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Has any notable fed (primary, indie or otherwise) ever had serious intergender tag teams? Like a tag team composed of a man and a woman, competing in the standard tag division. Are there any incidences of tag titles being held by a man and a woman?
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Castomira posted:Has any notable fed (primary, indie or otherwise) ever had serious intergender tag teams? Like a tag team composed of a man and a woman, competing in the standard tag division. Are there any incidences of tag titles being held by a man and a woman? CHIKARA presents the women as being on the same level of competition as the men in a non-embarrassing way if that's what you're looking for. Or at least they used to. Most of the women they used to book aren't around anymore so I hope you like Saturyne
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Mar 30, 2014 09:33
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Hole Wolf posted:I don't really see them being strapped for talent in the near future though. Castomira posted:Has any notable fed (primary, indie or otherwise) ever had serious intergender tag teams? Like a tag team composed of a man and a woman, competing in the standard tag division. Are there any incidences of tag titles being held by a man and a woman?
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Mar 30, 2014 09:37
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oatgan posted:CHIKARA presents the women as being on the same level of competition as the men in a non-embarrassing way if that's what you're looking for. Or at least they used to. Most of the women they used to book aren't around anymore so I hope you like Saturyne Yeah, none ever won singles or tag belts but Sara Del Rey beat people like Claudio and El Generico clean and it was considered a big upset when she lost to lower card male wrestlers like Kobald. I don't even think Saturyne's around anymore from the last time I read the CHIKARA thread, perhaps due to the rumors about her and Quack since apparently he's still married despite the other rumor that was circulating. UltimoDragonQuest posted:The timing has not worked out for him, but he had a point when the podcast was recorded in May 2012. They might not need him, but being away for a couple years would make him seem fresh again at least. I didn't give a gently caress when he left but I wouldn't mind seeing him get another run. Thauros fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Mar 30, 2014 09:40
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Intergender matches seem to be getting more popular on the indies. Besides Chikara I know Anarchy Championship Wrestling book their men and women together and women have routinely held the main titles or one half of the tag titles. A quick look at their tag title history shows Angel Blue holding it with some guys in a Freebird thing and a Rachel Summerlyn holding the belt twice, once with a guy and once with Jessica James. I know there are other promotions booking a lot of Intergender stuff. Joey Ryan and Candice LeRea regularly compete as a team and I saw some ad for a Michael Elgin vs Seleziya Sparx match. Eric Young also held one half of the TNA Knockouts Tag belts for like a year but TNA didn't care and he only wrestled a couple of matches.
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Mar 30, 2014 13:06
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Grant DaNasty posted:I recently heard that Warrior was originally chosen for the Big Van Vader character before he backed out and it was given to Leon White. So now I'm curious to what the origin of the Big Van Vader character is supposed to be. All Wikipedia says is "His new identity was based on a strong warrior of the same name from Japanese folklore." Does anyone have any more information about this folklore character? I would love to know if he resembled Vader's helmet. There's no such character in Japanese folklore. The Big Van Vader character was created by manga author Go Nagai (Mazinger Z, Cutie Honey, Devilman) for NJPW and it's main heel group, Takeshi Puroresu Gundan (TPG). TPG was lead by Takeshi Kitano, one of the most famous comedians in Japan and Vader was their main enforcer. Vaders debut is legendary as he had a match wih Inoki which led to Inoki losing. The fans rioted and caused damage to the recently-opened Ryogoku Kokugikan arena. Japan Sumo Association responded by banning the promotion out of fear that the fans would continue rioting. The ban was lifted in 1989.
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Mar 30, 2014 13:14
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El Gallinero Gros posted:The problem with this is that not every crowd does it. It's died down a lot in the last 5-6 years. This is "What?"'s finest moment, though (other than Taker fooling the crowd into admitting to banging their sisters): I uploaded that!
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Mar 30, 2014 15:55
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magnum_valentino posted:I uploaded that! What?
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Jake Soo posted:There's no such character in Japanese folklore. The Big Van Vader character was created by manga author Go Nagai (Mazinger Z, Cutie Honey, Devilman) for NJPW and it's main heel group, Takeshi Puroresu Gundan (TPG). TPG was lead by Takeshi Kitano, one of the most famous comedians in Japan and Vader was their main enforcer. Ah, there we go, thanks. I think I was thinking of a video game character named "Big Bomberder"
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Mar 30, 2014 17:43
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Shima Honnou posted:What? HE SAID HE UPLOADED THAT
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IronCladBurrito posted:HE SAID HE UPLOADED THAT I will crush your car.
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LvK posted:I will crush your car. What?
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Mar 30, 2014 19:55
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Stallion Cabana posted:What? He'll compact your vehicle.
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Mar 30, 2014 19:58
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Jake Soo posted:There's no such character in Japanese folklore. The Big Van Vader character was created by manga author Go Nagai (Mazinger Z, Cutie Honey, Devilman) for NJPW and it's main heel group, Takeshi Puroresu Gundan (TPG). TPG was lead by Takeshi Kitano, one of the most famous comedians in Japan and Vader was their main enforcer. Thanks! Now I've got to find footage of this match.
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Mar 30, 2014 20:17
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Why didn't ~Das Wunderkind~ Alex Wright sign with WWE after WCW imploded? He was what, 25 and a second generation European wrestler?
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Mar 30, 2014 21:39
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Luigi Thirty posted:Why didn't ~Das Wunderkind~ Alex Wright sign with WWE after WCW imploded? He was what, 25 and a second generation European wrestler? because they had no interest in him
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Mar 30, 2014 21:49
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AkumaHokoru posted:because they had no interest in him I read somewhere that they did and he turned them down for whatever reason but I don't remember the specifics or where I read it. 
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Mar 30, 2014 22:05
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What are some of Batista and orton's highest rated matches? Have either of them ever had a 5 star match?
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Mar 30, 2014 23:19
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LightsGameraAction posted:Have either of them ever had a 5 star match? Meltzer has only given like five or six WWF/E matches five stars, and the most recent was Punk / Cena at Money in the Bank 2011 (before that it was Michaels / Undertaker at Badd Blood), so no.
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http://theditch.us/riot.html Here's the whole story of the night vader debuted -- not only did the Vader win cause riots, but the whole TPG angle caused huge repercussions for Japanese pro-wrestling. Choshu vs Inoki was the largest match in Japan at that point (apart from some , since Choshu left NJPW in 1984 and jumped to AJPW. That made a rising star burst into a huge name in the Japanese scene, so having the main face of Japanese Pro-Wrestling go against a returning defector was a dream match. Grant DaNasty posted:Thanks! Now I've got to find footage of this match. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFiq7G2xVks -- The initial promo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcO528X0cYs -- Saito & Choshu vs Kimura & Fujinami. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmxR8cxLvXs -- Inoki vs Choshu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlCPeg1WVkg -- Inoki vs Vader. Edit: Oh yeah, the commentators refer to Vader as "shinryakusha" that means "Invader" in Japanese. Asteroid Alert fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Timby posted:Meltzer has only given like five or six WWF/E matches five stars, and the most recent was Punk / Cena at Money in the Bank 2011 (before that it was Michaels / Undertaker at Badd Blood), so no. That's what I thought. I was just curious what is considered the "best of the best" matches for either guy.
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LightsGameraAction posted:What are some of Batista and orton's highest rated matches? Have either of them ever had a 5 star match? Orton's highest is Money in The Bank 2013, with 4.5 stars. Batista's highest is Vengeance 2005, with also 4.5 stars. Abrasive Obelisk fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Mar 30, 2014 23:38
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LightsGameraAction posted:What are some of Batista and orton's highest rated matches? Have either of them ever had a 5 star match? Batista WM 23 against the Undertaker Backlash 07 against Undertaker Survivor Series 07 HIAC against Undertaker Vengeance 05 HIAC against Triple H Extreme Rules 2010 Last Man Standing against Cena Whole bunch of awesome tag matches during Evolution Orton Backlash 04 against Foley Vengeance 04 against Edge Summerslam 04 against Benoit, and the rematch the next night on Raw was also great 4-way from Baclkash 07 agaainst Edge, Cena, and HBK, andI think he had a match against Edge the next night on Raw that was just as good? Over the Limit 2011 vs. Christian Daniel Bryan whole bunch of awesome tag matches during Evolution and honestly as much as people around here hate the matchup, Cena and Orton always have a good match oatgan fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Mar 30, 2014 23:44
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oatgan posted:and honestly as much as people around here hate the matchup, Cena and Orton always have a good match Cena / Orton vs.  THE ENTIRE RAW ROSTER was really solid, if only for the AARKO spot.
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Mar 30, 2014 23:46
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Jake Soo posted:http://theditch.us/riot.html I've always wondered Beat Takeshi's involvement as the manager. Was he just allied with Choshu and that's his justification of being there?
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Mar 30, 2014 23:59
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Unless I am misremembering, PSP's initial reactions to Roman Reigns as the third man of the Shield were something akin to "green as goose poo poo" (paraphrasing). I don't know much about his time in FCW/NXT as Leakee, but if my memory of PSP's guarded reaction to him is correct, what was the moment (or series of moments) that turned around collective opinion on him? Was it him showing abilities people didn't think he had, or was it just being booked smartly?
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:Unless I am misremembering, PSP's initial reactions to Roman Reigns as the third man of the Shield were something akin to "green as goose poo poo" (paraphrasing). I don't know much about his time in FCW/NXT as Leakee, but if my memory of PSP's guarded reaction to him is correct, what was the moment (or series of moments) that turned around collective opinion on him? Was it him showing abilities people didn't think he had, or was it just being booked smartly? Both. He's gotten a lot better in the ring by virtue of working long matches against good opponents for over a year, but right out of the gate he oozed charisma in a way he hadn't as Generic Babyface Guy in FCW. Spearing dudes through barriers and powerbombing jabronis every week helped, but it was strong booking like at Survivor Series that really got people hyped.
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oatgan posted:Both. He's gotten a lot better in the ring by virtue of working long matches against good opponents for over a year, but right out of the gate he oozed charisma in a way he hadn't as Generic Babyface Guy in FCW. Spearing dudes through barriers and powerbombing jabronis every week helped, but it was strong booking like at Survivor Series that really got people hyped. He was booked to his strengths and very well-protected in a three-man team that had two great workers from the get-go. For the longest time, Reigns was the big, quiet dude that would tag for a bit, do some damage, tag out and show up again to hit one devastating move and look handsome and cool and  So he didn't do much, but he always looked awesome doing it. And since his teammates were indie darlings and he showed signs of improvement quite fast, Roman got both the good will and the time to develop into a solid wrestler in most people's minds. But that's all bullshit, the true defining factor was that he changed his name from fuckin' LEAKEE. EDIT: you know what's a really really annoying word to spell right if you're not a native English speaker? Strength. The more you know. Dias fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Mar 31, 2014 |
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It shouldn't be overstated how awful Leakee used to be and how great Roman Reigns has become via some of the best booking protection in the last decade and his own legitimate improvement by working with some of the best wrestlers in the world.
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I get the feeling the general impression was "oh cool Ambrose, and of course we know Rollins, but we hope to god this guy with a decent look doesn't gently caress it all up". And in fairness, he hasn't -- though the worry is obviously justified given WWE's recent history. They protected The Shield for well over half a year, Reigns was limited in what he did (simple stuff, spears, and triple power bombs for the most part), they got him over by spearing dudes through the wall numerous times, and it looks like a couple years of matches against other good wrestlers on the house show tour has given him a lot better in-ring skills. He's also not just a mute hulk on the mic anymore. Reigns is developing into a star, and while he's not there yet, he's one of the best stars that WWE has intentionally grown in a while.
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Mar 31, 2014 01:17
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Bard Maddox posted:It shouldn't be overstated how awful Leakee used to be and how great Roman Reigns has become via some of the best booking protection in the last decade and his own legitimate improvement by working with some of the best wrestlers in the world.
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It's also worth saying that they likely called off the Shield breakup due to 1) How much of a general face reaction they're getting and 2) That he's still not ready to go solo ringwork-wise. The longish match he had with Bray Wyatt a few weeks back was really rough.
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I have no idea what was up with that match. Both of them were plodding, and they usually don't.
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Mar 31, 2014 02:11
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DeathChicken posted:I have no idea what was up with that match. Both of them were plodding, and they usually don't. I think it's that they usually have other people, (an architect perhaps) kind of dictating the flow of the match. I'm not sure how much experience Reigns and Bray have calling matches. That could have been the issue.
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Mar 31, 2014 02:26
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What's Joel Gertner doing nowadays?
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Mar 31, 2014 04:09
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Angular Landbury posted:What's Joel Gertner doing nowadays? Commentator for Extreme Rising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPRjTuzlvrM
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Going through all the old PPVs and Raws, I've figured out just about who is who when the agents/refs come to break wrestlers up. There is just one left who I don't know. Who is the agent with the blonde hair like a henchman from Die Hard?
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Mar 31, 2014 04:26
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Hockles posted:Going through all the old PPVs and Raws, I've figured out just about who is who when the agents/refs come to break wrestlers up. There is just one left who I don't know. Rene Goulet
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Bard Maddox posted:It shouldn't be overstated how awful Leakee used to be and how great Roman Reigns has become via some of the best booking protection in the last decade and his own legitimate improvement by working with some of the best wrestlers in the world. That, plus I'm still utterly baffled that from the beginning up until now, WWE has done everything right with The Shield. Their booking is smart, their promo time is consistent, they're a constant threat, they never look weak (even when retreating), their storylines are interesting, their breakup tension was actually subtle and layered, and even their face turn is sensible and well booked. I've been saying this for probably over a year now, but I swear they're being booked independently of the rest of the booking team, because I can't recall anyone ever being handled this competently since their debut. They've been probably my favorite thing about WWE since they showed up and are still my favorite thing.
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