even said "Beta Male".
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Oct 10, 2014 18:56
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I read that article and I agree with talon is that its a badly written and disorganized slog but I differ on why. It feels more like he's got the tail of an idea and he's figuring it out but hasn't worked it out yet so he doesn't know how to present it and is running down the occasional rabbit hole that is unrelated. I can sympathize with that. Also he's heavily indulging in confirmation bias using examples that don't actually demonstrate what he is trying to say. This gives the impression that he is completely full of poo poo when he's more like 75% poo poo. The Thatcher vs bin Ladin thing, for example. First of all, there is a big difference between a natural death and sending commandos in to kill someone. Being uncomfortable because bin Ladin was summarily executed without a trial is explainable whether or not he was in, out, or un-grouped. Bin Ladin death partiers are generally people who will openly say they would have happily pulled the trigger. People playing Ding Dong the Witch is Dead for thatcher would be appalled at the thought of harming or killing her ... And their reaction would be different had she met her end violently. Furthermore, by suggesting that the people celebrating bin Laden's murder were out-grouping him the author contradicts his own central thesis that the out-group isn't foreign people far away but rather local people slightly different. ( Hint: it can be either. In/out groups are fluid social constructs. The author never quite gets there and merely tries to replace one rigid definition with another. ). Additionally, if his purely team based explanation was accurate you'd see similar rejoicing on the left for the deaths of other thatcher like figures. But you don't. Thatcher was a traitor. A self-hating person like Carson or Schlaflay who got into a position of significant power then turned around and used that power against her own roots. She didn't just punch down, she did so with the zeal and arrogance that only a self-hater sucking up to an in-group can display. "I don't care what my miners talk about, as long as they do what I say". Imagine a US president saying that on purpose, knowing he was being recorded for public viewing. Now imagine it being a Biden type person instead of a Romney type person. You kind of suspected Romney thought that all along. But you expected better of Biden and from him it would have an element of betrayal which would kick the emotional response up several notches. Lastly you have the issue of harm. Most bin Ladin partiers were not personally harmed in any way by 9-11. No one they know was in the towers. And I doubt anyone would criticize celebration on the part of someone who actually lost someone on 9-11. I might find not share their bloodlust, but I'd completely understand. Thatcher's privatization schemes, otoh, took healthy manufacturing towns and spiked their unemployment as high as 38% (Manchester). Thirty-eight loving percent. You don't need abstract thinking about in/out group dynamics to explain people being mad at an individual who is directly responsible for severe financial hardship for themselves and their loved ones. Blegh. TL:DR If you want to make a specific point you can't just link that. Its to scattered. I honestly don't know what you were trying to communicate by posting it. You need to explain what part of his rambling is applicable to the topic at hand and once you've done that ... well then there isn't much point in the link. Just link to the studies he referenced instead.
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Oct 10, 2014 19:02
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Pohl posted:That is just an awesome link, thanks for throwing it in. No problem, it's got lots of fun things buried in it. For example, the top 3 occupations by total given are attorney, retired, and homemaker. These three massively outweigh other professions (for example, homemakers give twice as much as CEOs and executives combined.) But no, of course no one gives money in their parents'/spouses' names to evade contribution caps!
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Oct 10, 2014 19:03
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Talmonis posted:It's fantastic, he even said "Beta Male". I like how Amergin was able to turn it into a racial issue. Kalman posted:No problem, it's got lots of fun things buried in it. Oh yeah, I know how that crap works. I just really love me some visual aids. Thanks again! Edit: I actually appreciate the breakdown. That was cool, too. Pohl fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 10, 2014 19:03
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Kalman posted:No problem, it's got lots of fun things buried in it. That never, ever would happen, it would be coordination! :looks the other way when giving out account and routing info for wiring some of your kids' trust fund directly to the account: Just make an X on this paper, and this paper, and we're good.
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Oct 10, 2014 19:06
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Remember when Bernie Sanders introduced an Amendment to the Constitution that would address campaign finance? :dreamysigh:
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Oct 10, 2014 19:33
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Kalman posted:No problem, it's got lots of fun things buried in it. You do realize that spouses tend to share money right? It's not surprising at all that there would be lots of homemaker contributions, since there's lots of homemakers. Old people are huge money fountains for all sorts of crap, not just political contributions.
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Oct 10, 2014 19:38
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Trabisnikof posted:All of those fields deal with narrow realms of knowledge where there are usually "right" or "wrong" answers. It makes it easier to start looking at the problems of the world around you in similar ways. Doctors are actually just engineers diagnosing problems with machines that happen to be made of meat instead of metal, if you think about it. It makes the similarities between their outlook ad that of the typical engineer much less surprising.
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Oct 10, 2014 19:40
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Reminder that the supposed egalitarian party wanted to make it illegal for an idealistic 17-year old to donate $20 to Obama.
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Oct 10, 2014 19:43
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Talmonis posted:It's fantastic, he even said "Beta Male".  Like every single other thing he posts, I do not think that was a sincerely held belief.
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Oct 10, 2014 19:46
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McAlister posted:Additionally, if his purely team based explanation was accurate you'd see similar rejoicing on the left for the deaths of other thatcher like figures. But you don't. I mean, people had a great time of it when Reagan died. "I threw a barbecue when Reagan died. Straight the gently caress up — a Reagan’s Dead Barbecue. Kept it negro as a motherfucker." ~ Michael "Killer Mike" Render
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Oct 10, 2014 20:09
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SALT CURES HAM posted:I mean, people had a great time of it when Reagan died. What the hell is wrong with having a party when Reagan died? Or Thatcher? They were horrible people, gently caress both of them.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:14
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Pohl posted:What the hell is wrong with having a party when Reagan died? Or Thatcher? They were horrible people, gently caress both of them. Ask not for whom the bell tolls...
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Oct 10, 2014 20:17
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zoux posted:Ask not for whom the bell tolls... I'll certainly die someday, but I won't be a loving horrible person like Reagan and Thatcher. I couldn't even come close. Edit: they were just really bad horrible lovely people. gently caress them.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:21
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Pohl posted:What the hell is wrong with having a party when Reagan died? Or Thatcher? They were horrible people, gently caress both of them. Sometimes it helps to remember that people are people, we're all products of combinations of our upbringing, life experiences and genetics, and that as randomized products of these combinations we have different priorities, different beliefs, different ethical systems. Celebrating or wishing for the death of someone because their beliefs are different than yours is not a trait you should advertise, it's a trait you should analyze, understand and suppress. Except for Wendy Davis, gently caress her. God I just listened to the last debate between her and Abbott - a scarecrow propped up against the mic would have seemed like a wonderful candidate in comparison to Abbott, but somehow Wendy Davis just made the sound a wet fart makes into the microphone and honestly made me go all accelerationist on the Texas governor race.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:22
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Pohl posted:I'll certainly die someday, but I won't be a loving horrible person like Reagan and Thatcher. That aphorism isn't about mortality it's about how the death of any person diminishes all of us.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:22
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zoux posted:That aphorism isn't about mortality it's about how the death of any person diminishes all of us. It really doesn't, because the world was a better place when they died.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:26
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Nope, sorry. Thatcher and Reagan's deaths were genuinely good things. They had the chance to be good people, and instead dedicated their lives to cruelty, greed and spite.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:27
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Pohl posted:It really doesn't, because the world was a better place when then died. An Angry Bug posted:Nope, sorry. Thatcher and Reagan's deaths were genuinely good things. They had the chance to be good people, and instead dedicated their lives to cruelty, greed and spite. Wouldn't it have been better for them to live and repent and become voices of the left? Wouldn't you prefer a tearful apology from the both?
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Oct 10, 2014 20:28
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The only pit Thatcher couldn't close was her own. At least not until the end.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:29
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Pohl posted:It really doesn't, because the world was a better place when they died. Neither of them had any power or direct influence at the times of their deaths. Sorry about your bloodlust.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:29
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If Thatcher and Reagan could have rehabilitated their images, they would have done it long before Alzheimers/strokes took them. The only tragedy in either death is that it took too long. Trolls want to point this as inhuman (and somehow 'in-liberal'), but gently caress it: "I glad he dead." - Killer Mike.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:33
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Oh no people being happy when a genuinely awful person dies of a natural death instead of the bullet they deserved years ago, gotta let them know that they're the real monsters 
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