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Bigass Moth posted:How many televised clean losses did Antonio Inoki have in his career? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Antonio_Inoki He tied Muhammad Ali, and went home with a broken leg. Sounds like a job to me.
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Grendels Dad posted:edit: To give an example, in what ways are monster heels filmed? Are there distinct ways of filming them that communicate their absolute dominance, camera angles and suchlike? I want to say there are, but would have to do some research because up until now I never thought about it. They used to film the audience from the entrance ramp and then have Mark Henry step in front of the camera to make it feel like he was larger than life. You can see it about 1:45 into this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWKyWeizIoc
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Grendels Dad posted:That's true, the decline in quality in that regard has been pretty steep. But it's not the only aspect I've been thinking about. Catching the action in-ring strikes me more like a sports-related thing, but there are also story-telling elements to the filming itself and I wonder if anybody tried to analyze it. Listen, you're over thinking it. You just need to wildly zoom in and out as much as possible whenever punches are landing and make successive cuts over and over and over again. The idea is to disorient the viewer.
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Alexander Hamilton posted:They used to film the audience from the entrance ramp and then have Mark Henry step in front of the camera to make it feel like he was larger than life. You can see it about 1:45 into this video: That's a great example and exactly what I was thinking about, thanks. D Lambent posted:Listen, you're over thinking it. You just need to wildly zoom in and out as much as possible whenever punches are landing and make successive cuts over and over and over again. The idea is to disorient the viewer. Speaking about wildly disorienting, I kiiiiinda like how they filmed the Big Swing from Cesaro to Kofi during the Battle Royale at WM 30. It zooms in when Kofi is close to the camera and zooms away when he's farther away, there's a weird vertigo-inducing rhythm to it that I can't wholly hate.
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Grendels Dad posted:edit: To give an example, in what ways are monster heels filmed? Are there distinct ways of filming them that communicate their absolute dominance, camera angles and suchlike? I want to say there are, but would have to do some research because up until now I never thought about it. There's a shot in wrestling called the "Andre shot" which is when the camera is lowered and tilted up so it's looking up at a wrestler to give their size. It's called that because it was used all the time for Andre the Giant and WWE uses it every now and again for their bigger wrestlers. Another camera angle they used was during Mark Henry's 2011 heel run where the camera was chest-high, facing out towards the entrance ramp and Henry would walk right in front of it so his entire back would cover the frame. Then he'd slowly walk forward to give the impression of dominance because he would STAY totally in frame (I think a special lens was used to keep Henry's body mostly in frame). I have to admit it was impressive for what they were going for.
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Those are more good examples, thanks. Entrances seem to be a lot more rewarding for this kind of analysis than whatever happens between the bells. I guess that part of filming tends to be a little less plan-able by nature of the product, although I'm willing to bet money that the camera crew has a very good idea when to film what in which way. Not saying that they know the script because duh, but maybe some of the hectic struggling to keep up with events is by design to give it more of a sporty feeling.
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Justin Godscock posted:There's a shot in wrestling called the "Andre shot" which is when the camera is lowered and tilted up so it's looking up at a wrestler to give their size. It's called that because it was used all the time for Andre the Giant and WWE uses it every now and again for their bigger wrestlers. Big Show and Great Khali get this a lot.
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Justin Godscock posted:There's a shot in wrestling called the "Andre shot" which is when the camera is lowered and tilted up so it's looking up at a wrestler to give their size. It's called that because it was used all the time for Andre the Giant and WWE uses it every now and again for their bigger wrestlers. Best usage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI4Q8ZKqxOQ
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I never understood why they don't use more camera tricks for backstage stuff. Their is one in particular where Orton tossed someone down the stairs and the way they filmed it was awful and completely obvious. It wasn't during a match either so it could have been easily filmed earlier. The way they did it was have a camera follow the two around backstage brawling then when they get to the stairs the camera man stopped and allowed a door to shut in front of him while still filming and missing the action till they were all set up to make it look like the guy got tossed down the stairs. Using the same set up they could have showed him throw the guy down the stairs onto a stunt pad since the bottom half of the stairs were blocked by a wall. Then have a ref/medical crew/Dean Malenko step in front of the camera for a split second to black out the screen to allow a camera cut to remove the pad and allow the camera still followed them without the stupid door bullshit and show the actual action. Maybe that wouldn't be PG or to far on the "don't try it at home" but drat that was awful how they did it. I blame Kevin Dunn for being a Hollywood reject.
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Fsmhunk posted:I'm pretty sure undertaker kicked out of the spear in that one match he had against the shield with team hell no. I think that pin got broken up, I remember wondering whether they were keeping the Spear that protected. projecthalaxy posted:there's that picture of him dressing up and getting crucified at a show and announcing he's been a secret Muslim for decades to get heat at Pakistani shows How can you say this and not include the picture? 
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Striking Yak posted:How can you say this and not include the picture? 
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I hope that match was won with a crucifix.
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I'm honestly surprised he's just holding onto plastic handles instead of being tied to it with barbed wire or something.
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I wasn't sure of a better place to put this.Hulk Hogan posted:I broke up daughter's engagement to Dallas Cowboy..... http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/story/hulk-hogan-put-a-bullet-in-daughter-s-engagement-to-cowboys-lineman-080114
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So not only does he have Brooke all to himself once again, but he has another story to tell.
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Umaga and Jeff hardy had a match that went outside and the camera stayed with them until they went near a trailer Jeff jumped off of where the cameraman strangely stayed on the other side of some equipment and then stood there, supposedly in shock, after Jeff jumped for like ten seconds then ran over to see Jeff lying on concrete. It was such a dumb shot, it's like don't even attempt it in the first place guys.
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That reminds me of the Ambulance match between Kane and Shane McMahon, wherein Shane lays out Kane in a parking lot, gets into a car and backs it up, ostensibly running Kane over. I actually liked the way how that was filmed because it wasn't super-obvious that there were concrete blocks or something there to protect Kane.
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This all reminds me of the awesome visual when Undertaker dropped Triple H off of the stage in their first Wrestlemania match...that was promptly ruined as they panned over to show how short the drop really was, but damnation, it looked like Taker had thrown him off of a cliff before they did that.
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Aug 2, 2014 18:48
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DeathChicken posted:This all reminds me of the awesome visual when Undertaker dropped Triple H off of the stage in their first Wrestlemania match...that was promptly ruined as they panned over to show how short the drop really was, but damnation, it looked like Taker had thrown him off of a cliff before they did that. You mean off onto a crashpad
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oldpainless posted:Umaga and Jeff hardy had a match that went outside and the camera stayed with them until they went near a trailer Jeff jumped off of where the cameraman strangely stayed on the other side of some equipment and then stood there, supposedly in shock, after Jeff jumped for like ten seconds then ran over to see Jeff lying on concrete. It was such a dumb shot, it's like don't even attempt it in the first place guys. If I remember right you then could see the big blue crash pad in the background.
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Still, none of those scenarios beat the one where Kane chokeslammed Ryder off a loading bay and you could actually see Ryder's body bouncing back up after landing on the crashpads.
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Can anyone remember examples of the production truck accidentally playing a guy's music too early and telegraphing the winner of the match? I'm sure it happened in WCW at least once.
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I remember it happening during a New Age Outlaws match at some PPV during 98 or 99. EDIT: It was Summerslam 98, during the handicap match against Mankind. Road Dogg gets a nearfall and they play the Outlaws theme for a split second. Leggsy fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Aug 2, 2014 |
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RVD and Rey vs The Bashams.
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So I was watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sA4j6IJnHc and it got me curious. Who was the anonymous guy? Was that ever found out?
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I'd always heard Del Wilkes.
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DeathChicken posted:I'd always heard Del Wilkes. Del Wilkes is already an interviewee under his real name, I don't think they'd throw a hood and shadow over him and claim him as someone else or maybe they would idk
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I dialed up a random PPV and it was Royal Rumble '03. The Angle/Benoit match has got to be one of the greatest wrestling exhibitions I've ever seen. I didn't watch WWE between like 2001 and 2013 so give me some more Angle matches, I heard he used to be good at this wrestling thing before his knees exploded.
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Luigi Thirty posted:I didn't watch WWE between like 2001 and 2013 so give me some more Angle matches, I heard he used to be good at this wrestling thing before his Yeah, pretty much. Some of his other PPV matches with Benoit (WM17, Unforgiven '02) are also real good. His match with Austin at Summerslam '01 was well on its way to being one of the best WWF matches ever before the wet poo poo of a finish. There's also the feud with HBK in '05, which I think is a bit overrated, but I'm in the minority there.
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Luigi Thirty posted:I dialed up a random PPV and it was Royal Rumble '03. The Angle/Benoit match has got to be one of the greatest wrestling exhibitions I've ever seen. I didn't watch WWE between like 2001 and 2013 so give me some more Angle matches, I heard he used to be good at this wrestling thing before his knees exploded. Check out Angle/Michaels from Wretlemania 21 and their followup match at Vengeance 2005 (I think that was it. It was in that time frame).
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Always loved Angle/Taker from No Way Out '06. What's PSP's take on that one? Also, check out Angle/Eddie from Mania XX.
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Perfidus posted:So I was watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sA4j6IJnHc and it got me curious. Who was the anonymous guy? Was that ever found out? Are the full transcripts of Benoit's diary available? Did he just write those "letters" to Eddie, or did he keep writing long after that?
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Luigi Thirty posted:I dialed up a random PPV and it was Royal Rumble '03. The Angle/Benoit match has got to be one of the greatest wrestling exhibitions I've ever seen. I didn't watch WWE between like 2001 and 2013 so give me some more Angle matches, I heard he used to be good at this wrestling thing before his knees exploded. I'm still in awe of that match, I really can't believe how good it was, especially considering Benoit was just there to give Angle something to do before the inevitable Kurt vs Brock dream match at Mania.
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Luigi Thirty posted:I dialed up a random PPV and it was Royal Rumble '03. The Angle/Benoit match has got to be one of the greatest wrestling exhibitions I've ever seen. I didn't watch WWE between like 2001 and 2013 so give me some more Angle matches, I heard he used to be good at this wrestling thing before his knees exploded. His Wrestlemania/Bound for Glory matches are all solid to excellent. These are great too: Angle vs Shane McMahon (King of the Ring 2001) http://dailymotion.com/video/x18reiu Angle vs Stone Cold (SummerSlam 2001) http://dailymotion.com/video/x184v87 Angle/Benoit vs Edge/Mysterio (No Mercy 2002) http://dailymotion.com/video/xz6sw9 Angle vs Undertaker (No Way Out 2006) http://dailymotion.com/video/x10pcjy Angle vs Samoa Joe (Lockdown 2008) http://dailymotion.com/video/x1d89x0 Angle vs Desmond Wolfe (Final Resolution 2009) http://dailymotion.com/video/x198vgy Angle vs Mr Anderson (Lockdown 2010) http://dailymotion.com/video/x1sttg1 Angle/AJ Styles vs Bad Influence (Slammiversary 2012) http://dailymotion.com/video/xrkgpm
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What are the best Stone Cold matches I can check out on the Network? (PPVs) I know the obvious big ones - Bret Hart submission, vs Michaels at Mania, and vs The Rock at any Mania... are there any big ones I'm forgetting, or maybe earlier ones.. I think he was in some of the great old War Games matches in WCW.
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Who is the wrestler in the golden shower gif multiple people have as avatars? When did it happen? What actually happened on TV, and why?
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It's from an ad for Takis that aired during Battleground. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFi1v1OLuKo
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Pet Rock Band posted:What are the best Stone Cold matches I can check out on the Network? (PPVs) Austin vs. Vince at In Your House: St. Valentine's Day Massacre isn't going to be a workrate classic, but its the culmination to his feud with Vince.
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God Of Paradise posted:Who is the wrestler in the golden shower gif multiple people have as avatars? When did it happen? What actually happened on TV, and why? if you're referring to mine it's from a commercial of a snack food that sponsored Battleground https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFi1v1OLuKo
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Pet Rock Band posted:What are the best Stone Cold matches I can check out on the Network? (PPVs) Speaking of Bret and Shawn, I always loved Bret/Austin from Survivor Series 96 and Shawn/Austin from King of the Ring 97. Also, I don't recall what show it was on, but there's a phenomenal Hollywood Blonds vs Flair/Anderson match in WCW.
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