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Who's the best team so far? This poll is closed. |
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| Warriors |
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117 | 48.35% |
| Raptors |
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39 | 16.12% |
| Bulls |
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15 | 6.20% |
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25 | 10.33% |
| Grizzlies |
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46 | 19.01% |
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This is unexpected and unsustainable, but cool http://www.basketball-reference.com...rder_by=off_rtg
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Dec 5, 2014 18:02
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lovely players go to Syracuse and get drafted in the lottery so of course they will continue to go there. Hell, Fab Melo got drafted in the first even though everyone knew he'd be a bust. Hell, Boston knew he'd be a bust but they figured they had two first rounders so what the hell. Syracuse magic.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:08
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WYA posted:This is unexpected and unsustainable, but cool Dallas' offense got a fawning Zach Lowe feature like a week ago and now Toronto's passed them. I don't think the raps will get that treatment since their offense since their strategy is mostly "Get fouled and make shots."
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Dec 5, 2014 18:15
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dokmo posted:Are we still talking about Drummond? The whole point is that he's totally raw, and forcing him this late in his career to pick up skills that are largely ineffective against today's NBA defenses is mind boggling. This isn't 2003 and nobody posts up anymore because it's hard to score on those plays even for seasoned post scorers. This is 2014, a pick and roll league, and here's a player who raw skills fit pick and rolls perfectly. I think good post play is still valuable if the refs aren't swallowing their whistles. But yeah if you have someone who doesn't already have some moves that can be incorporated in their post game then it's going to be very difficult for them to pick it up. And to answer Libertine, it's not that players can't have both of these skills. Pau Gasol very good post player and a very good screen/pick and roll player. The reasons why a lot of guys only have one of these skills is because one of them is really easy to learn. Anyone who can stand and walk and do a layup can learn the pick and roll in five or ten minutes. And if that person happens to be able stand, walk really fast, jump really loving high with lots of power and not only hit a layup but dunk, you have a guy who is an offensive monster in any basketball system. You need much more offensive refinement to learn a post game. It requires some shots you're really good at making, some countermoves for those shots you're also good at making, good footwork, smart passing and the ability to absorb a lot of punishment.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:37
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Rick posted:I think good post play is still valuable if the refs aren't swallowing their whistles. It depends. Al Jefferson gets like four free throws a game.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:40
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Post play is really, really tricky. You gotta be seriously basketball smart to be good at it. My #hotsportstake on Dwight is that he's a giant idiot and isn't smart enough to play well in the post.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:51
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Wasntt here a story about Dwight where he stalked some porn star to her house and when she told him to leave he pulled his dick out?
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Dec 5, 2014 19:04
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A couple of weeks ago I was asking about Schröder's lack of playing time in Atlanta, and now he's played himself into the rotation and there's a Lowe piece up on Grantland. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/could-dennis-schroder-evolve-into-atlantas-answer/
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Dec 5, 2014 19:07
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WYA posted:Wasntt here a story about Dwight where he stalked some porn star to her house and when she told him to leave he pulled his dick out? He tried to post up on her but missed his shot. I would honestly believe anything about Dwight's weird sex poo poo at this point because of all the stories about him. He's like a 13 year old in a giant's body.
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Dec 5, 2014 19:11
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"Snap out of it, Dwight!" "Last time I checked, I'm the guy paying your bills." "Oh, right. Carry on!" "FART"
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Dec 5, 2014 19:14
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WYA posted:Wasntt here a story about Dwight where he stalked some porn star to her house and when she told him to leave he pulled his dick out? He sent a bunch of bible verses trying to Save Mary Carey from a sinful life of porn then he showed up at her boyfriends house, pulled her into the bathroom, and whipped out his dick. she refused his advances because she was dating N Sync's Chris Kirkpatrick and he was in the next room.
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Dec 5, 2014 19:17
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol found it “Dwight’s a cool guy. For a month, we like talked on the phone, and he was always trying to give me prayers to get me out of porn and give me Bible verses to read. So then, I was going to go visit him when I was in Orlando, but I went over to this other guy’s house instead, Chris Kirkpatrick from N’Sync. And then Dwight started calling, and calling, and calling me, because he knew I was with Chris Kirkpatrick, so eventually at 3 in the morning, Chris was like don’t answer Dwight’s calls. “I get a text from Dwight at 3 in the morning — I’m outside Chris’s house. I’m like oh my god, what do I do? I was like, I got Dwight here and I got Chris in the other room and I’m talking to them back and forth. So finally I had to just pull Dwight in the bathroom and tell him he needs to go home. I was like I’m really sorry, I really like you, but this isn’t the time or place. When I pull him in the bathroom, he pulls his pants down, I was like, whoa. Yeah, and so I ran and started screaming.”
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Dec 5, 2014 19:18
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Yikes, getting turned down for washed up Chris Kirkpatrick
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Dec 5, 2014 19:52
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Jack's Flow posted:A couple of weeks ago I was asking about Schröder's lack of playing time in Atlanta, and now he's played himself into the rotation and there's a Lowe piece up on Grantland. He's always been able to get to the rim pretty much at will, if he can start to actually finish then he can be pretty good.
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Dec 5, 2014 20:06
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MourningView posted:He's always been able to get to the rim pretty much at will, if he can start to actually finish then he can be pretty good. I feel like I've heard this before but I can't quite put my finger on it
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Dec 5, 2014 20:10
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IcePhoenix posted:I feel like I've heard this before but I can't quite put my finger on it He's actually doing it so far this year, and hasn't been in the league as long.
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Dec 5, 2014 20:13
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Crazy Ted posted:I don't know that FG%!! was banned!! Sorry if we use it sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, this is pretty wrong. Take Chauncy Billups in 03-04. He shot under 40% but still had a good offensive season because of his FTs and threes (55% TS%, 112 ORTG).
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Dec 5, 2014 20:14
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dokmo posted:It's insane to take an awesome pick and roll threat like Drummond, who is unstoppable going downhill, and force him to grind it out against defenses that don't need to double the post anymore, particularly since he has never posted anyone up before, much less NBA sized defenders. I really think it's stealth tanking. Maybe Van Gundy is going senile. Drummond had a jump hook that worked really well for those cases when he was close but couldn't dunk. I don't know, it's awfully strange and counterproductive. On a positive note, Greg Monroe is going to the bench, and the three big lineup may be dead. And Smith is back to power forward. Greg Monroe Drummond lineups have been a lot more productive than Smith Drummond lineups, but I'll take it. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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Dec 5, 2014 21:26
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I'm going to tell my future children "Timofey Mozgov can make 72.3% of his free throws, why can't you?"
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Dec 5, 2014 21:44
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Thanks to a link from that Zach Lowe article I recognize that Cole Aldrich, Samuel Dalembert, and Amar'e Stoudemire are indeed the best rim-protecting big man rotation in the league  http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/team/defense/?sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=-1 numbers may be boosted somewhat by uncontrollable fouling and teams not needing to make too many shots at the rim when they're getting open looks at three and easy offensive rebounds all night but still (3rd in the league in getting-drained-on-from-three, 5th in the league in allowing o-rebounds)
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Dec 5, 2014 21:56
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Dexo posted:3) Guards/Wings go to Kansas. What about Kirk? 
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Dec 6, 2014 00:21
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EvanTH posted:If Bizort is around can he tell me how Summer League God Kyle O'Quinn has been looking since return? He was ejected Flagrant 2 for a clean block on a lame dunk and I didn't get to see him play no more. Fined $15,000 for it I believe O'Quinn is kind of a hidden gem at this point. He has a decent enough jumper for a big, very good passer for his size, great rebounder, can block a shot or two. His biggest knock is that he's not very athletic but he's a smart player and very willing to work so I see him having a 10 year career easily. He'd be the starter if Vucevic wasn't playing like an all-star. So far this year he's had some really nice games since coming back and he's begun playing crunch time minutes. I'm legitimately worried that his secret might get out and some team will throw their full MLE at him and Orlando loses him. That flagrant 2 was complete bullshit, too. He blocked the shot through his hands, which wasn't his fault, and hit Blake in the face. He made a play for the ball so it shouldn't have been a flagrant at all, let alone a flagrant 2. The league is making themselves look silly to protect Blake and for their troubles, he shoots 10 20-footers a game. With Detroit and Van Gundy, he's making Jennings play out of character as well. That Detroit team was a bit of a lost cause to begin with so I kind of wonder if Van Gundy is using this season to develop some of the players that he thinks should have these skill sets. BIZORT fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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Dec 6, 2014 00:24
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Igor Strelkov posted:I really think it's stealth tanking. Maybe Van Gundy is going senile. Drummond had a jump hook that worked really well for those cases when he was close but couldn't dunk. I don't know, it's awfully strange and counterproductive.
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Dec 6, 2014 00:25
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Robin Lopez is A Thug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsiobjR7JAY
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Dec 6, 2014 02:06
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Fast Luck posted:I'm still not sold it's such a bad move. The guy is still young (turned 21 in August), and the Pistons don't need to win right now. Just grind away and see if he can learn a skill, and go back to doing more PnR once the team has a chance to actually be relevant. If it works, sure, and he's a good enough athlete to do Hakeem moves, although he's not especially graceful. I don't really care since this team as constructed is apparently not good enough to do anything. Let them develop. Hopefully Towns or Mudiay will be great. Hopefully they can wring some trade value out of Smith and Monroe.
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Dec 6, 2014 02:17
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Fast Luck posted:I'm still not sold it's such a bad move. The guy is still young (turned 21 in August), and the Pistons don't need to win right now. Just grind away and see if he can learn a skill, and go back to doing more PnR once the team has a chance to actually be relevant. The NBA doesn't seem like the right setting for it, but now that you phrase it that way Van Gundy literally has a famous speech from a coaching seminar where he talks about exactly this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ9jTOAMTtk I mean the speech is mainly targeted at coaching kids, but it's oddly specific to what's happening with Drummond.
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Dec 6, 2014 02:25
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For anyone who was tracking, Rubio won't be back before January: http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/04/flip-saunders-says-ricky-rubio-will-not-return-until-january/
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Dec 6, 2014 02:27
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This felt N/V-worthy
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Dec 6, 2014 02:47
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Jose no!
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Dec 6, 2014 02:51
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attackmole posted:The NBA doesn't seem like the right setting for it, but now that you phrase it that way Van Gundy literally has a famous speech from a coaching seminar where he talks about exactly this. And Drummond didn't start playing basketball until his freshman year of high school, so he has a big skill deficit. Sorry to keep cluttering the thread with pistons stuff, everyone.
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Dec 6, 2014 02:54
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Igor Strelkov posted:And Drummond didn't start playing basketball until his freshman year of high school, so he has a big skill deficit. Sorry to keep cluttering the thread with pistons stuff, everyone. I talk about Pelicans all the time, so I will not begrudge you from talking about your favorite team. 
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Dec 6, 2014 02:56
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gently caress Van Gundy for trying to teach a player some skills. He's been playing for like 7 years so he has it figured out
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Dec 6, 2014 03:00
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"Blocked the snot out of the shot" is the perfect descriptor. Igor Strelkov posted:And Drummond didn't start playing basketball until his freshman year of high school, so he has a big skill deficit. Sorry to keep cluttering the thread with pistons stuff, everyone. We need more Philly/Timberwolves chat.
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Dec 6, 2014 03:00
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That block is Calderon
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Dec 6, 2014 03:01
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The Van Gundy video makes some salient points. It's amazing how little basketball guys like Alex Poythress and Archie Goodwin were able to accomplish and still get (or will be) drafted. There is a non trivial amount of dudes who don't do anything productive until year 5 or 6 of their pro careers.
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Dec 6, 2014 03:12
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Kibner posted:I talk about Pelicans all the time, so I will not begrudge you from talking about your favorite team. Between you and I we make the GDT like 70% about the Pelicans every time they play.
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Dec 6, 2014 03:49
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Igor Strelkov posted:And Drummond didn't start playing basketball until his freshman year of high school, so he has a big skill deficit. Sorry to keep cluttering the thread with pistons stuff, everyone. I very much enjoy reading yours and other fans of marginalized teams in depth posts about what's goin on.
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Dec 6, 2014 04:00
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Between you and I we make the GDT like 70% about the Pelicans every time they play.  Better talk in those threads than the equivalent ones on any Pelicans fan board.
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Dec 6, 2014 04:15
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Igor Strelkov posted:And Drummond didn't start playing basketball until his freshman year of high school, so he has a big skill deficit. Sorry to keep cluttering the thread with pistons stuff, everyone. Everyone should feel comfortable to talk about any basketball team or player that's interesting to them imo, as basketball is cool
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Dec 6, 2014 04:20
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MourningView posted:He's always been able to get to the rim pretty much at will, if he can start to actually finish then he can be pretty good. If he develops a Tony Parker-esque floater, he's going to be interesting. He and Teague are soooooooo fast.
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