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SIGSEGV posted:That's bullshit on about the same level as "my rifle is anti-material only else it's a war crime so I just aim at their canteens" or however it goes, there's no detectable deceleration from firing the gun. hearsay is hearsay I never claimed otherwise 
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Pornographic Memory posted:Theoretically the F-35 is more versatile. The F-22 is the best at shooting down planes we will never fight. The F-35 though has some plane shooting capability that we will never use as well as the ability to drop bombs on mud huts, while being based on air fields or carriers so not mud hut is safe. Also what Monkey Fracas said. Yeah. If the US wants to beat up a third rate minor power they can just have a carrier barf out enough F-35s to blot out the sun and laugh at the three planes whichever country they want to bomb manages to get into the air before they get freedomized.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Goons love the a-10. Nothing wrong with that, it looks badass. But I find this save the a-10 campaign pretty funny. Like yeah, we unironically believe in the year 2015 that the best future CAS jet needs to be built around the gau-12 again. Flying straight towards your target at low altitude and using a chain gun over a multitude of weapons that presents a safer approach for your $150,000,000 airplane.
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is an anti-tank/CAS plane even necessary? between helicopters and being able to mount hellfires on almost anything it seems like the best 'CAS' plane is a AC-130 or B-52 with a massive smart bomb loadout depending on what's needed
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^^^^ 1 bomb costs like a million bucks, 100 bullets is like a tener. more kill for your tax-payer doller.ethanol posted:Goons love the a-10. Nothing wrong with that, it looks badass. But I find this save the a-10 campaign pretty funny. Like yeah, we unironically believe in the year 2015 that the best future CAS jet needs to be built around the gau-12 again. Flying straight towards your target at low altitude and using a chain gun over a multitude of weapons that presents a safer approach for your $150,000,000 airplane. you are so wrong about so much, let me help you, you nerd. 1) Products get cheaper to manufacture the longer you produce them since you can improve efficiency in the production process and no longer have to pay for the R&D. it's like, I bet you could build an a-10 for like $20 and a case of taco bell tacos. 2) The future of war (for like the next 20-50 years anyway) isn't all laser guns and cloaking planes and teleporters, no matter what the us military tries to tell you. The future of war is us shooting a bunch of muslims with AK's, or maybe North Korea. Either way we don't need some fancy laser plane, just a bunch of fuckoff huge bullets that put the fear of allah into the people it's shooting at. Enter the GAU-12 3) the A-10 is like the trench shovel of planes, it's not sophisticated, fancy or elegant. But it's useful, durable, and versatile.
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Trollologist posted:^^^^ 1 bomb costs like a million bucks, 100 bullets is like a tener. more kill for your tax-payer doller. Nice analogies. Are you sure congress didn't get this list? Did you tell them the a10 came with tacos?
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Chamale posted:Which American air superiority fighters have yet to pick up a single air-to-air kill? I suppose anything brought in after 1991 because of the lack of targets.
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Remember: The cost of one hour of F-35 flight is enough to put a kid through college.
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why the a10 is being axed:
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Trollologist posted:^^^^ 1 bomb costs like a million bucks, 100 bullets is like a tener. more kill for your tax-payer doller. well that would be where the AC-130 comes in
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Prettz posted:Yeah, exactly what place is "forward"? Are we invading Mars? There's no place on earth that can't be serviced by a major air base (provided you use a good plane and not an F-35). Traditionally (i.e. Harrier era) you wanted to be able to use a forward, improvised, camouflaged airbase because the Soviet air force had just bombed the gently caress out of and/or nuked all your actual airbases.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well that would be where the AC-130 comes in  Pew pew broadsides still a legitimate arrangement!
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The only problem with the ac-130 is that we have like 50 built and it costs even more than the f-35. America just can't catch a break
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Obligatory ac-130 viewing material http://vimeo.com/69914008
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Raskolnikov38 posted:on the other hand it can actually fly and carry ammo Has a loiter time longer than the microwave instructions on a TV dinner.
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Otisburg posted:On the commentary track for Aliens, Cameron actually apologizes for making them Marines and said as bitchmade as the space monsters make them act if he had it to do over again they would be Army. I imagine that Cameron feels incredibly ashamed about the fact that just about everyone missed the point of the CMs in Aliens and he (and Paul Verhoeven) are basically responsible for creating the whole Marine mythos when both wanted to show how lovely war and the military are.
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ArmZ posted:why the a10 is being axed: This is probably pretty close to the mark. Most of these things are for political reasons and redirection than actual combat purposes. A lot of what's going on has to do with just finding ways to maintain the status quo.
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Otisburg posted:On the commentary track for Aliens, Cameron actually apologizes for making them Marines and said as bitchmade as the space monsters make them act if he had it to do over again they would be Army. dunno isnt their whole thing that they're macho, retarded, and expendable? these are pretty much the three defining features of a marine
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Mandatory watching. Mange Mite posted:ironically isnt the f22 now cheaper than the f35? blah blah cost-per-unit blah blah blah total estimated lifetime cost. But really, giving every US soldier a solid gold rocket launcher is cheaper than the F-35 program. David Copperfield fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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Mange Mite posted:dunno isnt their whole thing that they're macho, retarded, and expendable? these are pretty much the three defining features of a marine I always figured that they're space marines in sci fi since they already group fighting space ships into fleets and navies and marines are the fight mans that go with navies Even so, if that's really Cameron's attitude about the different branches' troops then wouldn't a monster that can wreck what are supposed to be the roughest toughest gun-totenest space heroes make the monster a lot more intimidating than having one that just mows through obvious cannon fodder? Seems like making your monster less impressive would take away from the suspense
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also didnt the marines take draftees during vietnam?
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cheesetriangles posted:I was behind a truck earlier with veteran plates of "f117a" I would also like to know this.
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ethanol posted:Obligatory ac-130 viewing material
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Airborne Viking posted:I saw that scene and couldn't watch the rest of the movie, because a 16,000 horsepower 4 engine turboprop aircraft that I grew up around for 16 years sounded like a ww2 fighter from a bad war flick. I know suspending disbelief, and Hollywood cinema isn't real, and it certainly wasn't the most absurd thing in Olympus has Fallen (and that I'm probably wrong about the engine sound anyway), but I just couldn't get back into the movie after that scene. C-130's sound like a growling pissed-off Transformer, not a single prop whatever the gently caress the sound guy tacked on. 
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Airborne Viking posted:I saw that scene and couldn't watch the rest of the movie, because a 16,000 horsepower 4 engine turboprop aircraft that I grew up around for 16 years sounded like a ww2 fighter from a bad war flick. I know suspending disbelief, and Hollywood cinema isn't real, and it certainly wasn't the most absurd thing in Olympus has Fallen (and that I'm probably wrong about the engine sound anyway), but I just couldn't get back into the movie after that scene. C-130's sound like a growling pissed-off Transformer, not a single prop whatever the gently caress the sound guy tacked on.
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ethanol posted:I like when the pilot presses the 'shoot button' and the plane automatically targets and selectively fires without a crew I dunno I find US aircraft having a 'shoot all the civilians' button believable
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ethanol posted:Obligatory ac-130 viewing material it looks like a raptor, then it looks like an f35 KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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KoRMaK posted:Haha, the USA operated f35 has two engines. So it's the pirated version. I bet they added the extra engine because no one believes that the F-35 could actually get from Andrew AFB to DC that fast 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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GenericOverusedName posted:
Just hope every SAM/MANPAD on the ground has been exterminated or thar she blows. I think I posted this in the last F-35 thread but just to show how dumb this project cost is, even for killing insurgents, consider this attack on a Harrier base in Afghan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2012_Camp_Bastion_raid 8 Harriers hit with RPGs, 6 completely totaled and a C-130 hosed up. Harriers are $30 mil each and C-130's are about the same. Counting out repair costs that's $210 million in damages for 9 RPGs (about  ea. in the poo poo). Now imagine if that had been F-35s. The 2 damaged ones would've been irreparable, we all know it, because all their paint would be burnt up or whatever. 8 x $300 million = 2.4 billion for the cost of $180 in rockets. Death to America.
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ethanol posted:I like when the pilot presses the 'shoot button' and the plane automatically targets and selectively fires without a crew Almost as good as all those guys trying to shoot it down with their pistols.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Just hope every SAM/MANPAD on the ground has been exterminated or thar she blows. Lol why do we have troops from Tonga protecting that much poo poo. Smh
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hey now, I'll have you know I once shot down an attack helicopter with my sidearm in cod 4
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ArmZ posted:why the a10 is being axed: Actually there's nothing stopping them from spreading future A plane parts everywhere, except congress is extremely unlikely to OK anoither big plane project considering how much of a never ending black hole money pit this one still is. Also you should also put that the Air force is run by retired fighter jocks so naturally they're going to get boners for fighters and hate fat slow cas planes
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I like how the air force's boner for pew pew fighter planes means that they want to get rid of all the planes that are actually relevant to the wars america is actually fighting.
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BBJoey posted:I like how the air force's boner for pew pew fighter planes means that they want to get rid of all the planes that are actually relevant to the wars america is actually fighting.  (well, one of many)edit: i cant loving type thathonkey fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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BBJoey posted:I like how the air force's boner for pew pew fighter planes means that they want to get rid of all the planes that are actually relevant to the wars america is actually fighting. Also planes like the A10 are much cheaper to maintain, much lower cost per plane and actually have newer hardware compared to the F35.
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A-10 also looks cooler IMHO. F-35 looks like just about any other fighter jet made since 1960.
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etalian posted:Also planes like the A10 are much cheaper to maintain, much lower cost per plane and actually have newer hardware compared to the F35. isn't the a10 5 year budget like .0003% of the f-35 budget? lol
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