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extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

this seems very well done to the point where im afraid to admit in detail what i think of it in fear of being proven wrong by greater men

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Overwined
Sep 22, 2008

Wine can of their wits the wise beguile,
Make the sage frolic, and the serious smile.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread491054/pg1

quote:

America Won the Vietnam War ! - Yes you heard right.

I was thinking about the Vietnam war when suddenly it struck me that we Americans had actually won that war ALTHOUGH HISTORY BOOKS CLAIM WE LOST.

YOU SEE THE WINNING OF WARS NEEDS TO BE REDEFINED.

It is no longer about territory.It is about how many were killed.

People are a country's most important resource and take 20 years to replace.By killing people America wins the wars.

Mermaid Autopsy
Jun 9, 2001

Vietnam has a higher opinion of the United States than France and the UK; they respect a worthy adversary http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/14...-of-power-1-02/

Also the Philippines for the same reason

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

Mermaid Autopsy posted:

Vietnam has a higher opinion of the United States than France and the UK; they respect a worthy adversary http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/14...-of-power-1-02/

The were honored to defeat you in battle, and subsequently take some of your garment making and furniture manufacturing jobs after bilateral trade agreements.

Overwined
Sep 22, 2008

Wine can of their wits the wise beguile,
Make the sage frolic, and the serious smile.
Having a ramshackle totalitarian hand jammed up your puppet rear end will make you appreciate people who just come right out and try to kill you with a gun.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe

OMG JC a Bomb! posted:

massive economic trauma, making america seem more insane than ever, draining massive amounts of money and military resources over prolonged guerrilla warfare campaigns, infinite new recruits for religious paramilitary groups, and now iraq, syria, and probably afghanistan are teetering on the edge of being conquered by islamic insurgencies.

basically osama set up the dominoes and george w. bush slammed his dumb face into them. and america applauded.

lol, indeed. obama shares non of the fault for the current state of affairs. right?

Al Borland
Oct 29, 2006

by XyloJW
the US is stupid. They try and civilize war, you don't occupy, you destroy or take. That ismple.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
vietnam is one of those wars where some of the generals were just like 'let us LOOSE we'll destroy this dam and nuke these villages and just loving murder hundreds of thousands and bring them to their knees!' but we didn't do that and just kind of dinked around instead

which is a good thing but still it's not fair to judge america's war capacity based on 'police actions'

proof of concept
Mar 6, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

Fog Tripper posted:

lol, indeed. obama shares non of the fault for the current state of affairs. right?

you play the hand you're dealt

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Moridin920 posted:



which is a good thing but still it's not fair to judge america's war capacity based on 'police actions'

On what then?

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britain occupied a quarter of the planet for ~150 years, america couldn't successfully occupuy iraq for 15 :lol:

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

Hobohemian posted:

We have a pretty sick KDA.

yeah but its about completing objectives not kills mate :rolleyes:

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Overwined posted:

Having a ramshackle totalitarian hand jammed up your puppet rear end will make you appreciate people who just come right out and try to kill you with a gun.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Lt. Chips posted:

I disagree. The US loving owns at war.

Its occupations they suck at.

I honestly think sometimes it'd be LESS bloody if we just dropped the pretense of setting up lovely puppet governments and just started claiming countries as our own like the good old days of warfare.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

Bitter Mushroom posted:

britain occupied a quarter of the planet for ~150 years, america couldn't successfully occupuy iraq for 15 :lol:

Yeah but then we had to save them from being nazis and they flow us around like a broken puppy nowadays.

Lassitude
Oct 21, 2003

Romes128 posted:

Yeah but then we had to save them from being nazis and they flow us around like a broken puppy nowadays.

Nazis were already running back to Berlin in 1944 when Americans waddled onto the beaches of Normandy. US saved France and etc from being "liberated" by the Soviets but that's about it.

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax

Blazing Ownager posted:

I honestly think sometimes it'd be LESS bloody if we just dropped the pretense of setting up lovely puppet governments and just started claiming countries as our own like the good old days of warfare.

this but unironically

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

Lassitude posted:

Nazis were already running back to Berlin in 1944 when Americans waddled onto the beaches of Normandy. US saved France and etc from being "liberated" by the Soviets but that's about it.

That's not true.

The british pm (Lol who even knows his name cause nobody care) called roosevelt for help and roose the moose slammed his 4 pound cock on the table of the oval office and the United states saved the world

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax

Lassitude posted:

Nazis were already running back to Berlin in 1944 when Americans waddled onto the beaches of Normandy. US saved France and etc from being "liberated" by the Soviets but that's about it.

yeah we stopped the entirety of western europe from getting overrun by the world's only other superpower in 1944 and then held them at bay singlehandedly for the next four decades

nbd

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe
people only notice Britain when they stick their nose in other people's business without the USA's permission. people be like yo brush your teeth and get some sun nigga, please call the us nobody cares about you britian

texasmed
May 27, 2004
usa does indeed own at war

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Come the gently caress on, americas involvement in WW2 was basically kicking a downed man, and breaking a few toes at that.
Goering started losing the war when he hosed up the battle of britain, and after russia it was basically lost completly and only a matter of time till the collapse.
Without the normandie it would only have taken a bit longer.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Come the gently caress on, americas involvement in WW2 was basically kicking a downed man, and breaking a few toes at that.
Goering started losing the war when he hosed up the battle of britain, and after russia it was basically lost completly and only a matter of time till the collapse.
Without the normandie it would only have taken a bit longer.

that's like saying oh the war would have eventually ended cause everyone on earth would be dead eventually. it's not true. america literally saved the world. and still does.

the usa literally hosed up future generations that's how hard they owned ww2

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Come the gently caress on, americas involvement in WW2 was basically kicking a downed man, and breaking a few toes at that.

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax
look at these dumbass kids who don't know the war is basically over:



sorry america's not coming to save you, it turns out that whole occupation by a genocidal empire thing isn't that bad

I mean it's 1945, you should have freed yourselves like eight months ago

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

TacticalUrbanHomo posted:

look at these dumbass kids who don't know the war is basically over:



sorry america's not coming to save you, it turns out that whole occupation by a genocidal empire thing isn't that bad

I mean it's 1945, you should have freed yourselves like eight months ago

honesty tho the firebombing was way more devastating than the nukes so we did them a favor by not loving their poo poo up even harder by just dropping nukes.

Sammus
Nov 30, 2005


They shouldn't bring their kids to a war zone.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Romes128 posted:

honesty tho the firebombing was way more devastating than the nukes so we did them a favor by not loving their poo poo up even harder by just dropping nukes.

"We did Japan a favour by nuking its civilians instead of burning them to death conventionally (like in germany)"
-America

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

Yolomon Wayne posted:

"We did Japan a favour by nuking its civilians instead of burning them to death conventionally (like in germany)"
-America

basically

took it easy on them cause they still gotta live with tiny peckers after all. and that's way worse if not comparable to being nuked

the length and girth of americas influence around the world will never be matched

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax

Yolomon Wayne posted:

"We did Japan a favour by nuking its civilians instead of burning them to death conventionally (like in germany)"
-America

sorry that was a dumb thing to say, how about

"Sorry that you're fanatically loyal to an unambiguously evil totalitarian government, and that as a direct result of that, loads of you are going to die horrifically in the midst of the unavoidable fighting we now have to suffer through in order to save the rest of the world from it"

-America

btw the woman and child in that picture were not collateral damage, they were deliberately murdered by the Japanese due to being Philippine

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Good lord, not the martyr-who-saves-the-world card.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe
plus pearl Harbor

the japanese had the balls to gently caress with the usa but not enough dick to follow through and get crazy

they deserved to get nuked.

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Good lord, not the martyr-who-saves-the-world card.

yeah the loving nerve of me saying what happened

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

TacticalUrbanHomo posted:

yeah the loving nerve of me saying what happened

Yes, muricaman came down from heaven on bright wings and saved the world, thats how it happend.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Yes, muricaman came down from heaven on bright wings and saved the world, thats how it happend.

You're welcome for not speaking German right now.

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Yes, muricaman came down from heaven on bright wings and saved the world, thats how it happend.

yeah the thing you said except what actually happened instead of a deliberately fanciful caricature of it

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Luftwaffe was pretty hosed after the england debacle, half the army was hosed in russia and the other half was running out of gas (due to russia).
Americas involvement sped things up, no question, but they didnt magically singlehandedly win the war all by themselves like its portraied.
And still most of the war-winning came from firebombing civilians, so sorry if dont view it as heroically as amercans do :shrug:

T.S. Smelliot
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Agag posted:

The extent to which Americans worship the military is inversely proportional to its effectiveness.

The extent of how much you post is also inversely proportional to how good it is. Coincidence?

Cake Smashing Boob
Nov 5, 2008

I support black genocide
I feel like maybe america would be better at war if it had any loving idea of the world around it

I mean they're pretty good at blowing stuff up, they just can't tell when/where or what for

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Dec 13, 2007

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