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UltimoDragonQuest posted:It was an interesting idea. And Bischoff sounded high as gently caress on commentary.
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# ? Sep 21, 2012 09:34 |
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# ? Apr 29, 2024 07:36 |
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You should really track down the musical performances from that Souled Out because they are amazing
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# ? Sep 21, 2012 16:15 |
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Was that the Megadeth one? Or a different one?
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# ? Sep 21, 2012 18:15 |
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:It was an interesting idea. It's so surreal because it doesn't make nWo look good, it makes them just seem filthy and not in an edgy way. The 'Miss NWO' contestants look like the worst strippers in the worst strip club in your town and the nWo literally arrives to the arena on garbage trucks. And the nWo band makes the DX Band look like the loving White Stripes. Maybe it looked good on paper but I have no idea what it was trying to accomplish.
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# ? Sep 21, 2012 19:31 |
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flashy_mcflash posted:Maybe it looked good on paper but I have no idea what it was trying to accomplish. If WCW had a tombstone, this would be engraved on it.
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# ? Sep 21, 2012 19:39 |
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The other problem with Souled Out was that it was nothing but screwjobs and Dusty finishes in favor of the NWO all night. That's expected to an extent, but the fun of a PPV like that should come with at least a few of the faces getting one over on the bad guys. I looked at the card, and there were only three non-NWO victories: Jeff Jarrett beat Wallstreet (who gives a gently caress?), Steiner Brothers winning the tag titles over Hall and Nash (meaningless because they were stripped of the titles on Nitro) and Eddie Guerrero beating Syxx in a ladder match.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 21:42 |
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AKMoose posted:The other problem with Souled Out was that it was nothing but screwjobs and Dusty finishes in favor of the NWO all night. That's expected to an extent, but the fun of a PPV like that should come with at least a few of the faces getting one over on the bad guys. I looked at the card, and there were only three non-NWO victories: Jeff Jarrett beat Wallstreet (who gives a gently caress?), Steiner Brothers winning the tag titles over Hall and Nash (meaningless because they were stripped of the titles on Nitro) and Eddie Guerrero beating Syxx in a ladder match. In some ways WCW and WWF have had opposite problems in booking. WCW kept having the bad guys win so often that the faces could never really build up credibility- WWF/E didn't and still doesn't let the heels win often enough for them to be credible threats to the babyfaces.
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# ? Sep 23, 2012 02:19 |
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My favourite match on Souled Out is the MEXICAN DEATHMATCH with a heel referee who can't work out how the slow/fast ten counts are supposed to go. If I remember correctly that match also involves someone getting run over with a motorcycle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va_mo78eEZ8 e: oh yeah and the announcer calling Eddie Guerrero a "mexican jumping bean" and Eddie stopping mid step on the way to the ring. TimberJoe fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Sep 23, 2012 |
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The 7/31/95 Observer is up and boy was it a good week to watch wrestling on TV!quote:The 7/22 Saturday Night show had perhaps the all-time most poorly-acted and dumbest skit in history. Hulk Hogan visited the Dungeon of Doom. Anyway, they're on the set and Hogan is beamed into the Dungeon by a saying, "Where is this? Where am I?" obviously showing he has the good sense not to waste his time watching his own television show. He and Kevin Sullivan then got in an argument when the really tall guy, who I believe was called The New Warrior (Paul Wight), came through the wall, dressed up like Andre with a new afro and an Andre ring outfit and gave Hogan the legendary Zeus choke and Hogan went right out. To make matters worse, for the rest of the show the announcers never acknowledged what happened, probably due to personal embarrassment, but you were left with the idea Hogan was dead. After that segment, the horrible tag title change where Dick Slater & Bunkhouse Buck beat Harlem Heat for the straps looked like an All Japan main event. Anyway, they've got Dungeon of Doom segments booked on the Saturday show at least through October, which should make the Saturday show a shoo-in for several Emmy Awards by the end of the year. They continually referred to the crowd at Huntington Beach as in excess of 100,000. Nitro news from Dave quote:The first Monday night show on 9/4 has at least tentatively been moved to Mall of America in Minneapolis with a Hulk Hogan singles match main event. There is a lot of sentiment to putting on one classic match for 20:00 every week involving guys like Sabu, Eddy Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Al Snow, Brian Pillman, etc., particularly on the heels of the Bret Hart-Hakushi match on Raw. As of last word, Snow was undecided between coming to WWF or WCW. Second-hand reports were that WCW put more money down on paper, but WWF is a much better place to go for a newcomer to be given a chance to get over, and also the WWF does a tons better job of actually making a guy feel wanted. Guerrero is almost definitely coming in, talk of potential feuds with either Pillman or Alex Wright, and WCW officials think Benoit is a good shot as well. No word at all regarding Sabu other than interest has been expressed. quote:Current idea now is to tape television every Monday night starting in the fall with one hour going live, and the first two hours of the show being taped for the Saturday Night show of the next weekend. deja vu quote:Any thought of trying to make Tank Abbott a wrestler has already fallen through after people actually thought out what they were thinking. Terry Taylor on the Hotline was negative about the idea and then said WCW had four or five guys who could stretch him. Like who? quote:Expect Eric Bischoff's best friend, Sonny Ono (who did the heel Japanese ref gimmick in the legendary Duggan-Meng match) to become a manager of several of the foreign wrestlers like Meng and Kurasawa doing the outdated stereotype role.
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 21:39 |
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Well Thank God WCW learned their lesson in regards to trying to make Tank Abbott a wrestler.
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 21:52 |
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Funny, how WWF used to be the best place for a new guy to get over.
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 21:59 |
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triplexpac posted:Funny, how WWF used to be the best place for a new guy to get over.
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 22:02 |
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Endless Mike posted:Well, they just said it's much better than WCW. That doesn't mean it's good. The WWF just tried to make a new star at King of the Ring 95, in fact they tried to make the biggest star in the history of wrestling at that PPV.
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 22:11 |
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quote:The 7/22 Saturday Night show had perhaps the all-time most poorly-acted and dumbest skit in history. Hulk Hogan visited the Dungeon of Doom. Anyway, they're on the set and Hogan is beamed into the Dungeon by a saying, "Where is this? Where am I?" obviously showing he has the good sense not to waste his time watching his own television show. He and Kevin Sullivan then got in an argument when the really tall guy, who I believe was called The New Warrior (Paul Wight), came through the wall, dressed up like Andre with a new afro and an Andre ring outfit and gave Hogan the legendary Zeus choke and Hogan went right out. To make matters worse, for the rest of the show the announcers never acknowledged what happened, probably due to personal embarrassment, but you were left with the idea Hogan was dead. After that segment, the horrible tag title change where Dick Slater & Bunkhouse Buck beat Harlem Heat for the straps looked like an All Japan main event. Anyway, they've got Dungeon of Doom segments booked on the Saturday show at least through October, which should make the Saturday show a shoo-in for several Emmy Awards by the end of the year. They continually referred to the crowd at Huntington Beach as in excess of 100,000. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLQDpdQi4A I believe this is the segment. Is it wrong that I wish there was still a wrestling show on TV like this?
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 22:19 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLQDpdQi4A Aah! it's not hot! That was the cheesiest goddamn segment I've ever seen.
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 22:27 |
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Regardless of how much it's been discussed/quoted, I will never be able to wrap my head around why they went with "Ahh! It's not hot!" Was it written to be a calm observation such as "Hm...it's not hot.." and Hogan just delivered it wrong? Was it a totally improvised line from Hogan that they kept in? Obviously the entirety of the segment is absurdly horrible, but that inconsequential line is just so baffling.
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 22:43 |
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Cromulent posted:Regardless of how much it's been discussed/quoted, I will never be able to wrap my head around why they went with "Ahh! It's not hot!" Was it written to be a calm observation such as "Hm...it's not hot.." and Hogan just delivered it wrong? Was it a totally improvised line from Hogan that they kept in? Obviously the entirety of the segment is absurdly horrible, but that inconsequential line is just so baffling. Hogan probably botched the line and they just kept rolling.
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 23:42 |
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If Hulk Hogan were locked in a mystical cavern and choked by monsters I would watch every week.
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# ? Sep 26, 2012 23:52 |
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MassRayPer posted:If Hulk Hogan were locked in a mystical cavern and choked by monsters I would watch every week. Isn't that kind of what TNA is?
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# ? Sep 27, 2012 05:42 |
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Deadpool posted:Isn't that kind of what TNA is? That sounds like a made up thing.
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# ? Sep 27, 2012 05:51 |
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Hulk Hogan vs. Dungeon of Doom produced endlessly amazing segments: http://youtu.be/LhwHPiOKQyI
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# ? Sep 27, 2012 19:27 |
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WWE needs to reproduce this angle exactly, with Cena in the Hogan role
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# ? Sep 27, 2012 19:32 |
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It'd be a hell of a sociological experiment, just to see how much more the people who already hate Cena could go. IF CENA WINS WE GENOCIDE
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# ? Sep 27, 2012 20:59 |
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triplexpac posted:WWE needs to reproduce this angle exactly, with Cena in the Hogan role Would that make CM Punk the Kevin Sullivan and Paul Heyman that old guy that just sits there?
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# ? Sep 27, 2012 21:24 |
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We could just go full circle and have Hogan be the old guy that just sits there.
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# ? Sep 27, 2012 23:47 |
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MassRayPer posted:The WWF just tried to make a new star at King of the Ring 95, in fact they tried to make the biggest star in the history of wrestling at that PPV. Do you think that Austin won the 95 KotR or that they were trying to make Mabel the biggest star ever?
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# ? Sep 28, 2012 15:11 |
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MassRayPer posted:If Hulk Hogan were locked in a mystical cavern and choked by monsters I would watch every week. we were like halfway there with this week's episode of Impact
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# ? Sep 28, 2012 15:15 |
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Karmine posted:Do you think that Austin won the 95 KotR or that they were trying to make Mabel the biggest star ever? It MIGHT be that he's making a joke. On a comedy forum.
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# ? Sep 28, 2012 15:18 |
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Karmine posted:Do you think that Austin won the 95 KotR or that they were trying to make Mabel the biggest star ever?
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# ? Sep 28, 2012 15:21 |
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Flameingblack posted:Mabel was pretty drat huge. And hell, he was as dense as the average star.
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# ? Sep 28, 2012 15:24 |
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I had also considered that possibility, but I thought "lol he fat" wasn't really MRP's style.
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# ? Sep 28, 2012 15:25 |
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liking Big Daddy #5 is A Thing that some people do as A Joke
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# ? Sep 28, 2012 15:28 |
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Yo Eleven posted:We could just go full circle and have Hogan be the old guy that just sits there.
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# ? Sep 28, 2012 21:28 |
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Save Russian Jews posted:liking Big Daddy #5 is A Thing that some people do as A Joke His wheel kick is a thing of beauty and I will not hear otherwise
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# ? Sep 29, 2012 06:26 |
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Zoltarb posted:His wheel kick is a thing of beauty and I will not hear otherwise OK, credit where credit's due, that match with Big Show was surprisingly decent.
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# ? Sep 29, 2012 09:52 |
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I forgot to do this last week so here's those Observer quotes first: From the August 7th 1995 Observer Newsletter: quote:It's virtually a lock that the first TNT show will air live on 9/4 from the Mall of America in Minneapolis. The current word is that they'll be doing three hours of taping every Monday night with the third hour airing live on TNT and the first two hours then airing the following Saturday as the WCW Saturday Night show. The 9/11 taping will be in Miami at the Knight Center. I wonder what they'll call this team... quote:There is some talk that Marcus Bagwell and USWA prelim wrestler Scott Studd (Scott Anton, a Tom Zenk lookalike) will be put together as a Fabulous Ones type tag team. They may also put the State Patrol back together (Dale Veasy & Dwayne Bruce) as a pushed jobber team similar to the role the Heavenly Bodies had in WWF. quote:Based on post-Clash tapings, it appears they are going to do an angle at the Clash where Sherri takes a bump on her head and develops amnesia, and wakes up in love with Rob Parker. But at this point Parker wants nothing to do with her. However, Parker somehow has lost the ring Elvis gave him and apparently Sherri has it. And if you thought that was silly, wait until you hear the one about Big Bubba Rogers having returned but he keeps itching himself because he's allergic to Dave Sullivan's rabbit Ralph. quote:Apparently during his last broadcast, Gordon Solie, during a horrible Dave Sullivan squash, simply said, "And they wonder why I'm leaving." quote:Hulk Hogan during a horrible interview over the weekend tried to strongly hint that Paul Wight was Andre the Giant's son, talking about how he remembered him at the Silverdome watching the match. There has been a lot of talk of billing him as Andre the Giant Jr. quote:Jim Hellwig had a three-hour meeting with WCW in Huntington Beach and Hellwig has told people the only hold-up is money, but WCW officials have indicated a deal is unlikely, partially because of problems merchandising a Vince McMahon created character (unlike Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage who were both big wrestling stars with their same gimmicks before they ever went to WWF). quote:The latest idea, subject to change, is that the Monday Night show will have Eric Bischoff & Bobby Heenan and possibly a third person doing the announcing which may be Steve McMichael, the former NFL football player who the WWF was considering using at recently as a few days ago. McMichael signed with WCW on 7/31 and will start out as an announcer, but will be going to the WCW school and the idea is that he'll wind up being a wrestler. He was to be introduced to the wrestlers at the Disney tapings. If you recall, McMichael shows a lot of fire as he did great in his angle earlier this year on Raw with Kama, but almost has to be a heel because he's got real cocky mannerisms.
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# ? Oct 12, 2012 01:18 |
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quote:Apparently during his last broadcast, Gordon Solie, during a horrible Dave Sullivan squash, simply said, "And they wonder why I'm leaving." And this is why I loving love Gordon Solie. He just did not give a solitary gently caress.
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# ? Oct 12, 2012 01:35 |
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From the August 14th 1995 Edition: On Clash of the Champions, a show where Hulk Hogan's match was put on Main Event before the show because his contract called for a huge pay day for any Clash appearance. quote:There isn't really much to see new about it. This is the direction WCW has been going and will continue to go. Two good matches out of eight and angles that people are convincing themselves are aimed at children but actually have no interest among children is not my idea of an entertaining three hours. quote:B. Nasty Boys (Brian Yandrisovitz & Jerry Seganowich) beat Los Especialistas (Aldo "Ricky Santana" Ortiz & David "Fidel Sierra" Cannell) in 2:46. They gave the Especialistas, billed from Mexico City wearing Oro masks, offense for the first 2:00. Sags then made the hot tag and the finish saw Knobs and Sags simultaneously elbow drop and pin Santana and Sierra respectively. The Nastys then went for and unmasked the two, and when the masks came off revealing who everyone knew they were, announcer Eric Bischoff said that they were fakes, that they were "The Barrio Brothers," and called them Latin homies and went on about how great it was that the Nasty Boys uncovered the fraud of them pretending to be from Mexico. * quote:3. Renegade (Rick Williams) pinned Paul Orndorff to retain the TV title in 3:59. Orndorff took control of the entire match not leaving Renegade even one chance to blow a spot. Renegade then won with a crossbody from the apron into the ring. DUD quote:4. Harlem Heat (Steve & Booker Ray) & Sister Sherri (Sherri Russell) beat Dick Slater & Bunkhouse Buck (Jimmy Golden) & Col. Rob Parker (Robert Welch) in 11:01. With the win, Heat earns a shot at the tag title held by Slater & Buck at the 9/17 War Games PPV show in Asheville, NC. Neither Sherri nor Parker tagged in until the 9:20 mark. Sherri got a near fall on Parker with a crossbody off the top which Parker sloppily sold. Sherri went for a splash off the top, missed and did a gimmick where she was knocked out. Parker wouldn't attack her while she was down. When she finally recovered, she suffered amnesia and was in love with Parker and started madly kissing him and he fell backwards and was pinned. After the match she chased him down the aisle and started ripping his shirt off. Terrible match. Funny angle. -* quote:Hogan did an interview at this point talking about how the Irish people like the O'Reilly's and the Hogan's and the McMahon's were all shaking in their boots or something because of the power of Hulkamania. I'm sure there have been moments when they were, but I hardly think at this point on this show it was one of them. Then Randy Savage did an interview with Tomas Diaz (not Villano IV), a poster child for March of Dimes with WCW vowing to give $1 out of every PPV order next time to March of Dimes. I hope they don't raise the price $3 to make up for that, although that could end up being $200,000. It was clear the kid wasn't a wrestling fan and was being exploited to get the company and Savage over, which is hardly unique in wrestling, but gets more disgusting each time it's done. Nitro running in a building Smokey Mountain runs may seem minor league, but SMW was peaking with crowds of 5,000 at this point, so it is not a small building. On Kollision in Korea: quote:Whenever a show with a different style or something new is being produced, the most important thing is to have announcers who understand what it is they are trying to do, can impart strategy, and add to the storyline. After the embarrassing job Eric Bischoff did in announcing a Japanese match a few years back on the final Japan Super Show PPV, I'd figure he'd be improved. And I guess he was, to the point he went from the level below Ed Whalen at his worst to the level of slightly better than Gordon Solie at his least coherent. He didn't screw up any names. Aside from that had nothing to say of consequence for two hours other than occasionally come off as the babyface playing off his heel buddy. He whined about the Steiners, knew no holds, understood no strategy and told no stories with any of the matches other than letting us know he was friends with Scott Norton when he was in high school and was so oblivious as to what actually goes on within his industry that he didn't know Kensuke Sasaki and Akira Hokuto were engaged (which was the talk not only of wrestling in Japan, but of the WCW office the week it happened) until Mike Tenay told him during the taping. Bischoff's interpreter and good friend, a former kick boxer of Japanese ancestry from Minnesota, Sonny Ono (remember him from the Jim Duggan vs. Meng martial arts fiasco a few months back under his real name), playing the role of racist Japanese Kazuo Ishikawa, lacked charisma and had no knowledge of the subject at hand except when the guys threw kicks. The only thing either of the two could do was during the 5% of any match where guys actually did kicks, because both have strong martial arts backgrounds (they'll probably do a decent job on the K-1 show except even then I'm leery because I have a feeling Bischoff will use the tape to try and downgrade UFC because of how pathetic Kimo looks in a gloved fight), they could correctly call the kicks by their martial arts names. quote:During the Steiners vs. Hiroshi Hase & Kensuke Sasaki match, Bischoff spent the match trying to explain why the Steiners, who he claimed wanted to be with the big boys in WCW, weren't good enough because they had ability but they were the kind of athletes that never quite reached their potential. Like earning $12,000 a week in this business constitutes never reaching ones potential. All this downgrading was going on while they were just destroying Hase with killer suplexes before everyone's eyes and the moves were rarely being called and never by any name. Tapings stuff: quote:Some highlights of the Disney tapings which took place 8/1 to 8/5 in Orlando (Hurricane Erin stopped the morning tapings on 8/2 but they made up for them later in the week): Disco Inferno (Glen Gilburnetti) was set up in a feud with Alex Wright over, believe it or not, who is the better dancer. Wright has a new music video where he does lip synching. They may build up to a dancing contest between the two on a PPV. The "Yes, No, No, yes" response that Kevin Sullivan gave in his Clash interview with Gene Okerlund will also be Zodiac's gimmick. Chad Brock, who looked horrible, got a big push at the tapings. Marcus Bagwell & Scott Studd were put together as a tag team called American Males. It's a combination cowboy stripper gimmick that some in the office are saying is working so well they already know they're going to have to turn them heel. quote:Mike Rotunda is coming in. Don't ask me why. The original idea was to hold a press conference to announce the new Monday Nitro show, and bring him in at the press conference and without saying so, pretending it's an interpromotional match.
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# ? Oct 12, 2012 04:11 |
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quote:Mike Rotunda is coming in. Don't ask me why. The original idea was to hold a press conference to announce the new Monday Nitro show, and bring him in at the press conference and without saying so, pretending it's an interpromotional match. Speaking of, do you think Dave will know about Luger before it happens? I like that Eric's got the interpromotional idea going already, he just needs the right talent...
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# ? Oct 12, 2012 06:14 |
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Astro7x posted:Then when the ref is in the ring the door is just wide open. Then I start laughing when Savage runs down and starts climbing over the cage to get in, right next to the wide open door. OneThousandMonkeys posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLQDpdQi4A These two things had me laughing like an idiot. Why does Hogan act like an Alzhiemer's patient at the start of that bit?
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