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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:It's really not worth engaging with the cliche goon prejudice against anime, simply because it is the equivalent of trying to converse with people who would write off all scripted American cable TV based on the prevalence of Pawn Stars style 'reality' programming. It's more like if you don't like reality shows because of the obnoxious editing and musical stings, manufactured drama, and constant cutaways to talking heads that are staples of the genre but a small and very vocal group of reality show fans kept swearing that you had to watch this season of Survivor or that episode of Pawn Stars withput considering that it still has all of the things you don't like about the genre in full force.
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Its a category of TV aimed at someone definitely not me. I think its that easy, no need to draw it out.
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Mar 13, 2015 17:13
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Shageletic posted:Its a category of TV aimed at someone definitely not me. I think its that easy, no need to draw it out. That argument doesn't 100% work for me, though, because there's shows that I like the inherent concept of but it's the execution that ultimately fails. The storyline of the three series I mentioned in the last post are: 1: Two immortal women who work as private detectives whose story is told over the course of a couple hundred years 2: Highschoolers fighting off a zombie crisis 3: Warriors from across a country fighting to be crowned queen Those are all concepts that should be really fascinating shows that offer insights, but are ultimately held back by what their audience wants (or demands) from the genre, and the creators are more than happy to give it to them. Again, Rin has a ton of potential (the female characters are from what I recall are pretty well written) but then again one's an eternal fourteen year old (ahyup) and the series' overall plot boils down to "powerful, smart women's ultimate purpose is being used for sex". asecondduck fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Mar 13, 2015 17:28
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Haha the OP of the SU thread closed it because he's sick of goon bullshit.
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Mar 13, 2015 17:33
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Queens Blade is unabashed porn and it's completely glorious
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Mar 13, 2015 17:49
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I'm not gonna watch Steven Universe and I stopped watching Gravity Falls, but could someone put the twists or whatever that got people excited in spoilerbox, or link me to a synopsis?
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Mar 13, 2015 18:08
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lelandjs posted:That argument doesn't 100% work for me, though, because there's shows that I like the inherent concept of but it's the execution that ultimately fails. The storyline of the three series I mentioned in the last post are: I get that's your jam, but it isn't mine. There's only so much time I've got, and so much good tv to get through, so I don't think I'm being crazy by freeing up my time by avoiding products aimed at children and foreign media aimed at man-children. I'm man child myself, so I'm trying to not be judgemental here. I liked that Tartovsky robot show though. Noir was good, Rahxephon too, back in college. EDIT: Sorry I guess I should have responded to the guy you were talking to, not you. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Mar 13, 2015 18:08
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Sleeveless posted:It's more like if you don't like reality shows because of the obnoxious editing and musical stings, manufactured drama, and constant cutaways to talking heads that are staples of the genre but a small and very vocal group of reality show fans kept swearing that you had to watch this season of Survivor or that episode of Pawn Stars withput considering that it still has all of the things you don't like about the genre in full force. This is the best way I've heard it described yet, and how I'll explain it in the future.
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Fooz posted:I'm not gonna watch Steven Universe and I stopped watching Gravity Falls, but could someone put the twists or whatever that got people excited in spoilerbox, or link me to a synopsis? SU had its first season finale last night which ended with one of the main characters revealed to be a "fusion" of two girls who are in a relationship together (so it pleases the tumblr crowd), who then sing about their partnership during the rad climactic fight/escape scene, and also the character is voiced by R&B singer Estelle so it sounded amazing.
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Mar 13, 2015 18:35
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Lesbians are all the rage in cartoons, I guess.
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Mar 13, 2015 18:37
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The song really is pretty great. (massive steven universe spoilers, natch.) "I am their fury, I am their patience, I am a conversation..."
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Mar 13, 2015 18:52
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Sleeveless posted:It's more like if you don't like reality shows because of the obnoxious editing and musical stings, manufactured drama, and constant cutaways to talking heads that are staples of the genre but a small and very vocal group of reality show fans kept swearing that you had to watch this season of Survivor or that episode of Pawn Stars withput considering that it still has all of the things you don't like about the genre in full force. actually, its more like if u don't like reality shows because of the cheesy editing and musical stings and manufactured drama by the cast and the interviews they give. then when people recommend u documentaries like grizzly man, or the act of killing, or dear zachary, or documentary shows like vice, u are like, nah that shits all retarded. i can tell, because it looks kind of like the other retarded poo poo I've seen before. 
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Mar 13, 2015 19:06
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It also had the main character finally learn that when the Gems first came to Earth their goal was to conquer it but his mother and the rest of the Crystal Gems rebelled and kicked the invading force off the planet.
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Mar 13, 2015 19:07
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Mar 13, 2015 19:09
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lelandjs posted:Not gonna lie, I was kinda baiting in the hopes that people would recommend anime that has well written female characters. Seems to be working pretty well so far! Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood(for the love of god do not go seeking out original FMA) has some of the best female characters in the medium. Prob because it's written by a woman.
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Mar 13, 2015 20:22
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Kill la Kill had some good feeeemale characters. And definitely no fanservice 
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Mar 13, 2015 20:41
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"well written female characters" is a weird thing to define. Women acting 100% strong and capable isn't very true to life, and women acting like men isn't very true to life, but a lot of times that' the result of shows trying to shoehorn in "well written female characters". Women act like women, and I think you need capable writers to pull it off. Lots of prestige dramas get this right. I think Togetherness, while sort of dull, has very accurate portrayals of gender. Maybe it's harder to pull off in action or fantasy, as women in high risk/high stress scenarios is not something most people have direct experience with, unless you're in the army maybe.
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Mar 13, 2015 21:10
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The obvious answer would be to watch shows made for women instead of Japanese jerk off cartoons, but what do I know?
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Mar 13, 2015 21:18
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Fooz posted:I think Togetherness, while sort of dull, has very accurate portrayals of gender. Ah yes, a.k.a. the show where Amanda Peet plays the MPDG to Steve Zissis's goony egomaniac, who has no redeeming qualities yet is somehow the man of her dreams. Such accuracy. That half of the show is just a complete male wish fulfillment fantasy.
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Mar 13, 2015 21:28
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Maybe if they take that direction it would be, but hasn't she just been rebuffing him and is angry with him for wrecking their friendship as he flounders about not knowing how to deal with his feelings? They've shown his redeeming qualities anyways, he's dependable, a good friend, and pretty motivated under the right circumstances.
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Mar 13, 2015 21:31
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Irish Joe posted:The obvious answer would be to watch shows made for women instead of Japanese jerk off cartoons, but what do I know? You're telling me that Urotosokidojo isn't made for women?!
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Mar 13, 2015 21:36
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Shut up about anime or go to the forum for that.
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Mar 13, 2015 21:42
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less laughter posted:Ah yes, a.k.a. the show where Amanda Peet plays the MPDG to Steve Zissis's goony egomaniac, who has no redeeming qualities yet is somehow the man of her dreams. Such accuracy. You haven't watched very much Togetherness have you
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Mar 13, 2015 21:43
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Bown posted:You haven't watched very much Togetherness have you I've watched all of it.
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Mar 13, 2015 21:45
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Well then you weren't paying a ton of attention? I finished it a couple of days ago and there's very, very little of that. I was expecting a lot more but it was kinda refreshing in that she didn't really fall for him or anything.
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Mar 13, 2015 21:48
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Zaggitz posted:Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood(for the love of god do not go seeking out original FMA) Why not? I mean Brotherhood is a lot better and I never finished watching the original, but aside from the goofy anime poo poo that was completely out of tone for the show, why would you say to actively avoid it? (This is all I have to ask since I just saw Deadpool's post after posting this reply.)
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Mar 13, 2015 21:51
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Bown posted:Well then you weren't paying a ton of attention? I finished it a couple of days ago and there's very, very little of that. I was expecting a lot more but it was kinda refreshing in that she didn't really fall for him or anything. It's more like you were the one who wasn't paying any attention then, maybe you should watch it again. On the whole everything involving their fledgling romance, and the Alex character in general, was really pretty embarrassing writing and casting.
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Mar 13, 2015 22:03
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Irish Joe posted:The obvious answer would be to watch shows made for women instead of Japanese jerk off cartoons, but what do I know? Agreeing with Joe here.
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Fooz posted:"well written female characters" is a weird thing to define. Women acting 100% strong and capable isn't very true to life, and women acting like men isn't very true to life, but a lot of times that' the result of shows trying to shoehorn in "well written female characters". Women act like women, and I think you need capable writers to pull it off. You're absolutely correct.
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Mar 13, 2015 22:29
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Or...you just need writers who understand that women are human beings. It shouldn't take any special talent to do that.
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Mar 13, 2015 22:33
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Rabbit Hill posted:Or...you just need writers who understand that women are human beings. It shouldn't take any special talent to do that. You'd think that, but popular shows and movies still gently caress it up all the time.
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Rabbit Hill posted:Or...you just need writers who understand that women are human beings. It shouldn't take any special talent to do that. What I mean is that men and women are different. They have different types of personalities in general, and I would consider it a special talent to be able to effectively capture that difference without getting it wrong, or going overboard, or understating it. You can get away with treating everyone the same, I guess. GRR Martin has the quote like yours, where he says he treats women like people and that's how he's able to write female characters, but it ends up being that everyone in that show acts in the same semi-masculine way, and there's a lot missing from that world that exists in the rich mix of male and female voices in the real world.
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zoux posted:Haha the OP of the SU thread closed it because he's sick of goon bullshit. Wow, I thought the Korra thread was terrible this is some next level poo poo. drrockso20 posted:cause the talk about Lapis, Peridot, and Jasper being people who are what the main three would be without Steven/Rose made me think about that idea, and how one could explore what they'd be like with someone like Rose/Steven to bring love into their lives(also I find the double standard everyone has against Fan Fiction, when no one ever bats an eye at Fan Art to be hilarious and hypocritically petty coming from nerds like us) drrockso20 posted:is that an actual rule, or is that just an example of most goons being oddly bitter about it(cause personally I unironically love fan fiction, even if 99% of it is garbage, and if I had more confidence in my writing skills I'd actually write some myself, and I find no shame in admitting it) drrockso20 posted:wow you're a jerk, and that's ignoring whether or not you're right or have a point, you're just being a complete snobby dick about it for no good reason(seriously we're in a thread for a cartoon, quit being so serious)  DON'T PERSECUTE ME OR MY FANFIC IDEAS
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The better the show the worse the thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt2znyyXt3g So if we had a POWERS thread it would be the best thread then?
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Cardboard Box A posted:The better the show the worse the thread. It's more like the more popular a show is with the true goon types, the worse it gets. Hence there's an anime ghetto
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Mar 14, 2015 02:58
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Also this is the worst thread usually.
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Mar 14, 2015 03:07
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Cardboard Box A posted:The better the show the worse the thread. Yes http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3706214 Already there
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raditts posted:(This is all I have to ask since I just saw Deadpool's post after posting this reply.) You've been here longer than me, you should know the rules. Aphrodite posted:Also this is the worst thread usually.  The entire Everybody Hates Christ is on Hulu for free apparently. So if you like Terry Crews, go rewatch it! Every single episode of I Love Lucy is on Hulu for free as well.
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Mar 14, 2015 03:55
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I'd watch a show called Everybody Hates Christ.
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Aphrodite posted:Also this is the worst thread usually. No, not even close. There's all of the cartoon threads, then stuff like Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. And that's just the really terrible ones.
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