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I don't think what actually happened at Benghazi or what the State department did after or even what the GOP thinks happened matters. This entire affair is just an excuse to act outraged and try and create a "where there's smoke there's fire" situation so the base can be riled up in anger which is what their base does over everything and to deflect attention away from the poo poo show for a job Congress is doing on everything. I'm not sure how much this will actually help people since it doesn't sound like anyone not already pissed about voter fraud and Obamaphones cares about it at all. Maybe after two years of complaining they are not getting the answers to questions they aren't asking while while Fox News and every conservative political cartoonist and editorial writer complains that the media isn't covering it that might change so I guess we'll see.
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They've already succeeded. We need to remember the Republicans are in the business of manufacturing narratives. Narratives can become reality if they're pushed hard enough. For a substantial percentage of people already, Benghazi is a real controversy. Heck, you've got long serving, senior Senators (Inhofe) saying it's worse than Watergate! The facts of the matter are almost irrelevant, when a compliant media will push Republican efforts at reality making. They construct reality to serve their political goals - which is "obstruct Democrats". When out of power. When in power, there's a different narrative, and thus Fox News will instantly turn into a 24/7 pro-Government media outlet. They also do this to change the past - Libya was a successful endeavor for the Obama Administration. Does it seem that way? Hell no! OUTRAGE! COVERUP! SMOKE AND FIRE! They're really good at this. "Chillingly" so.
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May 13, 2013 15:39
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But will that result in anything? Getting outraged white people to the polls in staggeringly easy. If Benghazi never happened they would have figured out some way to make the Boston Bombing into how Obama let in some terrorist family into the country (before he was elected) and then under his watch the GREATEST TERRORIST ATTACK ON US SOIL SINCE 9/11 happened. Their Benghazi noise machine didn't get Romney elected and didn't sweep the Senate or Congress. What will get them back in total power is not only to keep their base in a fevered state of constant paranoia and anger (which they are good at) but to get enough of the Democratic voters to stay home.
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May 13, 2013 15:55
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And besides, the IRS thing is a much better scandal for the right in the long run. The hard right already loathes the IRS and now they have a source telling them that the IRS was targeting them because of it? They couldn't have asked for a better situation to have for raising campaign funds.
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May 13, 2013 16:19
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OAquinas posted:Don't forget the cargoplanes (ok ok, they meant AC-130s) that were totally stationed in the area and ready to go....a year before for the Libyan revolution. They probably have been sitting there idle since, I'm sure. They should have called in the XCOM.
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May 13, 2013 16:54
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Radish posted:But will that result in anything? Getting outraged white people to the polls in staggeringly easy. If Benghazi never happened they would have figured out some way to make the Boston Bombing into how Obama let in some terrorist family into the country (before he was elected) and then under his watch the GREATEST TERRORIST ATTACK ON US SOIL SINCE 9/11 happened. Their Benghazi noise machine didn't get Romney elected and didn't sweep the Senate or Congress. What will get them back in total power is not only to keep their base in a fevered state of constant paranoia and anger (which they are good at) but to get enough of the Democratic voters to stay home. And that's why the second prong of the strategy is voter suppression and gerrymandering by state Republican parties.
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May 13, 2013 16:56
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Voter suppression seemed to actually invigorate the people they were trying to marginalize at least last Presidential election and they already control what their rural advantage and gerrymandered districts benefit from but we'll see what happens since it seems like the plan is to double down on those types of tactics in an off year.
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What's crazy is there was a mass shooting yesterday at a Mother's Day parade in New Orleans and the suspects are at large and no one is loving talking about it. It isn't even front page news on google or bing anymore, it was foot a little while, but Benghazi and IRS were always above it. I mean Jesus, sixteen people shot at a mother's day parade and no one gives a poo poo.
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May 13, 2013 17:46
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greatn posted:What's crazy is there was a mass shooting yesterday at a Mother's Day parade in New Orleans and the suspects are at large and no one is loving talking about it. It isn't even front page news on google or bing anymore, it was foot a little while, but Benghazi and IRS were always above it. It was with a gun, not a bomb.
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greatn posted:What's crazy is there was a mass shooting yesterday at a Mother's Day parade in New Orleans and the suspects are at large and no one is loving talking about it. It isn't even front page news on google or bing anymore, it was foot a little while, but Benghazi and IRS were always above it. Uh I think you'll find those were feral blacks and therefore not people. Mitchicon posted:It was with a gun, not a bomb. This too Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 17:57 on May 13, 2013 |
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May 13, 2013 17:54
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Isn't the FBI calling the mothers day shooting gang related? Business as usual in other words.
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May 13, 2013 17:57
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Miltank posted:Isn't the FBI calling the mothers day shooting gang related? Business as usual in other words. That's just what they said about Benghazi. When is the President going to stop protecting Napolitano's political career? 
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If someone bringsup Benghazi, what should I say? I want to say something implausibly  like "Isn't that where Paul Ryan led a kill team to take out our consulate?" Or "Isn't that where Mitt Romney sold the guard schedule for a quick buck?"Or maybe just something about cutting the security budget?
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May 13, 2013 18:01
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Rockopolis posted:If someone bringsup Benghazi, what should I say? The truth. Every question being asked has been answered definitively and Republicans are only bringing this up to try to hurt Sec. Clinton should she run for President in 2016
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May 13, 2013 18:04
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Rockopolis posted:If someone bringsup Benghazi, what should I say? "Shut the gently caress up"
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May 13, 2013 18:28
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I was watching the testimony, and this Hicks stooge was saying something along the lines of "well sure air support in a residential area is a bad idea, but we could have scared them away with a close flyby!" Does he think they were dealing with Tusken Raiders?
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May 13, 2013 18:32
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Goatman Sacks posted:I was watching the testimony, and this Hicks stooge was saying something along the lines of "well sure air support in a residential area is a bad idea, but we could have scared them away with a close flyby!" This is a regular tactic in Afghanistan and it's rare that it doesn't work. We call it a SoF (Show of Force) and it is generally used before bombs are employed unless the situation is really bad when fighters get on site. The problem is the fighters couldn't possibly get there in time.
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May 13, 2013 18:40
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Something that's really bizzare about the Bennghazi narrative is that its soley framed as "US Consulate attacked in a country" as if the fact that it was in Libya, mere months after that country had gone through a violent uprising, is totally irrelevant. Libya was and still is hardly a stable nation. Armed factions were still (and are still) roaming that country, ruling strips of land. Its not like as if the consulate in Belgium was suddenly shelled out of nowhere, it was a in a war torn nation with thousands of armed men, with differing agendas, walking around. Honestly, I would be surprised if it WASN'T attacked. Also the whole "didn't call it terrorism" narrative: Is attacking a building occupied by a foreign nation in your country, which is known to house soldiers (and CIA) really not just An Attack? You could argue that all attacks, civilian or military, are terrorism, but thats clearly not whats being discussed. At what point does targeting military and other government agents not simple a (wildly asystematical) attack? Also, to say nothing of that fact that the Libyans themselves helped the US personnel escape the building and hunt down the people who did it.
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May 13, 2013 18:42
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Terrorism used to mean attacks on civilians meant to inspire fear and destroy their feeling of safety. Instead it just means "attacking a military base of a country well known for committing terrorist acts against civilians".
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May 13, 2013 18:56
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I know how the Republicans insisting with all their little boy's heart that this be a real thing can actually make it a real thing. But do they have polls confirming that more people are taking them seriously on Benghazi than on the day they first got to work on it? If a good poll says that their efforts to "make it stick" have ultimately been a failure, I wonder if we can just stop talking about it. It's just so oppressively stupid. I am apparently a proud man and it insults and demeans me to see my country unable to shake it. The dumb depths they'll have to sink to to get every last Republican on board is going to piss off and inflame Democrats to an extent not seen since the first Gingrich years.
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May 13, 2013 19:02
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Obama is visiting New York City for a few private DNC fundraisers. Get ready for a lot of "HOBNOBBING WITH THE LIBERAL ELITE" stuff to pop up. Apparently only Republicans are allowed to raise money.
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May 13, 2013 19:06
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:They should have called in the XCOM. Somehow I doubt that would have reduced the casualties considering every single xcom mission ever
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May 13, 2013 19:12
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Rockopolis posted:If someone bringsup Benghazi, what should I say? Ask them which country it's in. Then ask them to find that country on a map you pull out of your pocket. Anyone who is still stuck on Benghazi at this point will fail one or both of these tests.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:They should have called in the XCOM. Obama: soft on Libyans, soft on alien defense.
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Good Citizen posted:Somehow I doubt that would have reduced the casualties considering every single xcom mission ever Sounds like some scrub poo poo to me.
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agarjogger posted:I know how the Republicans insisting with all their little boy's heart that this be a real thing can actually make it a real thing. I'm not sure actually making it stick matters as much as just putting a general stink in the air. Just give people an intuitive "gut feeling" that the President is a big dummy who can't do anything right and it's easier to block his agenda (Which can also makes him look like a big dummy who can't do anything right) and gets people to vote for the opposition party.
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redshirt posted:They've already succeeded. We need to remember the Republicans are in the business of manufacturing narratives. Narratives can become reality if they're pushed hard enough. For a substantial percentage of people already, Benghazi is a real controversy. This can't be said enough. They're astoundingly good at it. They should be. It's all they do and have done for the last 25 - 30 years. For all the talk I hear about "where is the mainstream media on Benghazi?", all I can think to say is "everywhere!" It's being covered to death. This is Whitewater again, isn't it? They're going to impeach Obama. edit: Is there a Benghazi thread? A lot of D&D threads are crossing over hard into the subject. Seems like someone should start one.
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OAquinas posted:Don't forget the cargoplanes (ok ok, they meant AC-130s) that were totally stationed in the area and ready to go....a year before for the Libyan revolution. They probably have been sitting there idle since, I'm sure. If only there had once been an incident in which a team was sent in to rescue Americans without having a full understanding on the situation and it had ended poorly. And if only they'd written a book about it. And if only they'd made a major motion picture about it. Maybe then these people would understand.
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tadashi posted:If only there had once been an incident in which a team was sent in to rescue Americans without having a full understanding on the situation and it had ended poorly. And if only they'd written a book about it. And if only they'd made a major motion picture about it. Maybe then these people would understand. Yeah but that happened under Reagan's protege. So it's okay. edit Wait. Was Mogadishu in 92 or 93? Was Clinton president yet?
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Yeah but that happened under Reagan's protege. So it's okay. Black Hawk Down happened on Clinton's watch, although Bush the Elder started the intervention in Somalia.
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I thought we were talking about Operation Eagle Claw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw
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tadashi posted:If only there had once been an incident in which a team was sent in to rescue Americans without having a full understanding on the situation and it had ended poorly. And if only they'd written a book about it. And if only they'd made a major motion picture about it. Maybe then these people would understand. Considering one of the four killed in Benghazi was part of a hastily put together team that flew in from Tripoli we don't even have to look at past events, just the event in question.
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HaitianDivorce posted:Obama: soft on Libyans Obama did Doc Brown! 
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Fox News Media Darling Ted Nugent decided to write a column about immigration for WND Magazinequote:The Nuge Immigration Plan (NIP) takes five years for even illegal immigrants to become Americans. Until then, they should be treated like indentured servants, meaning that they have to earn their citizenship. Where do you even begin? Indentured Servitude returning to the US of A, anchor babies, ENGLISH ONLY!!
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Fox News Media Darling Ted Nugent decided to write a column about immigration for WND Magazine I'm not sure whether he chose to use that acronym because it's a slur against the Japanese or if it's just poorly thought through. Of course the Japanese treat their immigrants nearly as bad or even worse then this psychotic plan suggests so I guess it might be apropos.
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cafel posted:I'm not sure whether he chose to use that acronym because it's a slur against the Japanese or if it's just poorly thought through. Of course the Japanese treat their immigrants nearly as bad or even worse then this psychotic plan suggests so I guess it might be apropos. I completely missed that and I am sure it was on purpose.
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The English only poo poo is really stupid. The very first president that was born an American citizen was not a native English speaker. This has always been a country where people speak other languages and do just fine.
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Modern Day Hercules posted:The English only poo poo is really stupid. The very first president that was born an American citizen was not a native English speaker. This has always been a country where people speak other languages and do just fine. A person who used to be a friend lived in south and called me frantically ranting that it is pathetic and ridiculous that she had to learn Spanish in college and that those people should learn English....
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Mitchicon posted:This is a regular tactic in Afghanistan and it's rare that it doesn't work. We call it a SoF (Show of Force) and it is generally used before bombs are employed unless the situation is really bad when fighters get on site. The problem is the fighters couldn't possibly get there in time. That, and there were no rescue forces available in case the pilot had to bail out for some reason. The dude would have to parachute down into the midst of an angry mob. It would take hours for help to get to him.
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