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Malcolm XML posted:That's pretty good. Rate's sitting at 6.4% and wages excluding bonuses rose 0.6%. Not great but certainly not bad. 800,000 people are unemployed and not claiming benefits. Care to make a guess as to how many of them have been sanctioned?
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I once had the sole of am new DM fall off on the street a couple of weeks after spending £60 on them. I'm a big fan of Grinders, partly because (I'm pretty sure) they still make them in Britain. I've got a pair that has lasted 10 years, only repair needed on them has been fixing the tongue on one. Edit: duh this was pages ago. Sorry! hexa fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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The DWP have released data on benefits today as well. Here's some data on ESA sanctions:quote:No. of sick / disabled people having their benefits stopped by Govt: Comparing March 2013 to March 2014 there's a 700% increase in ESA-recipients being sanctioned. Or, to be less cherry-picky, it's a 346% increase, comparing the first quarter of 2013 to the first quarter of 2014. Whitefish fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Aug 13, 2014 12:41
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forkboy84 posted:They had them at Glasgow Airport at least as long ago as 5 years ago, I can say that for sure. SuperHunBastard1690 posted:Nonot isnt. They have had armed police in glasgow airport for years. Yeah, I am pretty wrong on this one. MacAskill's spokesman apparently claims that it's only something like 2% of officers but even if that's true they've made a pretty high profile of themselves all of a sudden. Don't tell me they're tooling up for drug busts on Skye or something.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:17
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When will UKIP save us from foreign bodies?
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glitchkrieg posted:When will UKIP save us from foreign bodies? A broad and wide-ranging cross party response is needed to ensure the public are aware of the dangers of non-flared bases, party politics be damned, this isn't an issue to sit around on!
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Aug 13, 2014 15:00
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This is something goons can do. We can set up a fact finding mission no problem. Big Society in action. We need 20 tubs of lube as operating expenses.
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glitchkrieg posted:When will UKIP save us from foreign bodies? Do news organisations have someone that sifts through coroner's court proceedings looking for the prurient cases? There's zero public interest in knowing the details of this man's demise, and publicising it only adds to the grief of the family. The fact that these cases are treated in this way probably contributed to his death from shame. I mean they don't even give any safety advice or anything to prevent others from suffering the same fate. DesperateDan posted:A broad and wide-ranging cross party response is needed to ensure the public are aware of the dangers of non-flared bases, party politics be damned, this isn't an issue to sit around on! This sort of stuff should be included in sex education at secondary school to be honest. Sex education in England (I don't know the status of, or what it is like, in Scotland or Wales) needs a massive overhaul and it needs to be statutory with no parental or religious opt out. It should include all aspects of sex (age appropriately) and include masturbation (for 10+ year olds at least).
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HortonNash posted:This sort of stuff should be included in sex education at secondary school to be honest. Sex education in England (I don't know the status of, or what it is like, in Scotland or Wales) needs a massive overhaul and it needs to be statutory with no parental or religious opt out. It should include all aspects of sex (age appropriately) and include masturbation (for 10+ year olds at least).
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Aug 13, 2014 16:01
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HortonNash posted:It should include all aspects of sex (age appropriately) and include masturbation (for 10+ year olds at least). You mean 'include education and information about masturbation', right?
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Aug 13, 2014 16:08
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vaguely posted:PEDO TEACHERS SICK SEX ED Unfortunately, that's probably the reaction it'd get.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:20
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I do really think sex education needs a bit of an overhaul. Back in my day we were taught 'this is how it is done and what happens' and a bit about safe sex and that was it. The rest was learned via the tried and tested method of 'some kid in the playground said' I remember there being some huge furore over teaching about the dangers of sexting and the like as obviously their precious little angels would never do something like that. I look after my teenage sister and I have no illusions that she has never been exposed to anything sexual.
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HortonNash posted:Do news organisations have someone that sifts through coroner's court proceedings looking for the prurient cases? Yep - it's normally the most junior person in the office. Mind you now we're in Space Year 2014 they probably just have a Google News alert set up for "anus+death". I know I do.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:24
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I would but I am in that position of knowing about tech but not being up to speed with the minutiae. I know what Google news is but not enough to have anus related death and destruction sent to my phone. e: Did I do right?  e2: Did something happen to Colin Baker that we are unaware of? 
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Aug 13, 2014 16:34
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Jedit posted:800,000 people are unemployed and not claiming benefits. Care to make a guess as to how many of them have been sanctioned? There were in total about 760,000 people sanctioned for JSA 1.3 million times from oct 2012 to April 2014 So at the least 40,000 of those have not been sanctioned at all (for JSA).
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Aug 13, 2014 16:43
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Ddraig posted:I would but I am in that position of knowing about tech but not being up to speed with the minutiae. I know what Google news is but not enough to have anus related death and destruction sent to my phone. What app is that? You know, for. Research purposes.
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El Scotch posted:What app is that? You know, for. Research purposes. Google news and weather, I think. Definitely one of the stock android apps.
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Malcolm XML posted:There were in total about 760,000 people sanctioned for JSA 1.3 million times from oct 2012 to April 2014 Are you really going to sit there and claim the sanctions as a victory 'because they only destroyed the lives of 760,000 people to get ~30,000 people to stop claiming fraudulantly' (You forgot to include the ESA sanctions, lets call it 10,000 which is probably on the very low side given whitefish's post's numbers). That's some pretty hosed up priorities, even for a repugnant shithead as yourself.
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Aug 13, 2014 17:00
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LemonDrizzle posted:The inactivity rate is close to an all-time low, so people leaving the job market isn't really a significant factor: That means there is no unemployment then, apart from 839k people who are 'scroungers'?
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SybilVimes posted:Are you really going to sit there and claim the sanctions as a victory 'because they only destroyed the lives of 760,000 people to get ~30,000 people to stop claiming fraudulantly' (You forgot to include the ESA sanctions, lets call it 10,000 which is probably on the very low side given whitefish's post's numbers). He's a yank that came over to do IT, what do you expect?
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notaspy posted:That means there is no unemployment then, apart from 839k people who are 'scroungers'? No, the unemployment rate is ~6.4% so there are around 2.6m unemployed at present. When calculating employment statistics, the working age population is first divided into two groups: the economically active and inactive.* The economically active are then further divided into the employed and the unemployed. The unemployment rate, inactivity rate, and employment rate are all obtained as the ratios of the numbers of people in the corresponding categories to the size of the working age population as a whole. Labour market statistics are fun! *The economically inactive are working age people who are not in work and not seeking work for whatever reason (full time study, stay-at-home parent, severe disability etc.), as opposed to the unemployed who are not in work but are looking for it.
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Junkenstein posted:You mean 'include education and information about masturbation', right? Today we learn the state approved way to masturbate:  I wish I was joking 
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SybilVimes posted:Are you really going to sit there and claim the sanctions as a victory 'because they only destroyed the lives of 760,000 people to get ~30,000 people to stop claiming fraudulantly' (You forgot to include the ESA sanctions, lets call it 10,000 which is probably on the very low side given whitefish's post's numbers). No he is entirely consistent. Now that he's on the other side of the fence, anything goes when it comes to oppressing the proletariat. Up to and including child labour.
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thehustler posted:Fun fact: the police cars with the yellow dots on them are the ones with the guns in. This is an urban myth and not true, unless I should inform the police station across the road from me that this guy on the internet says they're doing it wrong.
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Fluo posted:This is an urban myth and not true, unless I should inform the police station across the road from me that this guy on the internet says they're doing it wrong. Apparently the yellow dot is only an indicator in London.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Apparently the yellow dot is only an indicator in London. Got to love the MET. 
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Really? Hmm. Paging Hezzy!
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Apparently the yellow dot is only an indicator in London. It's not on the door either, it's on the rear pillar. I've been told (but I've no idea if it's the case) that they have common keying on the boot (where the big guns are kept) so in the event of an emergency an armed officer can get another gun/more ammo from any ARV, which is why the dot is at the back.
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SybilVimes posted:Are you really going to sit there and claim the sanctions as a victory 'because they only destroyed the lives of 760,000 people to get ~30,000 people to stop claiming fraudulantly' (You forgot to include the ESA sanctions, lets call it 10,000 which is probably on the very low side given whitefish's post's numbers). lmao please continue to make poo poo up ~28k people were sanctioned for esa under the new rules (dec 2012 onwards) So in total 800k (at most) were sanctioned under those regimes; I don't know if you can have both JSA and ESA so maybe it's additive. In other words, something like 1.3% of the UK populace were sanctioned. DWP Stat-Xplore is really useful! Interestingly there were a few hundred people sanctioned 10 times or more in 2 years which is kind of ridiculous even for this. KKKlean Energy posted:No he is entirely consistent. Now that he's on the other side of the fence, anything goes when it comes to oppressing the proletariat. Yeah when you can guarantee that a family is raised out of poverty and the child in question gets 16 years of education and/or a trade that keeps them in gainful employment for years to come I guess child labor is pretty drat good. When you actually understand the situation on the ground please come back to the table. When the alternative is a) death or b) being sold into beggary or worse since the government welfare is being sold to the bureaucrat's buddy and even then is not worth anything. I mean it's great that you're able to live in a nation where that's not common! And are able to complain on the internet about it! And have the infrastructure to complain about it!
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According to a random post on a forum:quote:MPS (Met Police) ARVs will often have circular stickers at the corners of the front and rear windows, but not all services do this. All ARVs have a * on the roof though, regardless of which service they belong to. Dog Units will sometimes have a triangle on the roof (although there's plenty that don't), and the rest just have spots on the roof.
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Gonzo McFee posted:He's a yank that came over to do IT, what do you expect? Well I really would rather the UK moved to just cutting people a cheque and not bothering about eligibility because the vast majority of the DWP is useless beancounting and it'd result in better outcomes soooo
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Malcolm XML posted:Well I really would rather the UK moved to just cutting people a cheque and not bothering about eligibility because the vast majority of the DWP is useless beancounting and it'd result in better outcomes soooo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxLWSu-T0M
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thehustler posted:According to a random post on a forum: quote:The Metropolitan Police Service (abbreviated to MPS and widely known informally as "the Met") is the territorial police force responsible for law enforcement in Greater London, excluding the "square mile" of the City of London which is the responsibility of the City of London Police. The Met also has significant national responsibilities such as co-ordinating and leading on counter-terrorism matters and protection of the British Royal Family and senior figures of Her Majesty's Government thehustler posted:Fun fact: the police cars with the yellow dots on them are the ones with the guns in. Fluo posted:This is an urban myth and not true, unless I should inform the police station across the road from me that this guy on the internet says they're doing it wrong. Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Apparently the yellow dot is only an indicator in London. Fluo posted:Got to love the MET. Fluo fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:Five years of below-inflation wage growth: Not only is the average wage still below inflation (i.e. still declining in real terms, 0% 'growth' isn't equilibrium), it's trending downwards. Wages are falling in real terms and it's getting worse. As for the 'with bonuses' line, artifically boosting growth for one year shouldn't erode the entire growth for this year, unless there's barely any to begin with. Like here's the list of April-Junes' growth rates: 1.0 (2009 baseline), 1.1 (2010), 2.6 (2011), 1.6 (2012), 2.3 (2013), -0.2 (2014). If we're charitable and assume that without the shenanigans growth was a steady 1.6% after 2012, the total growth in 2013 and '14 would be 3.23%, which would still mean a 1% rise this year even from those heady bankers' bonus highs. Instead we're looking at a total of 2.1%, with a 0.2% fall. That's an average 1.04% growth per year. The only reason it still went down was because growth is so low in the first place, not because 2.3% was a particularly high number or anything. And coincidentally, normal-people pay growth (which is included in this) has been dropping over the same period, 2.2% -> 1.8% -> 1.2% to 0.6% this year. Point is the bonus tax avoidance thing doesn't explain the drop at all, it distracts from the actual reasons why the growth figures are dropping - ordinary people's wages are drifting towards negative nominal growth (they're already negative in reality). We just don't know how bad it actually was in 2013, that's all ~* Another thing *~ quote:•The number of employees increased by 447,000 to reach 25.77 million. Almost half of the employment increase is self-employment - that is to say, of the people who didn't have jobs last year, but do now, fully 48% of them have started their own businesses and are working for themselves. Dynamic entrepreneurs in waiting, shackled by the welfare system, and now realising their full potential in the free market? Or JSA claimants pushed into unviable and insecure situations so targets can be met? Who can say! That's now 15% of the entire working population of the UK 'being their own boss' baka kaba fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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baka kaba posted:
"self-employed" conjurers images of tradesmen making decent livings, not door-to-door kleeneze salespeople (which is far more likely). The entirety of unemployment reporting needs reviewed. The binary "do you have a job y/n?" system has lead to real fiddling, and more focus on how much people have in their pocket at the end of the week is a far better metric. I really hope the opposition push this from an "are you better off now than you were five years ago?" angle.
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winegums posted:"self-employed" conjurers images of tradesmen making decent livings It does, and that's sort of the point! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...d-suggests.html quote:“This country has a great history of entrepreneurship and small businesses are in many ways the backbone of the UK economy. The growth in self-employment is both a sign and a result of the economic recovery this Government is delivering. We should welcome this sign that the entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well in the UK.” It's a great bit of spin because not only does it lower the unemployment figures, it conjures up all this aspirational atmosphere, that what's being 'created' is actually better than a normal job. Work for yourself, follow your dreams, be your own boss and live your life the way you want! It fits exactly with this narrative of people being trapped on welfare, and that all these [strike]cuts[/strike]reforms are about helping people to escape and fulfil their potential. Of course what most unemployed people want is a job and some security so they can get on with building a life, and self-employment can be either desperation or - like you say - exploitative bullshit jobs that are basically zero-hour contracts, except you're 'freelancing' and you might not even get paid for the work you do
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baka kaba posted:It's a great bit of spin because not only does it lower the unemployment figures, it conjures up all this aspirational atmosphere, that what's being 'created' is actually better than a normal job. Work for yourself, follow your dreams, be your own boss and live your life the way you want! It fits exactly with this narrative of people being trapped on welfare, and that all these [strike]cuts[/strike]reforms are about helping people to escape and fulfil their potential. It is an important and popular fact that Arbeit Macht Frei.
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Being self-employed I can say its pretty poo poo, often waiting on edge for any kind of contract to come in so I might have enough to cover the bills this month- and like others I know that are self-employed I'm looking to take a "normal" job if a suitable one comes up because gently caress not being able to afford half-decent scotch to numb myself into oblivion. The union is great though, I'm always giving my bosses poo poo and slacking right off 
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It's obvious to me that your business could be booming if you didn't have those feckless, workshy employees. Have you considered downsizing?
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Don't be ridiculous, he should hire only immigrants at below minimum wage and then blame them for taking the jobs of hard-working British.
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