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OwlFancier posted:Seriously what the gently caress is the sense in buying bottled nitrogen if it's only 20% more pure than the loving atmosphere? Tesseraction posted:I have a feeling that small tanks are probably allowed to not have oxygen in them. By all means have me lol at how loving dumb our government are but I'm assuming it's just anything bigger than a mini fire extinguisher isn't allowed to be sold except under licence? Thing is, with the large tanks you still used to have to pay an annual fee or tank fee to the likes of BOC and then you could get refills from a depot even before licenses. That sort of thing quite enough to prevent spur of the moment irrational suicides, much like restricting painkiller packet sizes to 16 didn't stop people shopping at half a dozen chemists but still seems to have an effect. It all smacks of must-do-something-and-this-is.
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Pesmerga posted:Has everyone been listening to Nick Cave's new album or something? no we live in a failed state that's self-destructing in a fit of primal fascist screaming I'm brushing up on my manu chao right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UHds1SqG6E
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Spangly A posted:no we live in a failed state that's self-destructing in a fit of primal fascist screaming Well, granted, but this thread is a little less gallows humour and a little more Gallows today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNodyijdG_E
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was this posted? https://twitter.com/gordonmaloney/status/777624253369815044?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Jose posted:was this posted? As a lazy jew I am super offended.
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Jose posted:was this posted? Hahahahaha. That's electability right there. 
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Will this be siezed upon by the press as left-wing antisemitism, though? lol no
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Spangly A posted:That sucks. It's a shame he didn't get the help he needed. I don't actually think it's a bad idea to keep easy methods of suicide out of a normal household environment Guavanaut posted:Yeah, I am really not sure what the intended That sort of thing quite enough to prevent spur of the moment irrational suicides, much like restricting painkiller packet sizes to 16 didn't stop people shopping at half a dozen chemists but still seems to have an effect. It all smacks of must-do-something-and-this-is.
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Pesmerga posted:Hahahahaha. That's electability right there. "What? What? What? It's not racism if you say something good about them, is it? Now let me tell you about two of my many, many black friends. They were standing on a bridge..."
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i almost want smith to win so we can see how long everybody likes him for when people actually know who he is and the gears get going on the engine of hate and human misery affectionately known as the british press then i remember the plp will immediately disown him and start their rightwards march again because they dont actually like him or want him either
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TomViolence posted:It's amazing that even with much of the media and the sensible soggy centre so onside Smith seems more gaffe-prone than Corbyn's been at his most befuddled. change "much" to "most" and it's a lot easier to say for some reason
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Jose posted:was this posted? https://twitter.com/MichaelRosenYes/status/777452480523362304
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are people using nazi terminology to describe jeremy corbyn again?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:"What? What? What? It's not racism if you say something good about them, is it? Judging by some of the things coming out of the Chief Rabbi's mouth re. the anti-semitism enquiry and Corbyn, I'm quite convinced that he is of this opinion.
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Prince John posted:Judging by some of the things coming out of the Chief Rabbi's mouth re. the anti-semitism enquiry and Corbyn, I'm quite convinced that he is of this opinion. ephraim mervis is a massive wanker who should go on holiday to palestine and see how he loving likes it
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Geokinesis posted:Thread is pretty dark today. Shall we lighten things up then? It's time for everyone to vote for their Tree of the Year: http://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/visiting-woods/tree-of-the-year/ In the English category, the reigning champion Major Oak faces some stiff competition from Old Knobbley, while in Scotland the Ding Dong tree is a big money mover.
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Pesmerga posted:Has everyone been listening to Nick Cave's new album or something? Nick Cave might have actually succeeded in making an album that is too bleak for me to enjoy. Which is some achievement. Anyway, in BBC news, A journalist has won £50,000 from an employment tribunal for unfair dismissal. He worked for the Sinhala service and decided that the birth of a British baby was less important than the 30th anniversary of a major event in Sri Lankan history, Black July, when anti-Tamil pogroms lead to up to 3,000 dead. "Despite a clean record in his 18 years at the company, after disciplinary proceedings, Mr Bandara was found to have been guilty of gross misconduct and given a final written warning." Yeah, his first warning was a final warning, so when he later did something stupid he was sacked.
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Spangly A posted:That sucks. It's a shame he didn't get the help he needed. I don't actually think it's a bad idea to keep easy methods of suicide out of a normal household environment Not sure I agree. That just seems like you're giving society an easy pass. No one should ever want to die. It goes against millions upon millions years of evolution and instinct. That people DO is tantamount to how hosed up everything is. And society can drat well help with the poo poo it's causing. So yeah I'll never condone suicide but mental health care needs to be made a priority.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Not sure I agree. That just seems like you're giving society an easy pass. No one should ever want to die. It goes against millions upon millions years of evolution and instinct. That people DO is tantamount to how hosed up everything is. And society can drat well help with the poo poo it's causing. So yeah I'll never condone suicide but mental health care needs to be made a priority. Making it impossible to kill yourself except via deeply unpleasant methods isn't helping society any. It's just making it so people have less choice but to live in it. Yes nobody should ever want to die, but cracking down on their ability to isn't going to make them less likely to want to, and there's no incentive to try and fix that.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Not sure I agree. That just seems like you're giving society an easy pass. No one should ever want to die. It goes against millions upon millions years of evolution and instinct. That people DO is tantamount to how hosed up everything is. And society can drat well help with the poo poo it's causing. So yeah I'll never condone suicide but mental health care needs to be made a priority.
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I've passed on my genes, evolution can solidly go gently caress itself second example: wasps. Evolution can go gently caress itself.
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Basically genes are selfish and treat the body as disposable; the correct ethical response to this is "gently caress genes"
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Zephro posted:Basically genes are selfish and treat the body as disposable; the correct ethical response to this is "gently caress genes" Well yeah I agree. But I see this as a positive thing. gently caress genes and their control. Total agreement. But using this as an argument for suicide seems a bit... negative? Maybe I just misunderstood the original intent but making suicide easier for people just feels like giving up on the problem. I've suffered depression all my life but luckily never to the level of contemplating suicide. I'd hate to think that people would ever consider it a favour and progress to hand me a noose and tell me "gently caress society, you do what you feel is best".
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Spangly A posted:I've passed on my genes, evolution can solidly go gently caress itself 
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The current approach is seeking to mask the symptom to hide the disease.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Not sure I agree. That just seems like you're giving society an easy pass. No one should ever want to die. It goes against millions upon millions years of evolution and instinct. That people DO is tantamount to how hosed up everything is. And society can drat well help with the poo poo it's causing. So yeah I'll never condone suicide but mental health care needs to be made a priority. Eh, there's some solid philosophical arguments to be made that life is not worth living due to the inevitability of harm and suffering coming to you and the asymmetric relationship between such suffering and any fleeting pleasure you may experience.
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I don't mean to use it as an argument *for* suicide, I'm saying that instincts are a bad argument for banning suicide because instincts are concerned with the interests of genes and sometimes those interests differ from the interests of the conscious being lugging those genes around. Even if the great Corbae were to build a perfectly just society in which there was jam for everyone today AND tomorrow there would still be terminal cancer and incurable dementia and so on and I think it might be rational in those circumstances to prefer to go out in a manner of your own choosing rather than letting nature take its messy and unpleasant course. And I definitely think individual people in those circumstances are best placed to make the judgement rather than have someone else try to interfere. Edit: I'm sorry to hear about the depression, though. It's a horrible illness 
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Regarde Aduck posted:Well yeah I agree. But I see this as a positive thing. gently caress genes and their control. Total agreement. Depression's a nasty little fucker that should be treated far better than it is, but depressed people aren't really in the category for suicide. It's also not the primary cause of suicide: where depression is related, it's usually a "never again" or "gently caress no it's starting", rather than in the bleakest haze at the moments you forget what happiness feels like. Even in a society that condoned suicide (and I think the swiss programs?), depressive suicide is not a rational suicide, and shouldn't be offered unless you're something like 5 years treatment resistant without a lull, where I'd find it hard to argue that a person should be forced to endure. Nor would I ask a family member diagnosed with dementia, who wished not to lose their personality in front of us, to do so against their wishes. that is the question: Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune, Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles, And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep No more; and by a sleep, to say we end The Heart-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks That Flesh is heir to?. This conversation is still rather grim. Here's a fart joke. code:
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HJB posted:Shall we lighten things up then? It's time for everyone to vote for their Tree of the Year: http://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/visiting-woods/tree-of-the-year/ You call that lightening things up?? Original Bramley Apple, Southwell, Nottinghamshire. Nominated by Reg Harris This tree is the mother of all modern Bramley Apple trees, and was planted more than 200 years ago by Ann Brailsford from a pip in 1809.  Mulberry Bush, HMP Wakefield, West Yorkshire. Nominated by Judy Dowling It is thought that it is the mulberry bush where the nursery rhyme “Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush” has its origins.  More like brexit metaphor of the year
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TomViolence posted:Will this be siezed upon by the press as left-wing antisemitism, though? For that to happen someone would first have to say Owen Smith was left wing and keep a straight face.
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The most British tree is any tree because all it does is grow really big, suffocate everything around it, and then flop over and spend the rest of its days tripping people up out of spite
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The Lib Dems will protect your Japanese animes and cartoon porn. ( )
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baka kaba posted:More like brexit metaphor of the year Doubly so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LUaoippizI&t=1318s "…hence the demise of the British silk industry before it even began" 
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OwlFancier posted:Making it impossible to kill yourself except via deeply unpleasant methods isn't helping society any. It's just making it so people have less choice but to live in it. Except there is evidence that the Suicide Act and regulations enacting it - from the ban on publishing suicide methods to the OTC pack restrictions on paracetamol - actually *do* help reduce both the amount of suicides and the amount of harm caused by failed attempts. Probably the best example of this is the paracetamol pack size restrictions. They halved the amount of attempted suicides using paracetamol, despite being by far the easiest-to-overcome regulation in the history of drugs. It's the lowest possible bar and yet it's worked spectacularly well. Suicide is not a rational act. Of course in some cases every other alternative is even less rational, which is why I've always supported the right to die with appropriate regulation, but making a spur-of-the-moment suicide easier is not a net plus either to society or to the people wanting to commit suicide.
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TinTower posted:The Lib Dems will protect your Japanese animes and cartoon porn. ( Another reason to abhor the Lib Dems. End anime now.
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forkboy84 posted:Another reason to abhor the Lib Dems. End anime now. I know lol @ the Lib Dems is taken as read in all political discussion, but holy poo poo this is the hill they want to die on when sorting out our clusterfuck of obscenity laws?
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Sounds like the Lib Dems want to help the Japanese put Are Brave Hard Working BRITISH Porn Stars out of work. British Porn For British Wankers.
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