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I dunno, those scooter chairs are pretty comfy, probably a better ride than an actual smart car. Goes about as fast too!
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# ? Dec 1, 2013 20:44 |
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2011 Camaro heater core replacement... also from Reddit where the OP said that the windshield has to be removed to get the dash out.
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# ? Dec 1, 2013 21:11 |
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What is happening to these (relatively) new vehicles that they needed heater core replacements already?
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# ? Dec 1, 2013 23:33 |
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Bajaha posted:What is happening to these (relatively) new vehicles that they needed heater core replacements already? Weibull distribution/reliability bathub
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# ? Dec 1, 2013 23:46 |
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Bajaha posted:What is happening to these (relatively) new vehicles that they needed heater core replacements already? Even new things fail right out of the gate. e: beaten
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# ? Dec 1, 2013 23:48 |
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My brother's 2011 Camaro SS drove off the lot without functional A/C. Of course he turned right around and got it fixed, but I still do not know how it happened. He bought it out near Las Vegas, you would figure the dealer would check those kinds of things out there.
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# ? Dec 1, 2013 23:51 |
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Bajaha posted:What is happening to these (relatively) new vehicles that they needed heater core replacements already? Rising price of aluminum + copper means manufacturers are using less and less material.
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# ? Dec 1, 2013 23:53 |
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TrinityOfDeath posted:My brother's 2011 Camaro SS drove off the lot without functional A/C. Of course he turned right around and got it fixed, but I still do not know how it happened. You'd think that, especially with some of the dealer charges that get slapped on cars. I remember one Australian car magazine doing an investigation into what the dealerships do for them to charge you close to thousand dollars, and all it ended up with at most dealerships was a $1000 car wash.
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# ? Dec 1, 2013 23:56 |
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You Am I posted:You'd think that, especially with some of the dealer charges that get slapped on cars. I remember one Australian car magazine doing an investigation into what the dealerships do for them to charge you close to thousand dollars, and all it ended up with at most dealerships was a $1000 car wash. I think it's about $600 for the car wash and $400 to remove the plastic wrap on the seats and interior.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 00:00 |
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Bajaha posted:What is happening to these (relatively) new vehicles that they needed heater core replacements already? At what point is it cheaper for the manufacturer to simply scrap the car, rather than pay for it to be stripped down and rebuilt?
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 00:29 |
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SyHopeful posted:
Dear god I can only pray this never happens to mine. gently caress Edit: I know this will happen now, after I replace the fuel pressure regulator and swap the Powermaster for a conventional hydroboost brake system.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 00:30 |
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spog posted:At what point is it cheaper for the manufacturer to simply scrap the car, rather than pay for it to be stripped down and rebuilt? Somewhere around $98 I think. Or, it may depend on the vehicle.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 01:34 |
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spog posted:At what point is it cheaper for the manufacturer to simply scrap the car, rather than pay for it to be stripped down and rebuilt? Pretty much never. The heater core is a cheap part, and it'll take an awful lot of labor to add up to even a cheap car's total value. Plus, even if you ran into some edge case where it cost more to repair the car than to replace it, the manufacturer would still probably opt for the repair. It's better than the bad PR of "a problem so bad they scrapped the car." If you're familiar with the aviation industry, Qantas has done similar wacky things (~$100M worth of repairs on an aircraft worth much less) to keep their "never lost a jet" record intact.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 02:25 |
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Also it's warranty work so even if it took 500 hours of shop time to fix they would say it took one of their guys 25 hours with nothing but a stubby ratchet and a couple sockets he found in the parking lot so I don't know why it's taking you guys so long and no you're not getting paid for those extra 475 hours.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 02:39 |
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Sorry, I think this breaks the gauge of awful and wraps right around to awesome.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 02:57 |
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You just know that in 30-40 years, Hoveround body kits will be a thing. Hopefully by then they will also hover.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 03:00 |
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Bajaha posted:What is happening to these (relatively) new vehicles that they needed heater core replacements already? Have you driven/Sat in/been within 10 feet of anything GM has made in the last 20 or so years? I suspect that'd be the main reason
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 03:20 |
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ExplodingSims posted:Have you driven/Sat in/been within 10 feet of anything GM has made in the last 20 or so years? I suspect that'd be the main reason Its sad when my 98 VW's heater core outlasted a 2011 GM product
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 03:24 |
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Dr.Smasher posted:Dear god I can only pray this never happens to mine. gently caress Well... 1. This was longggg after I converted to vacuum boost brakes 2. Heater core wasn't the problem! Turns out the weatherseal that sealed the whole assembly to the firewall failed
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 03:34 |
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Plinkey posted:It's about a 30 minute or less process in the 96 150. Once you figure out where all the screws are. It comes out through the glove box basically. Did the heater core in 30 minutes just under the dash behind the glove box in my 1988 Ranger before I sold it. I luckily live in Texas so I frankly don't give a poo poo when the heater goes out, but its more of an issue when it impedes the flow of coolant. I'm going to miss that truck just because it was an hour job for almost anything on it.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 03:41 |
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two forty posted:You don't really have to disassemble a 240 quite as far as that picture shows, but it is labor intensive. Mr. Benstein has a nice write up at http://cleanflametrap.com/heater_core/ 240s are kind of like Legos, they can be really easily disassembled and reassembled. I never did a heater core but ended up disassembling the entire dash for various purposes over the years and it's honestly not as bad as it looks. And I didn't have one single dashboard squeak after reassembly in 6 years of driving them while learning the ropes of auto work. Your move, GM. My father-in-law bought an 850 wagon for $400 last week. It was belching oil smoke and leaking oil like crazy but was in excellent cosmetic shape. He cleaned and removed a plastic piece from the flame trap and replaced a cam seal and it runs like a dream. No more smoke or leaks.
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You Am I posted:You'd think that, especially with some of the dealer charges that get slapped on cars. I remember one Australian car magazine doing an investigation into what the dealerships do for them to charge you close to thousand dollars, and all it ended up with at most dealerships was a $1000 car wash. We do this. We charge around $600 for a pre delivery inspection. It takes about two hours and the breakdown is thus: -Peel interior+exterior plastics off the car, about 30 minutes -Wash and groom car to an anal-retentive degree, about an hour -Drive to the petrol station and fill up, which is about fifteen minutes plus the cost of a tank of gas -Configure the various electronic settings -Inspect the car inside and out, on a hoist, set the tyre pressures, adjust handbrake/drums, check the fluids, affix lube sticker, enter PDI online on the government's system, stick on a warrant of fitness (mandatory safety inspection for all vehicles)
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 06:44 |
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Slavvy posted:We do this. We charge around $600 for a pre delivery inspection. It takes about two hours and the breakdown is thus: Can the customer opt out of this?
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 14:41 |
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evobatman posted:Can the customer opt out of this? Some or all of it is often required prior to sale by the manufacturer and is out of the dealer's hands. It's worth noting that by the time you drive away in a car you've bought, easily as many as 20 people have gotten in and out of it (adds dirt at the best of times, and much worse in the winter); the high-detail wash and groom is probably the most obvious example of a manufacturer's brand maintenance mandate, but the rest of it fits too. Really, the only thing not on the brand maintenance checklist is the inspection/fitness/registration sticker, and that's usually a government requirement. The customer can opt out of it via their salesperson; ie the cost can be waived or rolled into the loan or, well, any other method that the salesperson can get past the GM/CEO.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 17:56 |
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 19:00 |
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The position of the steering wheel
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 19:01 |
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Dude wasn't even wearing a seatbelt. I like the cloud of smoke coming from the panic stopper in oncoming traffic.
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Splizwarf posted:Some or all of it is often required prior to sale by the manufacturer and is out of the dealer's hands. It's worth noting that by the time you drive away in a car you've bought, easily as many as 20 people have gotten in and out of it (adds dirt at the best of times, and much worse in the winter); the high-detail wash and groom is probably the most obvious example of a manufacturer's brand maintenance mandate, but the rest of it fits too. Really, the only thing not on the brand maintenance checklist is the inspection/fitness/registration sticker, and that's usually a government requirement. Pretty much this, it's basically mandatory and we make decent money out of it when we do 40-odd rental vehicles in a week. You can't opt out of poo poo, it's part of the 'on-road costs' of the vehicle. Technical pre-delivery inspection is a government requirement here, not to mention a warranty requirement and also pretty necessary for consumer guarantees etc. The cars show up devastatingly filthy off the truck; often we have to scrub or polish off the black sooty residue that gets on them from the dozens of trucks and ships belching fumes on them; the inside is filled with all sorts of debris. Noone who has just shelled out forty-odd grand for a vehicle would accept it in the state that they come in, the amount of behind-the-scenes that goes into making them remotely presentable is immense.
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Slavvy posted:The cars show up devastatingly filthy off the truck; often we have to scrub or polish off the black sooty residue that gets on them from the dozens of trucks and ships belching fumes on them; the inside is filled with all sorts of debris. Noone who has just shelled out forty-odd grand for a vehicle would accept it in the state that they come in, the amount of behind-the-scenes that goes into making them remotely presentable is immense. I guess that explains why the car was missing random bits last time I bought new.. like the little plastic cover that goes over the shift override button. I guess if cars show up at the dealer looking like a coal mine it's easy to miss stuff like that.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 21:21 |
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Not sure about other brands but Porsche puts their cars into "transport mode" while they are being, um, transported that kills a bunch of the accessories and limits speed to 30km/h. You would definitely not want to take delivery of your new car in that condition and without the scan tool there isn't poo poo you're doing about it. We also go over the entire car with a fine toothed comb, torque the wheels and suspension bolts, scan and clear any faults that may have occurred since going on the boat as well as a bunch of other crap.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 21:21 |
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xzzy posted:Dude wasn't even wearing a seatbelt. I think this is one of those times a life was saved by not wearing a seat belt.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 21:23 |
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I'm all for the technical aspects of a PDI, but I can see both sides of the cleaning regimen. Ok, if the car's dirty and wearing the plastic wrap, you're not going to pick up on paint defects, but on the other hand some people are very fussy about their detailing, and really don't want anyone else to do it before they get the car.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 21:28 |
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I'm sure if you told them to skip the detail it wouldn't be a big deal. We'd just have to pull the plastic off and make sure it doesn't have any damage hidden under it. Most of our cars don't come too messed up because they come in covered transport trucks. When I worked for Acura they would often come in filthy and with a decent amount of acid rain stains and often dings and dents.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 21:36 |
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Bugdrvr posted:Not sure about other brands but Porsche puts their cars into "transport mode" while they are being, um, transported that kills a bunch of the accessories and limits speed to 30km/h. This could make a pretty useful valet mode.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 21:50 |
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Bugdrvr posted:Not sure about other brands but Porsche puts their cars into "transport mode" while they are being, um, transported that kills a bunch of the accessories and limits speed to 30km/h. Or plug in a VAGcom tool with an android device and start rocking.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 21:54 |
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Bugdrvr posted:Not sure about other brands but Porsche puts their cars into "transport mode" while they are being, um, transported that kills a bunch of the accessories and limits speed to 30km/h. Yeah, but (as you said) this is Porsche. My buddy bought an Elantra Touring when they became available a few years ago and they delivered it to him without brake fluid in the clutch master. Apparently that's part of the PDI. The dealership lot boy said he used to work for Mercedes and the Smart cars were shipped without AC refrigerant or a dryer hooked up.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 21:54 |
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They couldn't find out why the SRT I wanted to buy brand new wouldn't start for the test drive. Popping the hood solved that mystery; shipped without spark plug wires. Edit: Just looked up my car's heater core. Jesus Christ. Maker Of Shoes fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Dec 2, 2013 |
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No. 6 posted:Or plug in a VAGcom tool with an android device and start rocking. VAGCOM doesn't work on Porsches. The dealers usually have a PIWIS and us pleebs settle for Durametric.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 22:17 |
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Motronic posted:VAGCOM doesn't work on Porsches. The dealers usually have a PIWIS and us pleebs settle for Durametric. Potato, potahtow, there isn't any magic dealer box that consumers are incapable of getting access to.
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Maker Of Shoes posted:They couldn't find out why the SRT I wanted to buy brand new wouldn't start for the test drive. Popping the hood solved that mystery; shipped without spark plug wires. How the heck did they get it from the assembly line to the shipping crate? Or the shipping crate to the delivery truck? Or the delivery truck to the car lot? Do they have some magical system where they can transport a car anywhere in the world without ever once firing up the engine? Basically what I'm saying is it sounds like someone really needed some new wires and snuck onto the lot after dark.
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# ? Dec 2, 2013 22:25 |