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Zeroisanumber posted:Not without taking time to let local boobs have their say. Wait a minute, he thinks HIV doesn't exist, but AIDS does, and it's caused by sperm enzymes entering the blood cell? Man, that's a new one on me.
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Minnesota works fast and the House committee hearing is happening right now. (Colorado requires 3 committee votes in each house  )Vote should happen very soon. Good maps from a DailyKos blogger.  House left, Senate right Red = GOP district that voted Yes on Amendment 1. Pink = GOP/No Light Blue = Dem/Yes Dark Blue= Dem/No The one Republican co-sponsor is a Senator from a Yes on 1 district. Hopefully that encourages the bunch in the Minneapolis suburbs.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Minnesota works fast and the House committee hearing is happening right now. (Colorado requires 3 committee votes in each house Soon as in this week or soon as in we should check the news later tonight?
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Amused to Death posted:Soon as in this week or soon as in we should check the news later tonight? The House will have the bill out of committee later tonight, but the legislature and the governor have signaled that they're not going to take up a gay marriage bill until they hammer out tax and budgeting bills first. Look for a vote on gay marriage towards the summer.
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Hopefully the floor vote isn't delayed too long because I think a successful vote in Minnesota should make things easier in Rhode Island and Delaware. Or the veto override in New Jersey if you're super optimistic. e: MN bill passes House committee 10-7 
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Mar 13, 2013 01:14
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Hopefully the floor vote isn't delayed too long because I think a successful vote in Minnesota should make things easier in Rhode Island and Delaware. I'm pretty sure it will pass this summer unless too many rural district dems chicken out. Right now the strategy is to try and pull in a suburban Republican or two so that we can give the bill a whiff of bipartisanship.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Minnesota works fast and the House committee hearing is happening right now. (Colorado requires 3 committee votes in each house  Minnesota, you elected Al Franken, dammit. You're supposed to be a cool state! 
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Gen. Ripper posted:Goddammit why are there so many pro-A1, blue districts. Never forget that even in the 'blue' states, there are a lot of Republicans. Washington(where I live) is pretty blue, but still 40% of the state votes R reliably.
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Mrit posted:Never forget that even in the 'blue' states, there are a lot of Republicans. Washington(where I live) is pretty blue, but still 40% of the state votes R reliably. You'd think I'd remember this more often, living in the California Central Valley (more specifically, Fresno, aka "the rear end in a top hat of California"...all the good looking chicks are probably completely insane )
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Gen. Ripper posted:You'd think I'd remember this more often, living in the California Central Valley (more specifically, Fresno, aka "the rear end in a top hat of California"...all the good looking chicks are probably completely insane Or just starting their meth addictions. 
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Gen. Ripper posted:Goddammit why are there so many pro-A1, blue districts. The Iron Range is actually the reason we have the DFL in the governor's office and the legislature. They were also instrumental in taking out Voter ID that all of those light red suburbs voted for. I wish that they had been more progressive on this issue, yeah, but Minnesota's Democrats being called the "Democrat-Farmer-Labor" party kind of symbolizes how important the big tent coalition is in this state. We need to have everybody on board to stop us from going down the crazy hole that Wisconsin and Michigan leaped into. (Bias alert: I am from Northern Minnesota)
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Gen. Ripper posted:You'd think I'd remember this more often, living in the California Central Valley (more specifically, Fresno, aka "the rear end in a top hat of California"...all the good looking chicks are probably completely insane Hey, now. Let's be fair. Bakersfield is the rear end in a top hat of California. 
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Fairness is acknowledging that California has two assholes.
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Chantilly Say posted:Bakersfield is the rear end in a top hat of California. My only experience with Bakersfield involves stopping there on a road trip to grab a bite to eat and seeing the the headline on the front page of the local paper "Pack of Feral Dogs Still Menace City". Needless to say I moved on fairly quickly.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Minnesota works fast and the House committee hearing is happening right now. (Colorado requires 3 committee votes in each house So MN state senate districts are just two state house districts put together? That's fascinating.
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New Zealand's Marriage Equality Bill has passed its second reading, 77-44 (first reading passed 80-40). Earlier this week representatives from each party's youth wing came together to support the bill.quote:National MP Tim Macindoe was the first to speak against the bill, saying that he had "difficulty in believing that God wants this change to be made". The New Zealand public has difficulty believing that God exists 
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Exclamation Marx posted:New Zealand's Marriage Equality Bill has passed its second reading, 77-44 (first reading passed 80-40). Earlier this week representatives from each party's youth wing came together to support the bill. That's a pretty good margin, but how'd you lose three votes? Was there an election?
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platedlizard posted:That's a pretty good margin, but how'd you lose three votes? Was there an election? The millionaire leader of the Conservative Party, which didn't get into parliament last election because it is terrible, has paid for this kind of poo poo  It's got a list of "weak" MPs (who may have voted against Civil Unions or whatever) so I guess they will have been pressured. The list of who voted what should come out in the morning.
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Mo_Steel posted:So the argument against gay marriage is that gay couples that get married will have gay sex and spread AIDS and then society will be sicker as a whole? Also, if you hate gay people, wouldn't you be okay with that?
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Gen. Ripper posted:Goddammit why are there so many pro-A1, blue districts. Easy, now. We were the first state to defeat a homophobia ballot initiative, defeated a voter suppression amendment at the same time, and elected an entirely Blue legislature, which is why this is even on the table. Give us a break.
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ColdPie posted:Easy, now. We were the first state to defeat a homophobia ballot initiative, defeated a voter suppression amendment at the same time, and elected an entirely Blue legislature, which is why this is even on the table. Give us a break. Technically Arizona was the first to reject a marriage amendment ballot measure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Proposition_107_%282006%29 They passed one 2 years later, but this one only banned marriage and technically allows for civil unions, similar to Colorado's amendment. Not that Minnesota isn't awesome for rejecting the 2012 amendment, as well as the other things you mentioned. 
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katium posted:Technically Arizona was the first to reject a marriage amendment ballot measure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Proposition_107_%282006%29 To be fair, the amendment opposition campaign was crazy-organized, well-funded, and had their game down to a science. Out in the 'burbs, my dad got a call from a woman who was the same age he was, same professional background, and ex-military to ask him to vote against the marriage amendment (which he did  ). The post-mortem was that they managed to pull in huge numbers of volunteers from the families of gays and lesbians both in the Twin Cities and outstate who put a lot of time and effort into working the phone banks and pinning down votes.
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Illinois House is still about 12 votes short. So that's not good.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Illinois House is still about 12 votes short. So close. So drat close.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Illinois House is still about 12 votes short. They need 60 votes, so they have 48, which means 23 Democrats are being shitheads. C'mon people, whip some votes.
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Colonial Air Force posted:Also, if you hate gay people, wouldn't you be okay with that? I've actually heard a similar argument against gay marriage. I was explaining to a conservative person that, if you disapprove of the alleged "gay lifestyle" then you should support those people who want to settle down and make commitments, right? He said, "No, because that will give them stability and credibility when they look to adopt or otherwise convert children to homosexuality." 
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MAKES SENSE! in other news: "Let's not be naïve, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God." All you shitlords are going to hell, basically.
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It was talked about in length in the Pope thread and a pro-gay marriage Pope isn't happening. At the very least this is much better than Turkson who had "Exterminate the gays" on his agenda. At least Francis says to respect gays as people even if he doesn't want them to get married.
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RagnarokAngel posted:It was talked about in length in the Pope thread and a pro-gay marriage Pope isn't happening. At the very least this is much better than Turkson who had "Exterminate the gays" on his agenda. At least Francis says to respect gays as people even if he doesn't want them to get married. Yea Francis' view is basically 'respect the gays as people but blah blah blah traditional marriage sanctity' which, for a leader of the Catholic church, is a step up. We're a good few popes away from reaching one who's down with gays.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea Francis' view is basically 'respect the gays as people but blah blah blah traditional marriage sanctity' which, for a leader of the Catholic church, is a step up. We're a good few popes away from reaching one who's down with gays. A dozen at least. And only if they're dragged kicking and screaming by declining numbers of followers.
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The big deal is replacing cardinals: you were never going to get a pope who disagreed with JPII or Benedict on those issues because they appointed literally every single cardinal who voted in this papal election. If Francis starts appointing cardinals based on different criteria, the band of likely popes shifts.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea Francis' view is basically 'respect the gays as people but blah blah blah traditional marriage sanctity' which, for a leader of the Catholic church, is a step up. We're a good few popes away from reaching one who's down with gays. If he does make an attempt to be vaguely respectful to gays as people then it'd be a step up, but so far he seems to have a pretty odd definition of 'respect'. Obviously he was going to oppose gay marriage but saying it was actually devised by Satan is pretty far out there even for the Catholic Church.
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4. "It's not discrimination, it's the definition of the word!" 5. "Discrimination can be good!" 6. "It's discrimination, and rightly so!"
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Its a tiny bit speculative, but SCOTUSBlog just linked an argument by Jack Balkin about Kennedy and how no one wants to be on the wrong side of history. It's a decent read and offers a, if not sunny, at least lit outlook on the outcome of the prop 8 case. It also links to this, admittedly self indulgent, imaginary dissent on Brown v. Board of Education as written by Scalia. The argument is that in 20-50 years people are going to look back and say "man, those people who wrote that opinion sure were shitheads" if the majority looks anything like Plessy.
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Speaking of being on the wrong side of history. Here's an excellent video of a former GOP state representative from Minnesota urging her fellows to be on the right side of history. http://www.upworthy.com/must-watch-a-politician-loses-it-and-restores-my-faith-in-humanity
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Baby steps in Rhode Island: http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/03/r-i-state-senate-schedules-hearing-on-marriage-equality-bill/
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Rhode Island Senate hearings will be Thursday the 21st. The House bill will be heard as well as a constitutional amendment allowing marriage equality and re-writing discrimination laws to protect businesses from serving same sex weddings. The amendment has 4 Dem co-sponsors, including #3 in Senate leadership. It will go nowhere, but don't forget how terrible the Rhode Island Senate is. e: Committee breakdown is 4 Yes votes, 4 No votes, and 2 have offered many conflicting statements. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Mar 14, 2013 |
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Crameltonian posted:If he does make an attempt to be vaguely respectful to gays as people then it'd be a step up, but so far he seems to have a pretty odd definition of 'respect'. Obviously he was going to oppose gay marriage but saying it was actually devised by Satan is pretty far out there even for the Catholic Church. Once you learn to correct for the different language, country, and the fact that the average anglophone couldn't care less about the Global South, you'd find that such language isn't actually "far out there" or even that repugnant in comparison.
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evil_bunnY posted:Yeah as repulsive as it is, it's probably less than par for the course. I like that we live in a world where we can just be happy that they didn't choose the African Cardinal who literally lobbies for executing homosexuals. It's a "step in the right direction."
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