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Augmented Dickey posted:Everyone I know hates the LS, but I've always thought they had a really classy and understanded design like the old BMW's and Mercs of the 80's and 90's. I'd really like one for my next car but they all seem to be beaten to hell in my area. One of my best friends has an LS "with the Cobra engine" and it's awesome, though a bit wallowy and piggish. It's also poo poo on gas and not really all that fast. Still, better than most models of that era, by a long shot.
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anonumos posted:One of my best friends has an LS "with the Cobra engine" and it's awesome, though a bit wallowy and piggish. It's also poo poo on gas and not really all that fast. Still, better than most models of that era, by a long shot. Unless he swapped in a 4.6L, no he doesn't. Hate to be a ball-breaker, but it's a 4 liter.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Unless he swapped in a 4.6L, no he doesn't. Hate to be a ball-breaker, but it's a 4 liter. Somewhere in the 90's, people started getting the idea that if it was built by Ford (and quick), but not a Mustang, then it must have a Mustang engine. I had 93, 95, and 98 SHO's and random strangers would always be trying to convince me that they had "Mustang Cobra motors".
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So this is pretty unexpected, at least to me. Apparently there's going to be a 2015 Corvette BELOW the new 2014 "Stingray" model that will have a 5.3L engine making less than 400hp. Not sure what I think of that but if they're trying to appeal to a younger market, going cheaper and more fuel efficient is a good way of achieving that.
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davebo posted:So this is pretty unexpected, at least to me. Apparently there's going to be a 2015 Corvette BELOW the new 2014 "Stingray" model that will have a 5.3L engine making less than 400hp. Not sure what I think of that but if they're trying to appeal to a younger market, going cheaper and more fuel efficient is a good way of achieving that. A "Poorvette" if you will.
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That's great if true and if they can get the price down. For me somewhere between 350 and 400hp and under $40k would be a much more interesting car. It might even replace the Cayman as my "when my kid finishes college, I will celebrate by buying one" car.
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Voltage posted:More details released on the McLaren P1: http://jalopnik.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-1-3-million-mcla-442662563 I wonder if the top speed is tire limited. There are a lot of exotics that are electronically limited to 217mph for some reason.
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The forces a 19"+ wheel are subject to at those speeds are mind blowing.
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Chery have hired Hakan Saracoglu, the guy credited for penning the 987 and 918 Porsche's, to help style their new models. http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/DC3F120814696FEACA257B1E00253B41 I knew Kia had that Audi guy, but I didn't realise just how much headhunting emerging Asian car manufacturers were doing. The guy who designed the new mini is now working for a company called Qoros. Leonardo Fioravanti's previous works contains most of the red cars I like; and now he's working for Beijing Auto. I don't know how much the artistic vision of these people known for their sports and supercar designs will be watered down by built-to-the-dollar grocery getters, but I think it's interesting all the same.
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But that was always the thing with the F1. They set out to build the best car they could, it just happened to be the fastest, too. Top speed nonsense is for infants, it's like a Land Rover Defender or Wrangler Rubicon compared to a 44"-Swamper-wearing bro truck.
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D C posted:A "Poorvette" if you will. I really hope this gets made because a 350hp $40k C7 would be awesome, but how on Earth will it sell to the carbuying masses when the V8 Mustang and Camaro are both ~420hp? Anything that would increase Corvette volume numbers is great, but I think that the market buying new corvettes isn't very price sensitive. The difference between a $45k car and a $55k isn't that big as far as what demographics are able and willing to afford it. Most people who need a car for utility would take the fatter muscle cars if they want an everyday driver with tons of power, the price-sensitive groups will be buying C5 Z06 or C6 vettes used for a long time to come.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Unless he swapped in a 4.6L, no he doesn't. Hate to be a ball-breaker, but it's a 4 liter. SouthLAnd posted:Somewhere in the 90's, people started getting the idea that if it was built by Ford (and quick), but not a Mustang, then it must have a Mustang engine. Hrm. Looking into it a bit more, he must have the Jag V8 version. I never bought the whole Cobra motor thing, which is why I put it in quotes...I wasn't sure what it was, except it is a big, thirsty 8 cyl.
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Weinertron posted:I really hope this gets made because a 350hp $40k C7 would be awesome, but how on Earth will it sell to the carbuying masses when the V8 Mustang and Camaro are both ~420hp? You fail to understand the Corvette fanaticism.
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Maybe the market will wise up and realize the folly of the horsepower wars.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Maybe the market will wise up and realize the folly of the horsepower wars. YOU SHUT UP. YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH UP>
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Maybe the market will wise up and realize the folly of the horsepower wars. burn the heretic
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Soon weight will be the new horsepower and we'll all glide around on 1,500 pound aluminum sheet metal leaves while we wear collarless jackets and eat at taco bell with people who may or may not be replicants.
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Xguard86 posted:Soon weight will be the new horsepower and we'll all glide around on 1,500 pound aluminum sheet metal leaves while we wear collarless jackets and eat With the way the world is heading currently...
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Your life may be better than mine but I can't see how I'd get more enjoyment out of a 450hp Corvette than a 350hp version. My S4 is quick enough that the real speed limit is my own courage and I'm not upgrading that.
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Go to the drag strip and run it. Report back when your testes have dropped.
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Devyl posted:You fail to understand the Corvette fanaticism. Most rational people do.
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I think a 350 HP, 3200 LB (or less) Corvette for $39k would have a market, be perfectly capable as well as fun at the track and go 0-60 mph in 4.8 seconds. If you need to have your face ripped off at some drag strip get a nastier version obviously. Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Feb 27, 2013 |
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Your life may be better than mine but I can't see how I'd get more enjoyment out of a 450hp Corvette than a 350hp version. My S4 is quick enough that the real speed limit is my own courage and I'm not upgrading that. When cars can make 400hp and get 30 mpg and have a 0-60 of 5ish seconds and 19 bajillion airbags and fart unicorn toots I'm not going to call that a case of "my life may be better" I'm going to call that a case of my life is way more loving awesome than yours if you think manufacturers should lower the hp they are making. Edit: Horsepower wars are the best ever. TheFonz fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Feb 27, 2013 |
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davebo posted:So this is pretty unexpected, at least to me. Apparently there's going to be a 2015 Corvette BELOW the new 2014 "Stingray" model that will have a 5.3L engine making less than 400hp. Not sure what I think of that but if they're trying to appeal to a younger market, going cheaper and more fuel efficient is a good way of achieving that. Put in a 350 hp V6, and charge V6 Mustang money for it. Who cares if it's wildly impractical if it's priced like a cheap weekend car?
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Keyser S0ze posted:I think a 350 HP, 3200 LB (or less) Corvette for $39k would have a market, be perfectly capable as well as fun at the track and go 0-60 mph in 4.8 seconds.
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TheFonz posted:When cars can make 400hp and get 30 mpg and have a 0-60 of 5ish seconds and 19 bajillion airbags and fart unicorn toots I'm not going to call that a case of "my life may be better" I'm going to call that a case of my life is way more loving awesome than yours if you think manufacturers should lower the hp they are making. All other things being equal, I accept that more horsepower == better. All other things are rarely equal, though. I'd rather have a hypothetical 350hp Corvette than a 400hp Mustang at the same price point. If the focus on horsepower uber alles is keeping manufacturers from addressing other things that make cars fun to drive, then the horsepower wars suck.
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On GM's side, their biggest hp cars are also the best handlers-- the ZR1 and ZL1. They haven't addressed the market of FR-S buyers, but I don't think the Corvette platform is how to get there.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:If the focus on horsepower uber alles is keeping manufacturers from addressing other things that make cars fun to drive, then the horsepower wars suck. W-hat? That's not at all what is happening though? The cars with higher horsepower are handling better than they have ever before.
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Well, it's not really gonna win any horsepower wars, but it's supposedly 1800 lbs.
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Thats a very cool direction to go, but a 32 second 0-50 
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What's up with the rear wheel wells?
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They will have covers over them for Aero.
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Oh, that's what the article was getting at. Thanks. Rear wheel drive should be interesting with that track. Wheel covers are always a pain to swap tires for, but at least it's four bolt.
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Internet Meme posted:I wonder if the top speed is tire limited. There are a lot of exotics that are electronically limited to 217mph for some reason.
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Top speed of 75 mph? Yup, that's not going to be a big seller unless it's ridiculously cheap. Oh god, just imagine trying to get on the highway or Interstate 
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It looks like an R8 that got squished.
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Devyl posted:Top speed of 75 mph? Yup, that's not going to be a big seller unless it's ridiculously cheap. Oh god, just imagine trying to get on the highway or Interstate
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kill me now posted:Thats a very cool direction to go, but a 32 second 0-50 http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/volkswagen-xl1-2013-02-22 for example
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Well, it's not really gonna win any horsepower wars, but it's supposedly 1800 lbs. Here's an update from an article that is 11 months newer. The future is here, kids, and it will hit 62MPH in only 12.7 seconds.     VW is thinking they'll put its drivetrain into the Up! for a cheaper and thirstier ride. It will be interesting to see if VW brings both cars to market, and if either one can be successful.
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