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What's the difference between a Frankensteiner and a Hurricanrana?
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Dec 28, 2014 06:57
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Smoking Crow posted:What's the difference between a Frankensteiner and a Hurricanrana? A hurricanrana ends with a pin, technically speaking. If I remember correctly, it was the finishing move of Hurrican.
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Dec 28, 2014 07:00
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Smoking Crow posted:What's the difference between a Frankensteiner and a Hurricanrana? Technically a rana must end with a pin because it's a hurricane pin. A Frankensteiner is a non-spinning headscissors where a significant amount of steroids are present.
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Dec 28, 2014 07:00
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Smoking Crow posted:What's the difference between a Frankensteiner and a Hurricanrana? They're the same move. A Frankensteiner specifically starts with the victim sitting on a turnbuckle, but it's otherwise the same throw. If you want to get really pedantic, the original Rana also ends in a pin. OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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Dec 28, 2014 07:05
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Frankensteiner spikes you on your head, hurricanrana doesn't.
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Dec 28, 2014 08:00
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DeathChicken posted:Frankensteiner spikes you on your head, hurricanrana doesn't. You've never seen Ken Shamrock do a huricanrana
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Dec 28, 2014 08:46
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ayn rand hand job posted:They're the same move. No it doesn't. When Steiner was started doing it, he'd just whip the guys into the ropes and catch them with it as they came rebounding back. They don't have to be on the turnbuckle.
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Dec 28, 2014 16:34
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IronCladBurrito posted:Given his current gimmick, I'd say "his gimmick is racist enough without skinhead stigma being attached to it" He might also personally enjoy looking like Biff Tannen.
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Dec 28, 2014 17:35
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Davros1 posted:No it doesn't. When Steiner was started doing it, he'd just whip the guys into the ropes and catch them with it as they came rebounding back. They don't have to be on the turnbuckle. In modern terminology though, the frankensteiner has come to mean a top rope rana, much like how hurricanrana is used even when a pin doesn't happen. I bet video game CAWs are partially to blame.
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Dec 28, 2014 17:49
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Gaz-L posted:there's a limit to how much they'd want to paper/block off So how does one become someone who pads seats when they paper the house?
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Dec 28, 2014 19:51
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Sub Rosa posted:So how does one become someone who pads seats when they paper the house? In most cases listen to local radio stations for giveaways. For smaller companies a promoter might team up with a local car dealer or something. If a company is really desperate they'll have people handing out tickets at tourist spots or near the arena.
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Dec 28, 2014 20:08
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Why does WWE hire sitcom and reality show writers instead of, like, you know, serial fiction writers? Would that just make too much sense? Are they, even internally, still grappling with being a theatrical story-centric performance art and not a fake sport?
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Dec 28, 2014 21:00
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Under the vegetable posted:Why does WWE hire sitcom and reality show writers instead of, like, you know, serial fiction writers? Would that just make too much sense? Are they, even internally, still grappling with being a theatrical story-centric performance art and not a fake sport? They've hired soap opera writers before.
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Dec 28, 2014 21:04
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Under the vegetable posted:Why does WWE hire sitcom and reality show writers instead of, like, you know, serial fiction writers? Would that just make too much sense? Are they, even internally, still grappling with being a theatrical story-centric performance art and not a fake sport? I don't understand why they don't hire indie wrestling bookers/promoters to write it but that's just me
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Dec 28, 2014 21:05
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Under the vegetable posted:Are they, even internally, still grappling with being a theatrical story-centric performance art and not a fake sport? Reminder that this is a company that gladly lets just about any remotely popular or semi-famous celebrity do a guest spot on their biggest weekly show, in the hopes that this will garner them more viewers and mainstream press. Of course they're still struggling with this problem (that isn't actually a problem to anyone except the guy who runs the company and his right-hand man).
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Dec 28, 2014 21:10
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MassRafTer posted:They've hired soap opera writers before. I guess that applies but it's still such low-rent, known for being inconsistent type writing. Is hiring somebody off of Flash or something on Showtime or whatever going to be prohibitively expensive for them? No faith in their performers? I mean, I agree with Smoking Crow that it would probably be for the best if they just hired actual wrestling writers. It's just kind of confusing because they brag about being the longest, most successful serialized tv show in history or whatever, but they actively work against presenting it like a serialized fiction tv show.
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Dec 28, 2014 21:11
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Everything they do is driven by their massive inferiority complex.
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Dec 28, 2014 21:25
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They mention it on the AE Podcast. But for a while they had an actual writer as their head writer who kept a whiteboard of all the wrestlers and who hated who etc (It also helped when they could say that so and so wouldn't run in to help Triple H because we saw that 4 months ago they were in a feud etc). From what I remember he was largely derided for taking the job seriously.
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Dec 28, 2014 21:37
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DrVenkman posted:They mention it on the AE Podcast. But for a while they had an actual writer as their head writer who kept a whiteboard of all the wrestlers and who hated who etc (It also helped when they could say that so and so wouldn't run in to help Triple H because we saw that 4 months ago they were in a feud etc). From what I remember he was largely derided for taking the job seriously. Reminder that this dude was head writer during 2000 aka one of the best written years of WWE's history and when he left poo poo went south pretty fast.
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Dec 28, 2014 21:49
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They also felt hiring Freddie Prinze jr as a writer would help with the product. It didn't.
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Dec 28, 2014 21:54
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Genuinely convinced they've only ever made compelling tv by accident.
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Dec 28, 2014 22:00
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OldTennisCourt posted:Reminder that this dude was head writer during 2000 aka one of the best written years of WWE's history and when he left poo poo went south pretty fast. He also died at 43. gently caress cancer. 
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Dec 28, 2014 22:02
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no hire is going to make for consistent, logical tv when the guy running the show routinely rewrites the scripts less than 24 hours before the show airs
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Dec 28, 2014 22:13
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Or, y'know, while it's airing.
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Dec 28, 2014 22:15
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If you count Wrestlemania 16, when he wrestled as himself, then Mick Foley has had a world title match with four completely separate gimmicks. Early and late Mankind are so different you could probably make a stretch for 5. Has anyone else come close to this?
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Dec 28, 2014 22:35
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Smoking Crow posted:I don't understand why they don't hire indie wrestling bookers/promoters to write it but that's just me Meltzer has mentioned before that they typically dislike hiring fans. I assume because they don't want a fan fighting hard for specific guys they like to get all the pushes and perks. Because those belong to John Cena, and John Cena alone.
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Dec 28, 2014 23:14
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Brutus Beefcake headlined against Hogan at Starrcade as The Butcher, and I think he got at least one title match against Hogan as Zodiac. That's all I can think of.Under the vegetable posted:Why does WWE hire sitcom and reality show writers instead of, like, you know, serial fiction writers? Would that just make too much sense? Are they, even internally, still grappling with being a theatrical story-centric performance art and not a fake sport? Unless the pay is really high, no prominent writer wants to work for WWE and have everything they do ignored and overruled on a daily basis while being dismissed as a dork for actually caring about their job.
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Dec 28, 2014 23:34
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Smoking Crow posted:I don't understand why they don't hire indie wrestling bookers/promoters to write it but that's just me They will hire the right guy, like Court Bauer. Mostly writing a single show a month is nothing like writing weekly TV so it isn't the best experience.
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Dec 28, 2014 23:51
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And Bauer still got chewed out for using insider terms. I think it's partly a power thing, they don't want the creative people to think they know the business better than the family.
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Dec 29, 2014 00:24
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ICHIBAHN posted:Genuinely convinced they've only ever made compelling tv by accident. This is almost the case. As stated before, the AE podcast makes the point that the guy was routinely laughed at and mocked for having actual storyboards and graphs/lists to make full sense of feuds and story-lines. Most people would realize that having a detailed list and point by point setups of major feuds and stories is common sense but of course the WWE fired/he left in 2001. I truly, absolutely believe that the Invasion story would have been 10000000 times better if they had a guy like that at the helm of writing it That would be a fun little thought experiement, how would you make a non lovely Invasion story? Edit: Chris Kreski was the guy's name as stated below, I forget it for a sec. OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Dec 29, 2014 00:44
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His name was Chris Kreski, goddammit. And he was awesome.
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Dec 29, 2014 01:00
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OldTennisCourt posted:This is almost the case. As stated before, the AE podcast makes the point that the guy was routinely laughed at and mocked for having actual storyboards and graphs/lists to make full sense of feuds and story-lines. Most people would realize that having a detailed list and point by point setups of major feuds and stories is common sense but of course the WWE fired/he left in 2001. I truly, absolutely believe that the Invasion story would have been 10000000 times better if they had a guy like that at the helm of writing it Yep. I wasn't being facetious I genuinely believe it. They make ridiculous tv even within the context of a ridiculous genre.
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Dec 29, 2014 01:08
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OldTennisCourt posted:This is almost the case. As stated before, the AE podcast makes the point that the guy was routinely laughed at and mocked for having actual storyboards and graphs/lists to make full sense of feuds and story-lines. Most people would realize that having a detailed list and point by point setups of major feuds and stories is common sense but of course the WWE fired/he left in 2001. I truly, absolutely believe that the Invasion story would have been 10000000 times better if they had a guy like that at the helm of writing it He didn't leave in 2001. He was in the company for another 2 years after Steph took over. The Attitude Era podcast is mostly clueless. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Dec 29, 2014 01:08
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MassRafTer posted:He didn't leave in 2001. He was in the company for another 2 years after Stephen took over. The Attitude Era podcast is mostly clueless. That's why I love them
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Dec 29, 2014 01:15
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Timby posted:He also died at 43. gently caress cancer. What's the guys name? e. Just saw it posted. My bad.
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Dec 29, 2014 01:20
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MassRafTer posted:He didn't leave in 2001. He was in the company for another 2 years after Stephen took over. The Attitude Era podcast is mostly clueless. I think Stephanie's sex change was the most shocking part of that era. Kreski was a great head writer and you have to admit that it went downhill quickly from the moment Stephanie took over. A lot of that has to do with Vince happily pissing money down the drain for the sake of stroking his ego with the invasion but it doesn't help that Stephanie can't seem to differentiate between Vince's good and bad qualities. She is the one who would tell the writers to not bother writing for anyone but the main eventers after all.
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Dec 29, 2014 01:24
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I feel like people keep harping on the Kreski thing even though it happened like 15 years ago, as if things don't change in the industry in that span of time and like they haven't had other writers who give a poo poo since. Vince is and always has been the stopgap for good ideas, and will be until he retires/dies. I understand that it's a glaring example of "they don't care about quality writing" but that length of time is ancient history in the entertainment industry. I mean obviously it sucks that it happened, but the way people keep bringing it up as the prime example of what's wrong with WWE, you'd think it happened a month ago.
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Dec 29, 2014 04:40
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sticklefifer posted:as if things don't change in the industry in that span of time
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Dec 29, 2014 05:05
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sticklefifer posted:Vince is and always has been the stopgap for good ideas, and will be until he retires/dies.
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Dec 29, 2014 05:13
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Anything bringing WWE's process closer to a standard writers room would be an improvement but the leaked scripts do list plot points and goals. They aren't completely hopeless.
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