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Jeedy Jay posted:I remember this game having an 80's-sitcom-like obsession with discussing gender relations, although I wonder if I'm just exaggerating things in my mind. Looking forward to seeing this play out. As we have seen, Tia is a leading spokeswoman for  .The biggest thing the remake does, from what I seem to remember, is makes her Amy Rose. EDIT: Also the Catfish Jewel is loving ludicrous for the point of the game you get it at, so that's probably why it's a random drop from a boss.
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PFlats posted:I really prefer his 4 form to his M form for some reason. Not sure why, just feels more useful. Well, generally by the time you can get to the final rank you've got other capsule monsters that are overall just more useful.
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Yeah, the catfish jewel is something you use for its IP Effect, not its stat bonuses.Aerdan posted:Incidentally, the sinistrals are referred to in the Japanese script as gods, at least prior to the remake. This being the 90s, Nintendo obviously made them change that in the localization of the first Lufia title. It's changed in 2, too. "Super beings" all over the place. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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N.N. Ashe posted:Oh and vote BENCH because the fire elemental is good for one thing - keeping the bench warm Everything that isn't the Light-elemental capsule monster is worthless, but I guess our friend the BENCH will at least keep the spot warm until then. Charlett posted:I never saw it as a forceful issue, I mean, why *wouldn't* Maxim want her along if she is capable in battle, which apparently she is? (she just needed some spells to make it work). The amusing part is that Tia is by far the worst party member in the game statistically, with her only competition for the spot getting the advantage of a weapon that multi-targets.  This game does a lot to make Magic just as useful as physical attacks, but Tia's utility will quickly drop off as soon as she's not the only one filling the "spellcaster" niche in the party.
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Blastinus posted:Not to say that you can sleepwalk through the rest of the game, but I don't remember any future bosses aggravating me nearly as much. The first fight with Idura sticks out to me as the only other mandatory speed bump, mostly because of arbitrary party limits.
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Blastinus posted:One important detail to note is that the party members who fight alongside you are all, almost to a man, born prodigies. Destiny is a weird thing. I think the one exception really is Tia. Granted, Maxim, Guy and Selan are the only ones who have that mysterious "practically came out of the womb swinging a sword" quality about them, but the other characters are exceptional in whatever field they're in. Tia's just an ordinary girl who until recently ran an item shop and can use some magic. It's not really explored very deeply, but I think a huge part of Tia's character is hidden in the fact she really is ludicrously out of her depth pretty much constantly. SC Bracer posted:
I have to say, I like the way this exchange was translated/localized a lot better than the equivalent exchange in the SNES version. Which is advice you'd be more likely to give a girl getting bullied? "Don't let the bullies get to you", or "you need to save your tears because it's supposed to be important when girls cry "?
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: But how come? Isn't it okay to cry when someone makes you feel bad? 
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SC Bracer posted:I'm like 99% sure we don't run into any catfish in the game, so I guess the glorious Namazu wasn't good enough for us DS plebs. He was too busy getting another job in a Touhou game. 
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Speaking of the GBC Lufia sequel, it's actually on the 3DS eShop now. Maybe if it gets support, we'll actually see Lufia 2 on the WiiU's virtual console! Hey, we can dream.
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Krumbsthumbs posted:It is a very powerful weapon for the first 1/2 of the game, but it quickly is overshadowed by other weapons in terms of pure power and also bonus stats. The Gades Blade is just a solid 200 boost, so eventually you'll want to use other equipment. It does however, have a few useful things going for it, the IP and the fact that it is a boss drop. There's another thing that makes it (much like the Catfish Jewel) great, but we'll get to that when we get to that.
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Torrannor posted:Legna is the best capsule monster of them all. Healing can give your party a lot more staying power. This goon speaks truth. Regna is pretty much a permanent fixture of the party from here on out. In addition, there's really no other option for that extra mode. Hands-free healing is just so much better than middling to decent damage.
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Let's see. Tall, spiky blonde hair, employs minions, casually warps into your house to steal an infant... I'd love to know how it never occurred to me as a kid that Idura is more or less literally copying Jareth's schtick.
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Blastinus posted:
At least "Someone has to take care of the newborn infant" is a far more valid concern than "I don't want to see you in danger"? 
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Xerophyte posted:I ... thought that was pretty straight-forward as a kid. The wall is closing in front of the door. You use the free box to block the wall from closing fully. I guess not everyone is reading the door tiles as it being recessed? When I was a kid I always figured the closing walls would break the box like a bomb does.
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Blastinus posted:10/10. Would let Square-Enix redesign again. God, he really does look like he'd fit right in with the cast of a modern FF game, doesn't he? 
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The whole "phantom tree" thing makes a little more sense when you realize that when Japan uses the usual equivalent, it's typically to suggest something is of a mythical, unsurpassed quality as opposed to being spectral. Elusive, but in a more legendary sense. The phantom fish dialogue tries (and fails) to play around with that a bit, but then this just straight up seems weird until you realize it's meant to be the kind of tree they tell tales about, assumedly because its lumber is so perfect for shipbuilding. Also, kid me never could comprehend why Torrents weren't water-elemental. Then again, kid me never realized that those gorems were made of mad, as opposed to being angry. mauman posted:With the best party for it no less. Only because you can't, by definition, swap Maxim out of the party for someone more magicky. Tia or the fourth Lufia 1 party member are both better in the Cave than Maxim, but you're forced to keep the protagonist in the party he's protagonisting. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Feb 7, 2015 |
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Robodog posted:It's not four Dekars and Foomy so I'm not sure what you're talking about Four Dekars and Legna.  You need someone to do all the healing!
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Krumbsthumbs posted:This might be stupid question, but save for late, late game gear, is there any class of weapons that only Maxim can equip? As in, medium heavy blades or something? I've been following along with the LP and found a solid weapon for Guy, Selan and Dekar from Blue Chests but poor Maxim still has to find what he can in the cave. Nope. Maxim gets plot-mandated stuff at the very end of the game that can't come with him into the Ancient Cave. Anything that he can wield, either Guy and Dekar can use, or Selan can use. Also, yes, Dekar's ultimate weapon is named after him. It seems like the sort of thing that would only believably happen with a character like Dekar.
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I dont know posted:Shes got the crystal shield which should help with the squishyness. Can anyone else use the snow sword? Not any more. If we were in Gift mode (and thus could choose our party), Tia could use it, but Selan's the only one who can equip the Dragon Spear or the Snow Sword, and the latter is markedly worse than the former.
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Aerdan posted:Nope. Dumped back to tier I and you have to grow 'em back up. On the other hand, they make for good trash cans for all the useless equipment you'll never need, and upgrade fruits are in the "random treasure" rotation, so it's not impossible to have a rank 4 or even rank M capsule monster by the time you hit the bottom. Thus, they're not useless, either, they just get reset like your party does.
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Relatively useless, generally unaccounted for, attacks with lightning in a funny hat? Let's name our new CM Idura.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I dunno, back in the day I remember running the Facility on 00 Agent over and over and over for about three weeks until I finally managed to finish it in under 1:50 (which in addition to mad skills and having the level perfectly memorized required an NPC to be in one specific place out of the five he might appear at). So I kinda understand the thrill of seeking that perfect speedrun. Didn't GoldenEye give you something for that bullshit, though? Like, an invincibility mode or infinite golden gun or something equally ludicrous that you didn't actually need if you could speedrun Facility on 00 Agent?
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Blastinus posted:
If I could blankquote a post in this thread, this would be it. It's a shame. Guy has Lufia 1 plot keeping him alive, but Dekar is (was) better in every imaginable way. Both Maxim and Guy are essentially the death of much more useful characters simply because they're Designated Protagonists.
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Nilbog Resident posted:A little green man, squatting, and clenching a shawl across his shoulders as he leisurely shits into a sack. Thank god I wasn't the only one. Until this thread I was beginning to think I was just somehow blind to whatever the gently caress Fujin's buttpuff there ACTUALLY looks like, but no, other people saw the same hosed up sprite I did.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:It bugs me that they used "kymograph", which is an actual thing, but refers to a method of presenting data rather than to a method of measuring things. Specifically it refers to methods like those used in a seismograph (those things that measure earthquakes and so on) where one of the axes is time. I'm guessing that the device in question is supposed to be some kind of energy-measuring seismograph and they just chose a technobabblish-sounding word to describe it...but it still bugs me My guess is that the translators ran into a "ki-mograph" (aka a seismograph but for ki) and ended up having no idea how to parse it whatsoever, so they looked in the dictionary for the closest possible word.
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ddegenha posted:You say that, but as someone who graduated in 2010, got an MA in 2012, and is about to start working on another MA now I can say that it never really ends once you get started down that road. Which road is that? The road of crippling debt, or of LEARNING  ?
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"Magical Wife Magical Selan" sounds like one of my Japanese animes. Seriously, I confused this segment for a segment much later in the game, it seems. I certainly didn't forget Asashins and Shadows, though.  Not so much for this dungeon, though, where you have the means to tear them to shreds.No, they show up in the Ancient Cave, too, starting at about 40F. The same Ancient Cave where treasures are randomized so you may not have any revival items or Rally. 
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silversatyr posted:I prefer this version of poker, I'm afraid to say... though my family prefer the stupid two cards with river version. Who ever heard of 7 card poker? Seriously. Defies the whole 5 card dealio. :/ It's mostly an east-of-the-Mississippi thing, honestly... or more notably, on the Mississippi. A lot of riverside casinos (and riverboat casinos) seem to prefer 7-Card Stud for... whatever reason.  Me, the one I could never wrap my head around was Omaha Hold 'Em. Wasn't Texas Hold 'Em complex enough?
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That is one thing the remake did right: It cut out 90% of the filler. Unfortunately, it overcompensated and cut a whole lot more than filler, too.
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Blastinus posted:Our next party member is going to be chattier and a lot more useful to boot. Looking forward to it. One might say he's even the strongest man... in the world.  Did they fix that in the European version, or did we have to wait for the fan patch?
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ZorajitZorajit posted:There are certainly worse things you could try to emulate. Like Nomura. Back in those days, Nomura was still doing monster designs and hadn't even gotten a chance to touch a character's wardrobe.
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They were so close to getting an appropriate name on their own! But no, this looks like a Zeppo, the long forgotten Marx brother who was forgotten largely because nobody cared at that point.
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Blastinus posted:Well, I think that's pretty easy to tell. I suppose he is striking his enemies with lie-tening.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:I always forget about the limited inventory in this game. It really sucks if you're me and even though I've played through this game many times and, WHAT IF I NEED THAT FIRE DAGGER?!-itis. It's an offshoot of WHAT IF THERE'S A STRONGER BOSS AND I USED MY MEGAELIXER FOR NOTHING?!-itis. I've found that the only time you don't sell equipment is when it's starter equipment that you can't get anywhere else since you never know when you might need it for some crafting thing. As for healing items: In most JRPGs, MP is a much more precious resource than HP, but you should also not be afraid of replenishing it if you need to, since most games nowdays are balanced with the idea that you burn through your restoratives consistently and don't do silly things like grind for levels or make life harder by not using any magic, ever. Regarding the Iris reveal: God drat I never noticed how shamelessly the game forced this dungeon on you. Might as well have had big flashing neon letters in the mirror spelling out "THIS IS IMPORTANT" at the end there. You literally take a detour from saving the world just so that the mysterious prophet character can spell out her alter-ego to the player. It's weirdly meta. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 10:57 on May 10, 2015 |
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At this point, I don't think even Iris knows what the gently caress she's doing. She saved the guy she's been guiding to his apparent prophesied death, and now everything is going tits up and she's making it all up as she goes. The GM's Pet NPC theory really works super well here.
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Limit Break is doing a speedrun of Lufia 2 right now, if anyone was interested in seeing it in action (and speedran).  Spoiler warnings should be obvious. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 15:34 on May 15, 2015 |
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Zereth posted:That cannot be worth it for a speedrun. How in the hell could the time lost to the many tries it'd take to get it be less than the time saved from having it around? In fairness, it was only 10 minutes lost, but yeah, he started from the beginning for that for some reason? Probably some cryptic RNG manipulation thing.
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Huh. Is that the tileset that The final floor of the Ancient Cave uses, too? I remember both of them being a glitchy, godforsaken mess in the NA version. If anyone was wondering what it looks like in the NA version, the Archive's Lufia 2 LP has a bunch of broken images, but it still has the ones that matter:   
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silversatyr posted:Be right back: Making a jRPG where the end-game sword is completely worthless except during plot points. That is, a stick is a better weapon. Hell, maybe it can't even be removed from the sheath before cutscenery. FF12, the Dynast-Blade, Sword of Kings, whatever it wants to be called when the plot references it. Pieuvre posted:That actually sounds pretty interesting to me... you could make it so that cutscenes play out differently depending on when you get the chocolatey fudge-coated sword of ultimate power, with different endings depending on how early you get it. With a bit of Chrono Trigger added on top.
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Super Jay Mann posted:I always figured that there wasn't any special reason Selan in particular was killed by the explosion, maybe aside from having less endurance than the rest of the group. She was just unlucky. "Hm, the magical superweapon is starting to resonate with humans, suggesting that they don't need gods to protect them any more. Well, I suppose I'll just send all the douchebag gods nobody likes to try to 'stop' them and let it sort itself out." Arek is sort of an rear end in a top hat.
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Shiki Dan posted:Phantasy Star II's ending is intentionally vague, but it's mostly implied that all of the heroes die in the end. I want to clarify this. Yeah, it's a Butch and Sundance Vs The Bolivian Army kind of ending so you have no idea what the outcome is? But Phantasy Star II ends in the kind of bugfuck insane way that would make Taro Yoko proud. If it weren't such a goddamn slog like a lot of early 90s RPGs were, I'd suggest someone try LPing that next. Blastinus posted:Now on to the not-so-positive aspects of this game. The translation's spotty, of course, especially with the monster names, but that's to be expected for the era. If SNES games weren't getting the Woolsey treatment, many of them ended up sounding very dull or awkward when localized into English. It's hard to say that the game's a special case there, but coming from a modern perspective, it is still very distracting. It doesn't help that Natsume were the ones who translated the game. They're kind of... historically bad, even up to the modern age. Utter flubs, untranslated lines, and introducing programming errors/glitches that weren't originally there (Submarine Shrine, anyone?) are/were par for the course for them even in the 3DS era. There's a reason the Harvest Moon fanbase all jumped ship once Natsume lost the localization rights to the Bokujo Monogatari series (even if they still use the 'Harvest Moon' name on their own original In other words, Lufia 2's handling was poo poo-tier even amongst  SNES translations.
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