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Can you just shut up about how much you hate the nats? Like, we understand your opinions on it. You've been banging on about it for weeks at literally every opportunity and it always leads to the stupidest derails.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:03
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I figured you'd take the opportunity to delete the link to the ScotPol thread?
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Oct 1, 2014 00:04
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Guavanaut posted:Who has been the least poo poo recent Home Secretary? Carrying on from the other thread. Did Jack Straw do anything truly horrid? I find I can't actually recall anything about him. Like my mind just refuses to register his presence.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:09
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). There were a few in between that I can't remember anything particularly terrible about but I'm probably mistaken.
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Yes, we get it SomethingAwful forums poster serious gaylord, you can't stop lusting about Scotland collapsing alongside the rest of the UK. Move on.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:13
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It's funny how some no voters tell us to "get over it" when discussing future related stuff involving independence and then unironicly bring the subject up again when no one is talking about it out of smugness.Spooky Hyena posted:Can you just shut up about how much you hate the nats? Like, we understand your opinions on it. You've been banging on about it for weeks at literally every opportunity and it always leads to the stupidest derails. I disagree, it's time UKMT get a taste of what the Scotpol had to deal with in a constant basis. Plus, we are having the next independence referendum in the UKMT because gently caress it.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:17
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Crameltonian posted:John Redwood wants to leave the EU though whereas the Tory leadership will be campaigning to stay in (they're not complete idiots and no way big business will let them do otherwise, Redwood's fantasies aside). This isn't a very well coordinated rigging campaign they've got going here. Tory leadership might not get the choice on whether to campaign on staying in. They've been building up the grassroots anti-eu sentiment for so long now that if the referendum happened to choose to stay in they'd be making a move which would entirely fracture the everyday Tory membership from their metropolitan class. It'd be delivering defections and by-elections to UKIP on a silver platter. My guess is that when a referendum happens the pro-EU Tories will make an attempt of neutrality while leaving the campaigning to Labour (lol how'd that work out last time) and business. They can't win if they choose either way. twoot fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Oct 1, 2014 |
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Oct 1, 2014 00:18
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I'm sorry for posting about the massive political event that happened last month and that one of the most stand out politicians of the recent age has resigned and the ramifications of the change in leadership of Scotlands biggest political party that will happen this month. All things that have, and will affect the UK. It should all be swept under the rug and never mentioned again.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:19
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serious gaylord posted:I'm sorry for posting about the massive political event that happened last month and that one of the most stand out politicians of the recent age has resigned and the ramifications of the change in leadership of Scotlands biggest political party that will happen this month. All things that have, and will affect the UK. It's all about the way you say a thing, mate 
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Oct 1, 2014 00:25
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serious gaylord posted:It should all be swept under the rug and never mentioned again.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:27
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quote:Don't think I've heard it come up in conversation since the referendum failed. The referendum didn't "fail". It ran smoothly and with few serious hitches and the Scottish electorate was able to vote on the question posed to them. It was an entirely successful referendum.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:30
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kapparomeo posted:The referendum didn't "fail". It ran smoothly and with few serious hitches and the Scottish electorate was able to vote on the question posed to them. It was an entirely successful referendum. Highest turnout of any election I can recall being alive for and it didnt really get nasty until the last two weeks. A good advert for democracy and its why Spain are pissing their britches.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:32
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straight up brolic posted:lol that's basically what a lot of people in London have done. Don't think I've heard it come up in conversation since the referendum failed. I've heard a lot of "Obviously they need a slap, but after that we have to get on with it. Can't hold it against them really,"
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Oct 1, 2014 00:33
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If I was a No voter I'd keep my head right loving down given the last few weeks since the referendum. Gordon Brown asking for signatures to make Westminster keep it's promises, good Lord.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:33
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kapparomeo posted:The referendum didn't "fail". It ran smoothly and with few serious hitches and the Scottish electorate was able to vote on the question posed to them. It was an entirely successful referendum.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:35
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serious gaylord posted:I'm sorry for posting about the massive political event that happened last month and that one of the most stand out politicians of the recent age has resigned and the ramifications of the change in leadership of Scotlands biggest political party that will happen this month. All things that have, and will affect the UK. Oh sorry, you're right you worded it so neutrally in the OP
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Oct 1, 2014 00:35
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straight up brolic posted:was using fail as a synonym for reject Neither of these are appropriate for the referendum. It didn't fail because it ran successfully; it wasn't rejected because of the remarkably high turnout. Outside a bit of  Twittering about how votes were stacked in boxes, everyone agrees that democracy was done.Why are you saying it failed? kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Oct 1, 2014 |
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Oct 1, 2014 00:37
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serious gaylord posted:Carrying on from the other thread. So much of a racist arsehole that his alma mater's SU disowned him. Even now the board of past SU presidents is secured by glass to stop people scratching his name off.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:37
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kapparomeo posted:Neither of these are appropriate for the referendum. It didn't fail because it ran successfully; it wasn't rejected because of the remarkably high turnout.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:39
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TinTower posted:So much of a racist arsehole that his alma mater's SU disowned him. I knew there was something. I had genuinely forgotten he even existed until I was going through the list of past home secretaries.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:39
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kapparomeo posted:Neither of these are appropriate for the referendum. It didn't fail because it ran successfully; it wasn't rejected because of the remarkably high turnout. Outside a bit of Actually the referendum did fail, in a big way, don't abuse semantics.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:45
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Mean Bean Machine posted:Thanks for the new thread. I thought your posting in the Scottish political thread was hilarious  I like that Miliband is increasing spending and taxation on assets, but christ I wish a charismatic politician was pitching it.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:49
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CoolCab posted:I thought your posting in the Scottish political thread was hilarious To this day I cannot understand how they thought this Miliband was the best choice. Of course he had the backing of the unions but I still cannot comprehend it.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:50
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No, seriously. It's a referendum, not "Give Yes Scotland The Nod". I don't mean to come across as obtuse about this but I do think that it's important, it ties into a lot of the post-referendum resentment from entitled Yes groups that Scotland was "betrayed" by the electorate - the toxic, destructive attitude that the result wasn't just not the one they wanted, but the Incorrect, Illegitimate, Impermissible result. kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Oct 1, 2014 |
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Oct 1, 2014 00:50
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CoolCab posted:I like that Miliband is increasing spending and taxation on assets, but christ I wish a charismatic politician was pitching it.
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Oct 1, 2014 00:52
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Did they get together and decide that the public were sick of the obviously manufactured politicians of the Blair and Cameron ilk. That the public would respond more to a rather plain, boring man who droned on about things he obviously feels strongly about, but is unable to show any form of emotion?
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Oct 1, 2014 00:54
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kapparomeo posted:No, seriously. It's a referendum, not "Give Yes Scotland The Nod".
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Oct 1, 2014 01:00
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They really didn't have a lot of options, systematically forcing anyone too lefty out, meant that only massively tarnished Blairites and ugly boring Brownites were left.
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Oct 1, 2014 01:00
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kapparomeo posted:No, seriously. It's a referendum, not "Give Yes Scotland The Nod".
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Oct 1, 2014 01:01
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Labour don't seem to want to ditch their dated PR playbook. I don't know who they think they are still fooling with that poo poo. Look at how much better Brown came across in TV interviews and in speeches in the run up to the referendum when he was behaving more like his big grumpy shithouse self, instead of forcing weird smiles and talking like he had grown up on an island populated entirely by Scottish hypnotists as he did when he was PM.
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Oct 1, 2014 01:02
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gorki posted:Labour don't seem to want to ditch their dated PR playbook. I don't know who they think they are still fooling with that poo poo. Look at how much better Brown came across in TV interviews and in speeches in the run up to the referendum when he was behaving more like his big grumpy shithouse self, instead of forcing weird smiles and talking like he had grown up on an island populated entirely by Scottish hypnotists as he did when he was PM. I was very impressed with Brown. He will forever be remembered as the prime minister no-one voted for, but he was a very good politician up to that point and showed it in the last few weeks of the referendum.
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Oct 1, 2014 01:04
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Thanks for clarifying that then, Straight Up Brolic. Sorry if I took you the wrong way, but the tenor a fair amount of comment after the referendum was more the latter than the former.
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Oct 1, 2014 01:04
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Hopefully a helpful mod changes the thread's tag, other than that great and informative OP, looking forward to some wonderful posts.
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Oct 1, 2014 01:34
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Miliband is leader because Blair forgot to design a way to train successors once they'd run out of New Labour-era old guard on the NEC. the previous setup was far more fractitious and could exile the party from government, but it guaranteed that anyone who managed to climb to the top despite all that would be someone who could navigate a very hostile, entitled, and entrenched web of internal party reps. the reforms threw out a lot of this stuff and empowered a technocratic party forum to decide party direction, but that predictably generates technocrats with sensible but bland, unexciting ideas in the early 1990s Miliband was a fresh graduate, so he's not a product of the older era. instead he's been generally either slotted into safe areas or appointed to the top. ronya fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Oct 1, 2014 |
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Oct 1, 2014 04:41
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TinTower posted:Even so, that tax break is going to be much more valuable to those on lower incomes than higher incomes. Taxing money that you have to get by law just allows a flashy minimum wage rate that doesn't actually reflect reality (like Miliband's £8/hr rate which is actually lower than inflation-linked estimates). Something like 16% of the Living Wage is actually taxation. And even at the most pessimistic estimates, bringing back the 50p tax rate would easily pay for a tax threshold linked to NMW. e: also, raising the personal allowance to £13,500 would save you £700/year if you were working 40 hrs/week on the current minmum wage. Assuming inflation doesn't exceed the 2% target over the next five years, raising the NMW to £8/hr would increase the same person's real disposable income by around £1300/year. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Oct 1, 2014 |
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Oct 1, 2014 07:10
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Extreme0 posted:Plus, we are having the next independence referendum in the UKMT because gently caress it. That's not going to happen. The SNP seem intent on pursuing UDI. But rest assured, if there were to be another one any time soon I'd knock up an OP and we would continue where we left off.
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Oct 1, 2014 07:25
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*in slightly politically incorrect asian voice* Erection chat: Who are people itt planning on voting for in the next election? I see a lot of talk of the tories being hosed and the lib dems being hosed and also labour being hosed from various people so I guess it would be interesting to know rather than who people think aren't going to get in, the people they are actually going to vote for. Personally, i'll probably vote lib dem again, despite all their broken promises and poo poo.
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Oct 1, 2014 08:16
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I'll vote labour as I always do.
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Oct 1, 2014 08:38
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Yeah I'll be voting Labour too. I remember the suckers in the last general election thread voting lib dem who would not be told. Naivety abounds.
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Pissflaps posted:Yeah I'll be voting Labour too. As much as they've been ineffectual at stopping the Tories for the last four years, I generally agree with Lib Dem policies more than the other two parties. I don't really want to vote for a Labour party I don't like just in the hope of stopping Tories. And whichever of them gets in I'd rather it's in coalition than an outright majority.
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