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Bass Bottles posted:Sarcasm doesn't really count as saying things you don't believe in because your actual beliefs are still implicitly being stated. I can't see John Oliver ever making a joke that implies the militarization of police is a good thing. This is part of the outrage at Noah that I find most perplexing: it almost seems premised on the assumption that there's no way to know what his actual views are, or what his comedy as the Daily Show host will be like. But there is - he's done a lot of standup between 2011 and today. It's not hard to find, and it makes it pretty clear that his comedy isn't going to be like those several-years-old tweets.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:34
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I have always wondered if international comedians get this much scrutiny. Before he was announced as Stewart's replacement no-one gave a gently caress about Noah's 5 year old tweets, even when he was announced as a correspondent. Is there some group in England who gets angry every time an English comedian tells a fat joke? Or a sexist joke told by a Brazilian comedian? What about a racist joke by a Norwegian?
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Apr 2, 2015 19:49
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What does the thread think about the time Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear looked at a bridge with an asian guy crossing it and said "That is a proud moment, but there's a slope on it"?
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Apr 2, 2015 20:37
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Its funny. Good word play for an off-the-cuff joke.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:05
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Dolash posted:What does the thread think about the time Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear looked at a bridge with an asian guy crossing it and said "That is a proud moment, but there's a slope on it"? I think I'm not crying many tears over the guy getting sacked, because he's a tool. Madkal posted:Is there some group in England who gets angry every time an English comedian tells a fat joke? As evidenced by how much poo poo the BBC caught over [any_Frankie_Boyle_joke.txt] when he was a regular on Mock The Week, yeah. Edit: Dara O'Briain on this sort of thing. Cabbit fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 21:10
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Majorian posted:This is part of the outrage at Noah that I find most perplexing: it almost seems premised on the assumption that there's no way to know what his actual views are, or what his comedy as the Daily Show host will be like. But there is - he's done a lot of standup between 2011 and today. It's not hard to find, and it makes it pretty clear that his comedy isn't going to be like those several-years-old tweets. Sorry, I actually agree with you that it's unfair to hold those old tweets against him. But they aren't just "jokes that didn't land" or whatever some people are saying. If he were still making jokes like that I would be unhappy about him being the new host of TDS. But you're right, they're old, he has clearly evolved as a comedian and a person, and he has a very powerful background that should give him a unique and fresh viewpoint into American politics. I think he's an exciting choice.
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Apr 2, 2015 22:08
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For context on the audience for which those tweets were intended, the NYTimes has a good article on the comedy scene in South Africa and the prevailing views of offensiveness here: link. David Kau hosts a popular stand up show called "Blacks Only", which he starts off like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlDmJ89IZuo (No better video unfortunately.) Madkal posted:I have always wondered if international comedians get this much scrutiny. Before he was announced as Stewart's replacement no-one gave a gently caress about Noah's 5 year old tweets, even when he was announced as a correspondent. Is there some group in England who gets angry every time an English comedian tells a fat joke? Or a sexist joke told by a Brazilian comedian? What about a racist joke by a Norwegian?
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Apr 2, 2015 23:07
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Neeksy posted:Patton has legions of fans, lots of money, and essentially a megaphone for their responses. These tumblr types have tumblr blogs. If these comedians are so concerned about free speech, why is "shutting up" these critics so important? Because while he does, random comedian trying to make it loving doesn't you stooge.
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Apr 3, 2015 20:53
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I promise this will not be an INTERNET ATHEIST post. These posts of Trevor's have received little or no press attention. I also think it's notable that they aren't jokes.   I'm an atheist but I'm also used to these kinds of statements being totally OK in our society. Fine. What troubles me as a fan of TDS and TCR is how mind-bogglingly dumb these are. If I'd given you these blind and said a celebrity said them, you'd probably guess Larry the Cable Guy or some idiot country western singer. This is the kind of stuff you see fundamentalist Christians put on bumper stickers. Holy poo poo.
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Apr 3, 2015 21:40
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Madkal posted:I have always wondered if international comedians get this much scrutiny. Before he was announced as Stewart's replacement no-one gave a gently caress about Noah's 5 year old tweets, even when he was announced as a correspondent. Is there some group in England who gets angry every time an English comedian tells a fat joke? Or a sexist joke told by a Brazilian comedian? What about a racist joke by a Norwegian? Before he was announced as Stewart's replacement, nobody gave a gently caress about him.
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Apr 3, 2015 22:00
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Can't wait until 10-20 years from now when we have to disband the executive branch because they can't find anyone who hasn't posted dumb poo poo on the internet at some point or another.
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Apr 3, 2015 22:03
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For the record (as if anyone cares), I don't think he should lose his job over any of this stuff. It's worrying to me because of what it might bode for the quality of the show.
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Apr 3, 2015 22:09
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Those jokes are at least as old as the jew and fat chick jokes, so I imagine they can be answered with the same "he's since evolved" argument as those.
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Apr 3, 2015 22:14
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I promise this will not be an INTERNET ATHEIST post. These posts of Trevor's have received little or no press attention. I also think it's notable that they aren't jokes. Yep, a scripted comedy show with a team of writers is going to fall off a cliff because the host is religious.
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Apr 3, 2015 22:20
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I promise this will not be an INTERNET ATHEIST post. These posts of Trevor's have received little or no press attention. I also think it's notable that they aren't jokes. Is this a bit?
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Apr 3, 2015 22:20
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People are asking "who are these people who are offended?" as if it's some sort of abstract question. Buzzfeed's business editor made this an issue, and I guarantee you it's not a matter of him "being offended". Having "a conversation" about this issue without acknowledging that feels like you're playing someone else's game. On the plus side, if some mildly dumb tweets is the best takedown people can come up with regarding Noah after all this scrutiny; I'm not worried about Noah's comedic viewpoint.
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Apr 3, 2015 22:25
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I think the weirdest thing is that people act like Noah is an unknown and all we have to look at is these four year old tweets. Go watch his stand up special African American. Its a drat fine way to spend an hour.
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Apr 3, 2015 22:28
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JohnSherman posted:Yep, a scripted comedy show with a team of writers is going to fall off a cliff because the host is religious. That's not what I said. It has nothing to do with him being religious; Colbert teaches Sunday school for Christ's sake. If I got pissy about every media figure who was religious, I'd not have much to watch or hear. The issue is that his opinions are/were so loving dumb. I welcome intelligent opposing opinions. Stewart said poo poo I disagreed with regularly, but there was usually evidence that he had put thought into his opinion. The stuff in those tweets is sub-O'Reilly level. Unbelievable. VVVVVVVVVVV Mr. Funny Pants fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Apr 3, 2015 |
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Apr 3, 2015 22:51
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Please stop breaking the promise you made.
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Apr 3, 2015 22:52
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I promise this will not be an INTERNET ATHEIST post. These posts of Trevor's have received little or no press attention. I also think it's notable that they aren't jokes. You are aware that Colbert is a devoutly religious catholic right? Like he teaches sunday school and poo poo. I don't recall that ever coloring the show at all. Yeah the tweets are profoundly dumb, but it's loving twitter, being dumb is basically all it does.
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Apr 3, 2015 23:19
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As someone who fervently believes in nothing, I am deeply offended.
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Apr 4, 2015 00:20
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IRQ posted:You are aware that Colbert is a devoutly religious catholic right? Like he teaches sunday school and poo poo. I don't recall that ever coloring the show at all. Yeah the tweets are profoundly dumb, but it's loving twitter, being dumb is basically all it does. Read my post again, and those that followed.
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Apr 4, 2015 00:23
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That seems like a misreading of his jokes' intent. He's saying that the militant-atheist types behave in ways similar to the religious types they criticize. "we all need a god" is not "we all need the christian god"; he's saying that they have just substituted it with these atheist luminaries.
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Apr 4, 2015 01:19
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Four years is long enough he could be an atheist himself now. Calm your tits. His "without god there would be no atheists" is pretty bad, on the level of "how me a dog learn English," but the religious haven't understanded atheism for THOUSANDS of years.
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Apr 4, 2015 01:20
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:His "without god there would be no atheists" is pretty bad, on the level of "how me a dog learn English," This! I don't give a crap that he's religious!
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Apr 4, 2015 02:03
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And I suppose it's totally impossible that he meant "God created athiests" which considering he's Christian is something that he earnestly believed? Surely not. Instead we have to get indignant over things that happened on the internet four years ago.
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Apr 4, 2015 02:11
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It's kind of ironic that the guy is taking over a show that often digs up poo poo from four years ago to throw in people's faces, then.
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Apr 4, 2015 02:21
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Cabbit posted:It's kind of ironic that the guy is taking over a show that often digs up poo poo from four years ago to throw in people's faces, then. I think the major difference is that the show isn't widely credited with being the government of a major country.
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Apr 4, 2015 02:22
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I read it as more of a philosophical statement - without the concept of God there would be no atheism, any more than people flock around the absence of a second sun or whatever. But either way, it's not exactly worth boycotting the show over.
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Apr 4, 2015 02:27
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Strobe posted:And I suppose it's totally impossible that he meant "God created athiests" which considering he's Christian is something that he earnestly believed? It's very funny next to his musings on Satan, when as an atheist, if you've realized the bible is fiction and heaven is mythical, Satan and hell just naturally follow suit. No mental activity or considering needed. in_cahoots posted:I read it as more of a philosophical statement - without the concept of God there would be no atheism, any more than people flock around the absence of a second sun or whatever. But either way, it's not exactly worth boycotting the show over. That is an interesting read, but doesn't really add depth to his comment. Without (a tyrannical religious structure sculpting societies for ages) there is no (lame attempt to counter religious claims, "militant atheism" indeed)
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Apr 4, 2015 02:27
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I'm most concerned that he feels atheists aren't doing enough to show they don't believe in Satan. We aren't living in a Zoroastrian country where the existence of Angra Mainyu isn't intrinsically linked to the existence of Ahura Mazda. If there's no god, then it pretty clearly follows there's no Satan. It's really a very weak argument from both a theological as well as a simple logic standpoint.
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Apr 4, 2015 02:31
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I feel like he was just making a dumb joke with that one.
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Apr 4, 2015 02:41
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Bass Bottles posted:I feel like he was just making a dumb joke with that one. I feel like he was only making dumb jokes the entire time and this entire conversation (nationally, not here) is pointless. But any chance to preach the word of no lord!
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Apr 4, 2015 02:47
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I'm honestly more worried we'll get another Larry Wilmore situation and Noah ends up having no real depth to his satire and it ends up just being surface-level jokes the whole time. I think John Oliver raised the bar, and even Stewart has been getting sharper and deeper with his jabs lately.
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Apr 4, 2015 02:49
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Neeksy posted:I'm honestly more worried we'll get another Larry Wilmore situation and Noah ends up having no real depth to his satire and it ends up just being surface-level jokes the whole time. I think John Oliver raised the bar, and even Stewart has been getting sharper and deeper with his jabs lately. If you've seen any of his comedy you know that's not going to be the case.
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Apr 4, 2015 03:11
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someone posted:Hey look, a video of Trevor hosting something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJSlk5WtiBg Also everyone should be listening to the Daily Show Podcast. I've only listened to the most recent few but they're great, especially the new Jason Jones one.
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Apr 4, 2015 03:23
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I can't wait for the show to start again. Eventually everyone is going to forget this whole thing ever happened.Majorian posted:Given Salon's bizarre grudge against him, can you blame him for this?
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Apr 4, 2015 05:00
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I could take any five minute clip of African American and it'd have more satirical weight than anything Wilmore has done with the nightly show. Not going to lie, I do miss Colbert's ability to nail Catholics to the cross (sorry) while at the same time also taking the piss out of douchey atheists.
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Apr 4, 2015 09:25
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Narcissus1916 posted:I could take any five minute clip of African American and it'd have more satirical weight than anything Wilmore has done with the nightly show. Before the show aired, I thought Larry was a pretty good choice, based on his appearances on TDS. At least Noah has the structure of TDS and a good team of writers already in place so there are less chances of him sucking like Larry on The Nightly Show. Also, atheists being pissed off by those tweets makes me like him more, one of the reasons I'm not religious is to avoid being pissed off by silly stuff like that.
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radlum posted:Before the show aired, I thought Larry was a pretty good choice, based on his appearance You could have just stopped there.
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