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whats for dinner posted:I'm really suspicious of the fact that all of a sudden we've got two players who were previously fairly vocal are now going 'I don't care, do what you want' especially after milky doing that last night and flipping town. suspicious of Tith, still not really suss on beet. He'll get to lynch me someday. Someday.
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Aye, and when i turn out to be town the morrow, just loving remember that this is two people now pointing the finger at gaspy.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:32
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and the only way to test either of you now would be to lynch the other one. if they flipped scum, that would throw some serious shade on the first player. but if they flipped town and it turned out they were telling the truth, it would have serious repercussions for the town team. it would have been nice if the princess had a guard who could volunteer to be lynched to guarantee her claim, but conveniently that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:32
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Avshalom posted:and the only way to test either of you now would be to lynch the other one. if they flipped scum, that would throw some serious shade on the first player. but if they flipped town and it turned out they were telling the truth, it would have serious repercussions for the town team. oh my GOD that reasoning. Oh why won't a town power role come forward to get killed? Wow. Just WOW.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:33
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Jesus, loving everyone took the crazy pills this morning, did Milky's corpse get cannibalized to absorb his power or what?
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Feb 12, 2015 02:36
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tithin posted:Aye, and when i turn out to be town the morrow, just loving remember that this is two people now pointing the finger at gaspy. I'll tell you the same thing I told Milky, you flipping town is insufficient to lynch me. and I'll give you the same opportunity I gave milky, if you are town, use this time constructively instead of bellyaching about your poo poo choices.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:36
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isn't the guard's only power protecting the princess? that's hardly a major role. and they would flip "the hon. jane smith, town guard" and there, everybody would know that there was definitely, without a doubt, a princess involved. it would be better to lynch a guard with no repercussions than lynch a princess and give scum two night moves. but there isn't a guard, and quite honestly i believe there isn't a princess either.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:37
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sounds like there isn't a guard anyway, so it probably doesn't matter. Just them claiming to be a guard should have been enough to back up the princess role for now, without having to lynch them to prove it. It would add more to the pile of connected stuff we got going now with the cop's claims.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:39
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Avshalom posted:isn't the guard's only power protecting the princess? that's hardly a major role. and they would flip "the hon. jane smith, town guard" and there, everybody would know that there was definitely, without a doubt, a princess involved. it would be better to lynch a guard with no repercussions than lynch a princess and give scum two night moves. but there isn't a guard, and quite honestly i believe there isn't a princess either. Yeah because everyone's way into believing role claims here. It'd be MAYBE IT WAS A MILLER?? CAN'T RULE OUT ITS STILL GASPY, KEEP LOOKING AT GASPY. And any play that targets town instead of scum is just... dumb. Poor. Why lose a town role instead of focusing on scummy plays?
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Feb 12, 2015 02:39
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i'm on the mafia wiki now and i can't see anything related to there usually being a guard associated with a princess after all. who was it that said that the two usually go together?
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Feb 12, 2015 02:39
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Bifauxnen posted:sounds like there isn't a guard anyway, so it probably doesn't matter. Just them claiming to be a guard should have been enough to back up the princess role for now, without having to lynch them to prove it. It would add more to the pile of connected stuff we got going now with the cop's claims. Avshalom posted:isn't the guard's only power protecting the princess? that's hardly a major role. and they would flip "the hon. jane smith, town guard" and there, everybody would know that there was definitely, without a doubt, a princess involved. it would be better to lynch a guard with no repercussions than lynch a princess and give scum two night moves. but there isn't a guard, and quite honestly i believe there isn't a princess either. You two are in loving cahouts. IF THERE IS A TOWN GUARD, DO. NOT. ROLE. CLAIM.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:39
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loving hell I mean you don't need the guard to say "oh yes lynch me too please!" just their existence would be enough.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:41
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Feb 12, 2015 02:41
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Asphyxious posted:I'll tell you the same thing I told Milky, you flipping town is insufficient to lynch me. Oh gently caress off, I've given damned fine reasons, and your claiming beloved princess is not sufficient to clear you as scum. ~it's just so very convenient for you to be a beloved princess when you're next on the chopping block, only you don't have any guard, and this isn't the sort of game that's conducive to having a princess because of its small scale and potentially hugely damaging nature to town if there was one~
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Feb 12, 2015 02:42
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Avshalom posted:isn't the guard's only power protecting the princess? that's hardly a major role. and they would flip "the hon. jane smith, town guard" and there, everybody would know that there was definitely, without a doubt, a princess involved. it would be better to lynch a guard with no repercussions than lynch a princess and give scum two night moves. but there isn't a guard, and quite honestly i believe there isn't a princess either. Bifauxnen posted:sounds like there isn't a guard anyway, so it probably doesn't matter. Just them claiming to be a guard should have been enough to back up the princess role for now, without having to lynch them to prove it. It would add more to the pile of connected stuff we got going now with the cop's claims. what would be the point in a guard if only lynching triggered the beloved princess' power, anyway? the guard appears to act as a one-shot bodyguard, which is for night actions
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Feb 12, 2015 02:42
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Avshalom posted:i'm on the mafia wiki now and i can't see anything related to there usually being a guard associated with a princess after all. who was it that said that the two usually go together? http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Beloved_Princess posted:
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Feb 12, 2015 02:43
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Avshalom posted:isn't the guard's only power protecting the princess? that's hardly a major role. and they would flip "the hon. jane smith, town guard" and there, everybody would know that there was definitely, without a doubt, a princess involved. it would be better to lynch a guard with no repercussions than lynch a princess and give scum two night moves. but there isn't a guard, and quite honestly i believe there isn't a princess either. If a guard were to reveal themselves and take the hit, we could safely rule out TOML and What's for Dinner and Asphxious. What's for dinner is going to get killed tonight probably. Then we would be down three town. Is it worth it?
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Feb 12, 2015 02:43
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Feb 12, 2015 02:43
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whats for dinner posted:what would be the point in a guard if only lynching triggered the beloved princess' power, anyway? the guard appears to act as a one-shot bodyguard, which is for night actions
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Feb 12, 2015 02:44
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Anidav posted:So it's lunchtime and FS is still not here? he has to check the 'doc first. Lot to read.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:44
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whats for dinner posted:what would be the point in a guard if only lynching triggered the beloved princess' power, anyway? the guard appears to act as a one-shot bodyguard, which is for night actions Is that how it works? I remember skimming one Mafia game where Fruity was a princess but I don't remember if there was a guard too or how it worked.
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Avshalom posted:i was labouring under the impression that a princess usually has a guard; so if there's a guard, then there's probably a princess. however, now that i'm looking at the wiki, it doesn't mention that a princess usually has a guard at all, so whoever it was that said that itt was wrong and i'm throwing poo poo under false pretenses tithin posted:In games designed around them, there is generally some kind of safety net in the game linked to the Beloved role such that if the Beloved player dies, the Town deserves what they get. For instance, in the game in which Beloved Princess initially appeared there was a Guard role that knew who the Princess was and had a limited-shot ability to protect the Princess from kills. In addition, it was known in advance that the Princess and Guard were in the game. This sort of setup can make for an interesting Mafia variant; however, it is susceptible to being wrecked by bad play from the Guard or Princess.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:45
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Avshalom posted:i was labouring under the impression that a princess usually has a guard; so if there's a guard, then there's probably a princess. however, now that i'm looking at the wiki, it doesn't mention that a princess usually has a guard at all, so whoever it was that said that itt was wrong and i'm throwing poo poo under false pretenses Who originally said "a princess has a guard" because there's a lot of supposition based off player based input that I care not for.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:45
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sounds like the guard would also know the princess as confirmed town then. That would have made a LOT of difference in our gameplay up till now if someone had known that.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:46
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Go big or go home.
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I mentioned the wiki said before that there might be a guard but I don't really think there is unless it's FS or something crazy.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:47
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black_tangled posted:I really feel like all the name claiming stuff is scummy ok, It may hold some info, and I like the flavour.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:48
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Anidav posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but the wiki says a princess is usually accompanied by a guard who knows the princess's identity. Yeah it was Anidav, who's spent most of the time in the background playing with name and role claims like big colourful blocks. So it's usually, but not necessarily.
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oh ok, that must be where it came from. so i wasn't wildly misled. so we have a few possibilities here. 1) mills hates town so much he wrote a princess into a small, mostly-vanilla game without any kind of failsafe 2) gaspy is princess and has a guard somewhere who isn't revealing their role yet - which is fair enough, it wouldn't be worth it to them to flip their cards unless gaspy was right on the verge of getting lynched 3) gaspy is not a princess and is chucking an anidav by claiming a destructive role so he stays in the game for longer (unlikely) 4) gaspy is not a princess, but is some other sort of vital role instead, so he's claiming something that neither scum nor town will want to kill in order to cover his arse so he can keep working his magic 5) gaspy is not a princess and is in fact a scum playing us all for laughs
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Feb 12, 2015 02:49
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Kommando posted:ok, It may hold some info, and I like the flavour.
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Feb 12, 2015 02:51
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Avshalom posted:oh ok, that must be where it came from. so i wasn't wildly misled. How dare you claim that I am not a princess! 
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Feb 12, 2015 02:51
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"chucking an Anidav" is now a auspol mafia term 
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Feb 12, 2015 02:53
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Anidav posted:"chucking an Anidav" is now a auspol mafia term You also brought us "Team Silent" though, so it balances out. You're an innovator.
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I'm wheeljack? 
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Anyway, on with the show; Most Suss: - FS - Beet - Kommando - Bif 50/50: - Avs - black_tangled - tithin Least Suss: - Gaspy - TOML - WFD
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OK - you guys have posted so much poo poo this morning that it has taken me most of lunch to catch up Firstly - Gaspy role claimed Tony Abbott day one. I think TOML and I were the only ones who picked up on it. My very first post was playing along with "knowing about women". Ironically this is what triggered Bif to vote for me. From my interactions with Bif - Gaspy thought I was scum. The only satisfaction I get from your accusations Gaspy is that I love knowing that you are wrong when you play so haughtily. Now down to business I am not a cop - so we can trust the cop claim at face value. I believe what's for dinner is confirmed town on this. Also the fact that the scum have a godfather I would also assume that what's for dinner is a sane cop - because what would be the point of a godfather? That also rules out TOML and Gaspy (double sigh) From that I have to take Gaspy's claim at face value and we shouldn't vote Gaspy (even though the quality of the posts would improve) I personally have a poo poo voting record and should really be a top suspect now (not for the lovely reasons given by Gaspy) But if you want my opinion I think Bif or Beet are my most likely contenders. But I am going need time to point out why later - can we not do an early lynch please? My above analysis is also all based on the fact that there isn't a real cop sitting being silent - please don't do this as we will do more damage now to town if you don't reveal
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Freudian Slip posted:I am not a cop - so we can trust the cop claim at face value. I believe what's for dinner is confirmed town on this. Also the fact that the scum have a godfather I would also assume that what's for dinner is a sane cop - because what would be the point of a godfather?
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Freudian Slip posted:
I really don't think there's a risk of an early lynch. Take your time and feel free to keep posting. The more data I have the more I can work with, and if you're town you have literally nothing to fear. The two people voting for you are both seen as suss by many, so who knows! Scum trying to lead the vote away from Tithin? Could be.
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Those On My Left posted:This is actually a good point. 
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