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NC-17 posted:The latest report said they were checked 5 minutes before kickoff. Which in *theory* you'd think means the balls must already be outside at that point. Wait, they were checked by officials and approved 5 minutes before kickoff?
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I can't believe this is still a story. go patriots, hail satan
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NC-17 posted:The latest report said they were checked 5 minutes before kickoff. Which in *theory* you'd think means the balls must already be outside at that point. Where's this from? Because if the balls are already outside, then when the hell did they deflate them?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So apparently it's been confirmed that the balls used by the Patriots in the second half were the ref approved backup balls, meaning the original ones were taken out of circulation. So the Patriots scored 28 points and were nearly flawless in the second half with the properly inflated balls, after struggling with the bad balls in the first. Because cheating loving rules and is funny
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I think that's like realizing you were wasting your time counting cards at blackjack because you got dealt great cards that night. Beforehand you prep to take every edge you can but if things go your way it might not be necessary. It's still dumb though, there's no reason to elaborately break the rules like this when you already have a great team on the field. Getting caught just tarnishes that
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Dirt Worshipper posted:@AbramsonPBP: Vegas has 15-2 odds that Belichick is suspended for the Super Bowl Honestly he should be. Whether deflating the balls had an impact on the ultimate outcome of the game or not (It didn't. Patriots would have won anyway), the fact is he got caught cheating.... AGAIN. What kind of precedent does it set if you do nothing? "Oh, just don't do it again, you scamp! ha ha!" Why should other coaches and teams follow rules if there is absolutely no consequence for breaking them? I don't think a fine is enough. Robert Kraft would probably cover it anyway. If this was his first offense I'd maybe be ok with a fine, but seeing as this his second (that he's been caught at, anyway) a suspension of some sort I think is justified. I'm not saying kick him out of the league forever (although if I were running things, 3 strikes and you're out) but some sort of punishment needs to be meted out in the form of a suspension.
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Bishop posted:And let's be honest. We call him billy five aces for a reason. He's a fucker but he's a great coach and has been good for the game. He just looks for edges (99% legal) wherever he can get them and doesn't give a poo poo about what the media thinks How is he good for the game?
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evilweasel posted:Where's this from? Because if the balls are already outside, then when the hell did they deflate them?
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evilweasel posted:Where's this from? Because if the balls are already outside, then when the hell did they deflate them? Just another reason why this is so maddening. How much logistical effort and subterfuge must it have taken to either switch the balls or deflate them without anyone knowing?
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Ozu posted:ball Boy + needle + 3 seconds x12, outside, with cameras around.
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It's gonna be awesome when Belichick is suspended and we still lose the division.
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evilweasel posted:Where's this from? Because if the balls are already outside, then when the hell did they deflate them? I wonder if they used more than one gauge and one was old and lovely or something. The possible scenarios are getting weirder and weirder.
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mcmagic posted:How is he good for the game?
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Didn't the refs also say the Colt's balls where fine still? It can't be a lovely gauge and it can't be weather.
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mcmagic posted:How is he good for the game? He keeps the jets in the basement where they belong and provides some of the funniest moments in sports history while doing it?
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Vire posted:Didn't the refs also say the Colt's balls where fine still? It can't be a lovely gauge and it can't be weather. That's what I've heard yeah.
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Crazy Ted posted:Bob Ryan just compared this to Watergate Bob Ryan is a noted idiot. In the grand scheme of football scandals we've seen lately (Penn State, Bountygate, Domestic Violence) this ranks very, very low because nobody actually physically got hurt. However it does hurt the integrity of the game somewhat and needs to be dealt with in some manner
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WugLyfe posted:I wonder if they used more than one gauge and one was old and lovely or something. The possible scenarios are getting weirder and weirder. Yes if you come up with incredibly outlandish and unlikely explanations for what happened, the scenarios do get pretty weird.
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I didn't think there was a chance in hell of him being banned, I just wanted a reason to say Spygate and PSIGate in the same sentence.
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WugLyfe posted:He keeps the jets in the basement where they belong and provides some of the funniest moments in sports history while doing it? Except the Jets beat him more than any team in the division. Bishop posted:he is innovative, legitimately a great coach, divides people who either love or hate his public persona. The cheating part is a shame but it provides more red meat for the media and it's pretty funny how planned out their cheating schemes have been It calls the outcomes of 15 years of games into question. Nothing good there.
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NC-17 posted:The latest report said they were checked 5 minutes before kickoff. Which in *theory* you'd think means the balls must already be outside at that point. I mean you see the quarterbacks warming up and throwing balls around long before the game starts anyway. They must be outside for quite a bit before kickoff. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-01-21/graham-gano-explains-underinflated-footballs-patriots-afc-championship-psi-panthers Apparently the kicker for the Panthers says they're checked indoors, but they might treat kicking balls differently. Who knows. I'm sure there will be several investigations with how much money is on the line.
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Vire posted:Didn't the refs also say the Colt's balls where fine still? It can't be a lovely gauge and it can't be weather. If there's more than one gauge it can be, and it absolutely still can be weather if each team started at different target pressures. The truth of the matter is the investigation hasn't given us much to go on yet, so everything until the announcement is conjecture.
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Ehud posted:It's gonna be awesome when Belichick is suspended and we still lose the division. 
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scavok posted:http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-01-21/graham-gano-explains-underinflated-footballs-patriots-afc-championship-psi-panthers Yeah, wasn't there some uproar a few years ago about how the kickers are allowed to treat their own balls (heh) however they want in regards to over or under inflating?
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mcmagic posted:Except the Jets beat him more than any team in the division. Not a high bar to clear, was it?
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scavok posted:I think it all depends on where they check the pressure. If they initially check them inside at room temperature prior to the game where they were inflated to the minimum requirement, brought them outside where the temperature dropped, the atmospheric pressure changed with the weather system, and evaporative cooling from the rain cooled the balls down even further, it is extremely realistic for the ball to drop 2 psi. However, if they brought it back to the same temperature it was initially measured and it was down 2 psi, the change in atmospheric pressure wouldn't have that much of an impact alone and that is a much different story. I have no love for the patriots, but I'm putting money on the refs not doing their job and that this is something that occurs very often with zero shits given by anyone. Balls would need to be taken from 70°F to 31°F to get a 2psi drop. A drop of 2.5psi needs to balls to get down to 21°F. You would think guys would notice that they were holding ice cubes. E: 
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Ok now I'm not sure where I got that 5 minute thing. I swear I read it in some reporter's tweet, but I can't find it now. Ignore that. In the meantime, apparently you're not even allowed to warm up the ball. http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings
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WugLyfe posted:If there's more than one gauge it can be, and it absolutely still can be weather if each team started at different target pressures. The truth of the matter is the investigation hasn't given us much to go on yet, so everything until the announcement is conjecture. I thought we already said even at the lowest legal target pressure they were 2 psi under and the weather could only account for 1 of those being generous.
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Any time the Patriots are mentioned it's already "Hurr spygate." This really won't change anyone's mind.
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@bkravitz Told if a league investigation confirms deflated footballs it will result in lost draft picks. Stay tuned.
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This is like when Phil Niekro got caught scuffing basebaĺls. Although, Niekro has the added hilarity of trying to hide the emery boards which were in his own pockets by trying to throw them out in full view of the umpiring crew.
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WugLyfe posted:I wonder if they used more than one gauge and one was old and lovely or something. The possible scenarios are getting weirder and weirder. For retesting them I read they used two different gauges to eliminate that. I assume one of those was the original one and they'd have noticed if they differed by two psi.
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NC-17 posted:@bkravitz Confirmed, Patriots will lose their 7th round pick in 2024 as a result of this scandal.
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Vire posted:I thought we already said even at the lowest legal target pressure they were 2 psi under and the weather could only account for 1 of those being generous. There's been disagreement about that because that doesn't take into account impacts and other acts that are known to happen during the course of a game that can change the internal pressure of a football. But again, educated guesses are still just that.
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Kalli posted:He's never been on it as far as I can remember, it's made up of: I realized that as soon as I posted it. He's not on the committee, but he's got clout with them and he and the Pats can submit rules changes
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Pook Good Mook posted:Any time the Patriots are mentioned it's already "Hurr spygate." This really won't change anyone's mind. It gives people like me who thinks their entire run of success is a fraud built on cheating more proof. Nothing good for the league in that.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Any time the Patriots are mentioned it's already "Hurr spygate." This really won't change anyone's mind. Except the entire country has drastically cooled on that over the past 6 years. It's still around in ESPN article comments but just look at TFF, many neutral fans here were actually pulling for Brady to get his 4th for a couple seasons now. And spygate references were just kind of treated with an eye roll and an "ok sure." So this new thing definitely damaged the Patriots image again. More so than before.
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mcmagic posted:It gives people like me who thinks their entire run of success is a fraud built on cheating more proof. Nothing good for the league in that. You never needed proof in the first place.
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evilweasel posted:You never needed proof in the first place. There was enough smoke for there to be fire way before this.
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