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Citizen Tayne posted:They're saying "we're going to demand so much of you that you can't expect to have a normal life or reproduce within the usual biological limits." That's super hosed up.
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pr0zac posted:you mean like the four months paid maternity/paternity leave facebook offers? oh wow, four months lmao
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FMguru posted:theres also the stigma that will be associated with any woman who doesnt get her ovaries harvested. women with kids will find the ladder even harder to climb in the future because hey if they were really dedicated to the job they would have taken advantage of freezing their eggs instead of selfishly having kids to be honest, the suggestion that your eggs can be frozen so that you can follow your genetic imperative when you're too old to be useful to your corporate sponsors is pretty sexist and ageist in itself.
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Oct 16, 2014 17:52
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egg freezing is bad policy if it's the only pro-family policy a company offers, but I don't see anything sinister about giving a woman a choice to work in her 30s and maybe take time off or focus on a child later. "baby or work in my 30s?" is a choice men don't have to make, and this policy helps women at apple and Facebook not have to make that choice
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Oct 16, 2014 17:53
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FMguru posted:theres also the stigma that will be associated with any woman who doesnt get her ovaries harvested. women with kids will find the ladder even harder to climb in the future because hey if they were really dedicated to the job they would have taken advantage of freezing their eggs instead of selfishly having kids presumably this option is provided by the health insurance company and no information about he procedure is communicated back to hr, because l o l otherwise
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Oct 16, 2014 17:55
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Pinterest Mom posted:presumably this option is provided by the health insurance company and no information about he procedure is communicated back to hr, because l o l otherwise you must be new to america
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Oct 16, 2014 17:55
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Citizen Tayne posted:oh wow, four months lmao sonic boom from those goal posts flying so fast
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Pinterest Mom posted:egg freezing is bad policy if it's the only pro-family policy a company offers, but I don't see anything sinister about giving a woman a choice to work in her 30s and maybe take time off or focus on a child later. "baby or work in my 30s?" is a choice men don't have to make, and this policy helps women at apple and Facebook not have to make that choice Men have vibrant and useful careers (in technology or elsewhere) in their 40s and 50s. The assumption here is that women are freezing their eggs to have kids at those ages because they're no longer useful and won't have the same sort of career a man might at those ages. Why is that?
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pr0zac posted:you mean like the four months paid maternity/paternity leave facebook offers? that's nice of them, why it's almost the federally mandated minimum that you get at every job in Canada
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Oct 16, 2014 17:56
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four months of paid leave can you even imagine the luxury
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pr0zac posted:sonic boom from those goal posts flying so fast I said "other developed countries."
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Pinterest Mom posted:presumably this option is provided by the health insurance company and no information about he procedure is communicated back to hr, because l o l otherwise This just so happens to be my area of expertise, and if you knew what went back to HR you'd poo poo your pants.
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Oct 16, 2014 17:58
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do they offer $20k for daycare too?
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Oct 16, 2014 17:59
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Shifty Pony posted:do they offer $20k for daycare too? civilised countries also have socialised or semi-socialised child care.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:01
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if you have employer-sponsored healthcare in the USA and your employer operates on a pass-through self-funded basis, someone in HR can tell you exactly what procedures you've ever had under their insurance.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:03
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Citizen Tayne posted:employer-sponsored healthcare in the USA and your employer operates on a pass-through self-funded basis would you say this is common? i don't know what that second part means.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:05
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Pinterest Mom posted:have you spoken to a woman about this lady doctors do this all the time and they all agree/get pissed about it because it is super hosed up to expect someone to choose between having a career and having a family the sad thing is that many of them justify it because, you know, they're saving lives (ignoring for the moment that man doctors do not hafta make this choice or that other countries do not expect/demand this of their doctors) but lmao at the idea of writing loving software hard enough to put off/give up having a family
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Oct 16, 2014 18:10
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:would you say this is common? i don't know what that second part means. There are two kinds of large group customers from the POV of an insurance company: Risk and non-risk. Risk customers pay a premium based on their employee make-up. They are placed in a risk pool with other similar risk customers and an actuary calculates what the insurance company needs to charge as a premium for each contract in that pool that matches a risk tier in order for the insurance company to cover expected costs (based on revenue estimation and past trends) plus a few percentage points to run the business. Non-risk customers pay their own claims. If you, Jim Smith, have rear end surgery because you jammed something up your rear end, the insurance company pays the claim, tacks on 3.5% admin to pay expenses, and bills the group policy holder the exact amount. Non-risk plan admins get all your PHI because they want to make sure they're getting what they pay for. If you work for a big company, they are almost certainly non-risk and it is getting more common every day.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:11
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It won't specifically say "Jim Smith, rear end Surgery" but the product type will be abstracted, the provider will be listed, and a claim dollar amount will be listed. That's really all you need to know.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:14
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Citizen Tayne posted:Men have vibrant and useful careers (in technology or elsewhere) in their 40s and 50s. The assumption here is that women are freezing their eggs to have kids at those ages because they're no longer useful and won't have the same sort of career a man might at those ages. Why is that? exactly the choice between career and children is not one that men are expected to make funnily enough the majority of single parents are also women but lol if they didn't roll out some kinda on-site daycare option first before being all WORK UNTIL YOU'RE BARREN probably because daycare is more expensive than having insurance cover egg harvesting
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Oct 16, 2014 18:14
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i imagine this combines wonderfully with truvada and hormone treatments
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Oct 16, 2014 18:15
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Shifty Pony posted:do they offer $20k for daycare too? fyi that is six to ten months of day care in silicon valley
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Oct 16, 2014 18:15
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oh yeah and if you wanna get your eggs harvested then you've gotta get off birth control and not have any sex whatsoever for a month or three before undergoing surgery that, in addition to the standard surgical risks, has a chance of leaving you infertile
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Oct 16, 2014 18:16
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Sagebrush posted:fyi that is six to ten months of day care in silicon valley funny, it's 2857 days of daycare in québec
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Oct 16, 2014 18:18
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Sagebrush posted:fyi that is six to ten months of day care in silicon valley wow sounds like there's a lot of money to be made in daycare in silicon valley!
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Shifty Pony posted:do they offer $20k for daycare too? reminder that a healthy white lady with a postgraduate degree can sell her eggs for an upwards of $10k i've even seen ads for $15k in the campus paper and that was years ago
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:but lmao at the idea of writing loving software hard enough to put off/give up having a family  browser plugin!
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Oct 16, 2014 18:22
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FMguru posted:
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Oct 16, 2014 18:22
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:reminder that a healthy white lady with a postgraduate degree can sell her eggs for an upwards of $10k that is less because the eggs are intrinsically valuable, and more because the procedure to extract eggsis so nightmarishly awful you have to pay someone $10k to undergo it for comparison, sperm donors make like $500 a shot
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Oct 16, 2014 18:24
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Pinterest Mom posted:funny, it's 2857 days of daycare in québec the cost of living in the san francisco bay area is inflated, you say?? if i move back to canada it's going to be to montreal. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:wow sounds like there's a lot of money to be made in daycare in silicon valley! there is. i have some friends out here who are paying 2400 a month for day care for their toddler. the mother brings home about 3000 a month after tax. the 600 dollars is a pittance where they live so basically she's working at $tech_place for no extra money while not seeing her kid just in order to be assured that she won't be fired and made unemployable because she took a year or two off in the middle of ~her career~ the americans!
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Citizen Tayne posted:There are two kinds of large group customers from the POV of an insurance company: Risk and non-risk. Citizen Tayne posted:It won't specifically say "Jim Smith, rear end Surgery" but the product type will be abstracted, the provider will be listed, and a claim dollar amount will be listed. That's really all you need to know. interesting, ty 
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Oct 16, 2014 18:26
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:interesting, ty It's what I do!
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that is less because the eggs are intrinsically valuable, and more because the procedure to extract eggsis so nightmarishly awful you have to pay someone $10k to undergo it i have heard it is extremely painful (in addition to being serious abdominal surgery that may leave you infertile, of course)
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Citizen Tayne posted:It won't specifically say "Jim Smith, rear end Surgery" but the product type will be abstracted, the provider will be listed, and a claim dollar amount will be listed. That's really all you need to know. Injury Code W59.22XA: Struck by Turtle
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Oct 16, 2014 18:29
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It doesn't even get that specific, but when you can see exactly what women went to a given reproductive health provider for the exact same medical/surgical product for the same dollar amount, it gets really easy to pick out what they're having done.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:32
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Sagebrush posted:there is. are there huge regulatory hurdles to getting a daycare started up there
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Oct 16, 2014 18:33
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Sagebrush posted:i have heard it is extremely painful (in addition to being serious abdominal surgery that may leave you infertile, of course) i know someone whose done it (radiation & chemo therapy) and yeah she was all AWOOHOO NO ABSOLUTELY NOT UNLESS MEDICALLY NECESSARY and yeah the yearly bill for storage isn't really much money but the procedure to get you pregnant from your own eggs? shiiiiiiit
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Oct 16, 2014 18:34
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Citizen Tayne posted:It's what I do!
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Oct 16, 2014 18:35
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:are there huge regulatory hurdles to getting a daycare started up there yes you all of a sudden make your company more attractive to parents whom you can't work to death with 80 hour weeks and will instead randomly come in late/leave early/take days off for family related things can't have that, not even for the executives (perhaps esp not for them)
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icd-10 codes are interesting in abstract, i'm really into the concept of classifying things (biological taxonomy, etc)
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