NBA N/V December: DJ Augustinian Confessions

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Who's the best team so far? This poll is closed.
Warriors	117	48.35%
Raptors	39	16.12%
Bulls	15	6.20%
TrailBlazers	25	10.33%
Grizzlies	46	19.01%
Total:	242 votes

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Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

straight up brolic posted:

Hm yes nitpicking blake's game in a situation where he was the leading scorer on a good fg% and the Clippers won by like 25 pts

Yes but I do cringe every time Blake Griffin takes a long two. A man-beast like him need not take them.

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Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Mid-ranged jumpers can open up a post game because it generally discourages the defender from entrenching himself closer to a basket.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:44

Zogo: Jul 29, 2003

Jack's Flow posted:

This is correct. And now that the Warriors are actually good, I don't post much anymore because there's nothing to piss and moan about. Not having to cuss out Mark Jackson feels good though.

Does it seem like Steve Kerr will be an NBA coach for a while? I think I remember a lot not liking that choice but they have the best record so it has to be going okay.

Bashez posted:

They're loving idiots. Put Isiah's bad boys in place of today's pistons and they wouldn't look much better.

Josh Smith is the closest thing we'll get to a 1980's all star entering a time machine and trying to compete in the modern NBA.

I wouldn't want to call Wilt and Isiah outright idiots. They just have that familiar "back in my day everything was better" outlook. Like every person thinking their time was superior.

Also, it's probably amplified in famous athletes because they no longer have their athletic skills and need to preserve their egos. It's obvious that athleticism is still improving so they have to attack players intellect. It's like a coping/defense mechanism.

Hashtag Banterzone posted:

It's funny you say "#1 team in the East" and not "6-7th best team in the league".

They still are the #1 SRS team in the league.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:56

hot salad: Jun 25, 2005; Did you just say
the word 'scoff'?

Blake has also complained a few times about being fouled hard & not getting calls. Maybe he's just trying to not get his body smashed to hell 20 games into the season.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:01

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Rick posted:

Mid-ranged jumpers can open up a post game because it generally discourages the defender from entrenching himself closer to a basket.

Mid-ranged jumpers (15' to 18') are just fine. Comparatively speaking, Griffin takes a lot of shots from a foot or two inside the line.

Considering his strengths, I don't see why he should take any of them.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:07

Eratik: Jun 23, 2004; I like your style.

November/December seems like a good time to practice those shots. They're still third in offence, so it's not like it's hurting them much.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:11

The Duggler: Feb 20, 2011; I do not hear you, I do not see you, I will not let you get into the Duggler's head with your bring-downs.

I think John Wall might be my favorite PG in the league. He doesn't excel so much in any one area (other than maybe being super athletic) but I feel like he is a threat from everywhere, all the time, at both ends.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:12

roundmidnight: Jul 9, 2010

He's an elite passer and collapser of defenses which makes him an ideal PG.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:21

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Crazy Ted posted:

I don't know that FG%!! was banned!! Sorry if we use it sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't always have to go to advanced statistics to show that a player is poo poo. Any player who gets regular minutes in the NBA and shoots less than 40% from the floor is actively hurting his team. He's wasting possessions, giving opponents extra possessions, and quite possibly stalling the offense with bad shots and bad decisions.

Okay fine True Shooting % - Brandon Jennings was third worst among guards who received regular minutes last year. He was worse than Ricky Rubio on an extra five shots per game. He was only 17th worst in 2012/13 (good job!), but he played more minutes than anyone in the bottom 20 except Monta Ellis. 2010/11: 8th worst TS% among guards. So far this season? He's not in the bottom 20 (yay!), but he's still 60th.

Yes Brandon Jennings has had a decentish start to the 2014/15 season, but you'll have to forgive us if we think he'll revert to his established form. John Wall is no great shakes shooting the ball, but he makes up for it by being one of the best passers in the league. Ty Lawson's shooting has dipped over the first quarter of the season, but he should revert to his norm, which is as a player who hits both 2's and 3's at a decent-to-good rate.

Tae was using FG% to say Jennings was bad this year, but he isn't. He's not as good as Wall, obviously, but he's a lot cheaper and has been pretty decent. There are a lot of ways to talk about a players efficiency, but FG% is a really bad one, especially when your talking about a guy who is hitting a lot of 3s and getting to the line, two things FG% doesn't cover.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:25

straight up brolic: Jan 31, 2007; After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

Crazy Ted posted:

Mid-ranged jumpers (15' to 18') are just fine. Comparatively speaking, Griffin takes a lot of shots from a foot or two inside the line.

Considering his strengths, I don't see why he should take any of them.

he's shooting 40% from there this season which is fine and the threat of him shooting has opened up a ton of looks for his teammates.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:44

Bashez: Jul 19, 2004

straight up brolic posted:

he's shooting 40% from there this season which is fine and the threat of him shooting has opened up a ton of looks for his teammates.

40% shooting for 2 points is awful.

Defenses should pop confetti every time Griffin takes a jump shot.

Edit: Awful is a strong word. It's way worse compared to Griffin doing anything at the rim though. Which is where he needs to be.

Bashez fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Dec 5, 2014

# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:49

Mornacale: Dec 19, 2007; n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates

Zogo posted:

Does it seem like Steve Kerr will be an NBA coach for a while? I think I remember a lot not liking that choice but they have the best record so it has to be going okay.

The Warriors haven't had any defensive falloff and their offense looks a lot better so far. He's willing to experiment with rotations, which is cool, and a couple of his questionable lineup decisions (starting Barnes, a big role for Mo Speights) have paid off really well. But then, when you're 15-2 every decision looks pretty good; there's a lot of season left for his weaknesses to become apparent.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:03

IcePhoenix: Sep 18, 2005; Take me to your Shida

straight up brolic posted:

he's shooting 40% from there this season which is fine and the threat of him shooting has opened up a ton of looks for his teammates.

if he took a step or two back instead and shot 27% he would be more efficient than he is now and create even more space.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:08

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

IcePhoenix posted:

if he took a step or two back instead and shot 27% he would be more efficient than he is now and create even more space.

Ah yes the Charles Barkley model.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:09

H-Tail: Dec 18, 2005; "I'm not a crybaby"

Sorry for more Sixers chat, but given their 'roster construction', they can't be anywhere near the salary floor, right? What are the penalties for that, and shouldn't they therefore be trying to pick up any big expiring contracts that they can?

# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:24

hitze: Aug 28, 2007; Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...

Hopefully it's losing the lottery forever

# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:25

morestuff: Aug 2, 2008; You can't stop what's coming

H-Tail posted:

Sorry for more Sixers chat, but given their 'roster construction', they can't be anywhere near the salary floor, right? What are the penalties for that, and shouldn't they therefore be trying to pick up any big expiring contracts that they can?

There is essentially no penalty for not hitting the floor. You just spread a little more around to the players you have.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:26

ChickenMedium: Sep 2, 2001; Forum Veteran And Professor Emeritus of Condiment Studies

morestuff posted:

There is essentially no penalty for not hitting the floor. You just spread a little more around to the players you have.

Philadelphia 76ers: Basketball Communists :argh:

# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:51

Panzeh: Nov 27, 2006; "..The high ground"

The problem with the Clippers is that their flow is going to get them into Blake griffin long 2s as long as he has to play next to Deandre Jordan.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:52

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Tangentially NBA-related, but I want Charles Barkley to revert back to his playing days and throw this guy through a window:

quote:

Charles Barkley is right in saying he isn�t Uncle Tom. Give credit to Uncle Tom for at least having some level of education, after all.

Barkley, as white America�s new favorite black guy, now that Bill Cosby has been disgraced, is Stepin Fetchit.

Want to be entertained by a stream of slow wit? Barkley�s your man, if you consider his brand of gibberish packaged as commentary on professional basketball entertaining. His delivery is as clunky as his well-chronicled awful, horrendous golf swing, but he says just enough off-the-wall stuff among the grunts and groans to keep himself employed.

He maintains his relevance as a social commentator, and yes, it is painful to have to write that sentence, considering, by giving white America what it wants to hear, and he did it again this week in media interviews about the fallout from the decision of a Missouri grand jury against indicting a police officer who shot an unarmed black teen.

�The true story came out from the grand jury testimony,� said Barkley, who later admitted not having read the grand jury testimony, which of course provided copious detail into how Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson gunned down 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The decision of the grand jury justifies itself, we have to believe from listening to Barkley, who also advises us to be careful with cops, because if we�re not, we�d be living in �the Wild, Wild West.�

To that, OK, Charles, point well made. Cops go rogue and kill a kid for stealing cigarettes, them�s the wages of sin, right?

�We as black people, we have a lot of crooks. We can�t just wait until something like this happens. We have to look at ourselves in the mirror,� Barkley said. �There is a reason that they racially profile us in the way they do. Sometimes it is wrong, and sometimes it is right.�

This, of course, is what the Fox News set, the middle-class, conservative white folks who go out of their way to watch Glenn Beck, want to hear a black man say. Cops don�t kill innocent people; if a cop kills you, with a gun or with a chokehold, you probably deserved it.

The Uncle Tom of literature was beaten to death after refusing to betray two runaway slaves; Charles Barkley is going out of his way to throw every black person in America under the nearest bus. Bad analogy, trying to bring together those two.

Stepin Fetchit was a role played by an accomplished actor and writer who after early success with the trickster character fell out of favor with white audiences and became a depressing, grotesque caricature of himself in his later years.

Meaning that Barkley is a few steps looking up at even being Stepin Fetchit, which is wholly depressing considering how much cultural relevance this guy, for some reason, still seems to have.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 03:09

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Crazy Ted posted:

Tangentially NBA-related, but I want Charles Barkley to revert back to his playing days and throw this guy through a window:

Nah, That guy is p much right. gently caress Barkley

# ? Dec 5, 2014 03:11

SamuraiFoochs: Jan 16, 2007; Grimey Drawer

Dexo posted:

Nah, That guy is p much right. gently caress Barkley

As a non-racial minority I find the notion of an Uncle Tom and similar concepts extremely tacky.

What Charles said is terrible perhaps but the tone of that article is loving insufferable.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 04:18

hitze: Aug 28, 2007; Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...

Some heinous poo poo went down today

# ? Dec 5, 2014 04:26

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

SamuraiFoochs posted:

As a non-racial minority I find the notion of an Uncle Tom and similar concepts extremely tacky.

What Charles said is terrible perhaps but the tone of that article is loving insufferable.

gently caress Charles Barkley, while how the author decided to frame his takedown probably wasn't the most elegant, but the dude even said that Uncle Tom(from the book) wasn't that bad of a character.

What Barkley is saying is way loving worse than bringing up Uncle Tom, as it's endorsing and giving power to a justice system that is blatantly saying gently caress you to due process and any appearance of fairness. Like the entire process was complete bullshit and by just accepting it and then saying, well he stole some swishers he deserved it is exactly why we are in this position, as those who are in power can continue to get away with this poo poo since you have people endorsing that criminality is a reason to be killed if you are black. There are dudes who have literally committed murder who the police have managed to bring in alive, and yet a 6-4 police officer calls a black 20 year old an "it" Demonic mini hulk, and has to empty a clip. A Cop is allowed to roll up GTA style on a 12 year old and kill him in less than 4 seconds because gently caress it he's black and playing with a toy gun.

He's speaking like the truth came out, and his dumb rear end hasn't even read the loving report, which most lawyers and legal analysts have agreed was mishandled and the jurors were lied to about numerous things.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 04:51

Icy Penguigo: Nov 7, 2010

Kyrie Irving is averaging career highs in FG% and 3P%. A boost to his %s should come as no surprise, but 22 points on 48/42/82 shooting is pretty awesome.

Icy Penguigo fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Dec 5, 2014

# ? Dec 5, 2014 04:53

roundmidnight: Jul 9, 2010

Charles Barkley is what happens when poor people get rich and decide to hang out exclusively with other rich people once they get theirs.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 04:54

MourningView: Sep 2, 2006; Is this Heaven?

Can we please not do this whole stupid thing and talk about loving basketball

# ? Dec 5, 2014 04:57

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

MourningView posted:

Can we please not do this whole stupid thing and talk about loving basketball

Yeah, Sorry, I'm done.

Edit: Still tho gently caress Barkley

# ? Dec 5, 2014 04:58

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Dexo posted:

gently caress Charles Barkley, while how the author decided to frame his takedown probably wasn't the most elegant, but the dude even said that Uncle Tom(from the book) wasn't that bad of a character.

What Barkley is saying is way loving worse than bringing up Uncle Tom, as it's endorsing and giving power to a justice system that is blatantly saying gently caress you to due process and any appearance of fairness. Like the entire process was complete bullshit and by just accepting it and then saying, well he stole some swishers he deserved it is exactly why we are in this position, as those who are in power can continue to get away with this poo poo since you have people endorsing that criminality is a reason to be killed if you are black. There are dudes who have literally committed murder who the police have managed to bring in alive, and yet a 6-4 police officer calls a black 20 year old an "it" Demonic mini hulk, and has to empty a clip. A Cop is allowed to roll up GTA style on a 12 year old and kill him in less than 4 seconds because gently caress it he's black and playing with a toy gun.

He's speaking like the truth came out, and his dumb rear end hasn't even read the loving report, which most lawyers and legal analysts have agreed was mishandled and the jurors were lied to about numerous things.

Does this mean the white author gets to go "I don't agree what with Charles Barkley has to say, so I get to refer to him with insults that black people consider equal to friend of the family"?

Etan Thomas touched on this over the last couple of days and said that Charles Barkley is wrong but referring to him in terms like that is still awful.

I imagine he got what he wanted anyway since people are reading this article.

EDIT: I didn't see MourningView's post.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 04:59

FuzzySkinner: May 23, 2012

Icy Penguigo posted:

Kyrie Irving is averaging career highs in FG% and 3P%. A boost to his %s should come as no surprise, but 22 points on 48/42/82 shooting is pretty awesome.

I have this on DVR and was only able to watch the last couple of minutes.

Did he have himself hell of a game? I saw the stat line, and just kind of wanted to go further than that.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 05:07

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

nevermind.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 05:11

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

FuzzySkinner posted:

I have this on DVR and was only able to watch the last couple of minutes.

Did he have himself hell of a game? I saw the stat line, and just kind of wanted to go further than that.

Irving was very, very good and it came at the perfect time as both LeBron James and Kevin Love were a bit off tonight..

# ? Dec 5, 2014 05:14

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Corey "Bad Porn" Maggette just somehow became my 177th follower on Twitter. I shotgun out useless nonsense so I could seen how he could be drawn to me since I reflect his NBA career.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 05:18

Dejan Bimble: Mar 24, 2008; we're all black friends; Plaster Town Cop

Spoeank posted:

Corey "Bad Porn" Maggette just somehow became my 177th follower on Twitter. I shotgun out useless nonsense so I could seen how he could be drawn to me since I reflect his NBA career.

Ask him if he thought it was funny that he was traded for Ben Gordon and a 1st round pick

# ? Dec 5, 2014 05:37

hitze: Aug 28, 2007; Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...

This is good

# ? Dec 5, 2014 06:18

danucleus: Nov 22, 2007; hmm

Spoeank posted:

Corey "Bad Porn" Maggette just somehow became my 177th follower on Twitter. I shotgun out useless nonsense so I could seen how he could be drawn to me since I reflect his NBA career.

HOLY poo poo me too!! I've been retweeted a few times by the Clippers' affiliates, but I haven't even touched twitter in weeks!

# ? Dec 5, 2014 06:23

Icy Penguigo: Nov 7, 2010

FuzzySkinner posted:

I have this on DVR and was only able to watch the last couple of minutes.

Did he have himself hell of a game? I saw the stat line, and just kind of wanted to go further than that.

I think the 2nd quarter was the highest scoring quarter of his career (20 points?)

He didn't score a single point in the 1st quarter but otherwise he just seemed like he could do whatever he wanted on the court. Most of his points were on drives. That man is a magician not only with his handles but his ability to hit layups at weird angles.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 06:32