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Tomn posted:If I'm being entirely honest Ish probably could have stood to say SOMETHING more than he did on that. But on the other hand, I don't feel that our trying to do what we did was so inevitable that he should have foreseen that possibility, either.
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Tomn posted:
He probably didn't even need to tell us anything secret, just that overdoing it with not breathing might kill us. Ish probably didn't think anyone would be stupid enough not to realize that they need to breathe, but, having known us for as long as he did, he should have known better. Polarization of debate these days is small potatoes compared to when team Ashera went bonkers over being taken away by Tudiya and started a hate cult that even seemed to get under Diog's skin (and he seems to have the patience of a saint otherwise). When that happens, I can't help but go  .
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ElrondHubbard posted:when team Ashera went bonkers over being taken away by Tudiya and started a hate cult Sometimes I can't help but look back at all the ridiculous things that have happened in this game over the last couple years and laugh. People were yelling COLONIALISM and ETHNOCENTRISM at the guys just trying to rescue us from the Eternal Hunger monster.
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ElrondHubbard posted:He probably didn't even need to tell us anything secret, just that overdoing it with not breathing might kill us. Ish probably didn't think anyone would be stupid enough not to realize that they need to breathe, but, having known us for as long as he did, he should have known better. But...he told us we don't need to breathe?
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Hot Dog Day 80 posted:But...he told us we don't need to breathe? He followed us around for days repeating that. Breathgate is still pretty dumb. If we'd listened to Asahel we might have a kickass Melachim bro still. 
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Jul 16, 2015 03:02
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Danceghazi shouldn't be considered a bad decision because it reinforced Enkidels love of sandwiches. It's character development.
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Jul 16, 2015 03:24
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Enkidel's love of sandwiches really resonates with me.
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Schwza posted:Danceghazi shouldn't be considered a bad decision because it reinforced Enkidels love of sandwiches. It's character development. I don't get any of the dance hate anyways. Dancing isn't what got us shot, and the whole experience DID get us some clues, even if we don't know how to place them yet.
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The first vote to dance was..Sily, yeah. Continuing to dance when it became clear that these guys were coming with obvious heavy weapons WAS stupid. That's what what got us in a situation where our only options were "get captured" or "get shot, then captured." We had plenty of time to get lost, and that's what we spent it on.
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I think that's still hindsight talking. Meta-wise, I don't think we knew they were guns until they gave us the demonstration. Even if we had known about the cannons, at close range with as heavy as they are, they wouldn't have been much of a threat. Honestly, if they HADN'T been packing heat, and they just had actual spears, we could have probably taken out the whole lot of them with minimal injury to ourselves. And approaching us armed wasn't THAT big a warning sign. We were an unknown and acting odd. We could have been luring them into an ambush for all they knew. And what if they had managed to speak our language? Or do some sort of language mind meld? Just because things went bad doesn't mean they couldn't have gone well for us. Diog has proven countless times that anything can happen. Had the capybaras rolled differently on the dice, we might have ended up learning gunsmithing and become King of the lizard people thanks to our Mighty Dance.
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the_steve posted:I think that's still hindsight talking. But the choice was made, even after the demonstration, to continue dancing. Sure, things could have gone better with Enkidel being shot by dozens of magic-spears considering we've survived a nuke-snake... but Diog has also directly stated multiple times that Enkidel is not particularly resistant to physical damage compared to Blooded men even half his age.
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I thought we immediately tried to run after the demonstration? Wasn't it Dance, Dance some More, Keep on Dancing, then they show up, pantomime that they want us to surrender, pretend to shoot their Snakidel guy to warn us, then we ran and got shot? And what I meant was that us getting shot may not even have happened had the capybaras rolled differently. Yeah, we got shot and taken prisoner, but there was just as much possibility at the time that things would have gone awesome instead, with blackjack and hookers and no bullet wounds.
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the_steve posted:I thought we immediately tried to run after the demonstration? I dunno 7-bird seemed like he would have been a dick even if we surrendered peacefully or managed to make contact in some other way. Like, at least Amok was chill and didn't go all "I'M GOING TO BURN YOUR BRAIN DOWN WHILE I DO A MIND READ. ABOMINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATION" on us. We didn't even kill any of his blizards, its the equivalent of someone dancing on the street in front of your house and you taking out your shotgun to deal with the "problem" Edit: Not that I think dancing was the issue, I think anything that lead up to us meeting 7-bird ended up with Enkindel getting a bad deal. Dancing was kind of funny in its own way.
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SerSpook posted:I love you too Tsyni Remember the Mike Gallego era? It seems so long ago now...
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the_steve posted:I think that's still hindsight talking. Hindsight? This is what I was voting when they came rolling down the path with long-pots-painted-like-dragons, while everyone else was voting DANCE S'MORE. UppaTree posted:They're not guns or cannons, but they are Exalted-style Firewands and Greek Fire launchers. Yes, I also hatched the acheme that got us shot, but only because it seemed the only decent shot at not being captured. It even worked. just not well enough - there's a long-pot-wagon left back there, and one terrified ox.
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Tsyni posted:Remember the Mike Gallego era? It seems so long ago now... Speaking of things gone by, whatever happened to Lanky Coconut Tree? Really just peace out forever after disagreements over the wing amputation? Or does the angry tree still show up in IRC or something?
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the_steve posted:I thought we immediately tried to run after the demonstration? I think you're right. Clearly our mistake was that we stopped dancing.
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Theglavwen posted:Speaking of things gone by, whatever happened to Lanky Coconut Tree? Really just peace out forever after disagreements over the wing amputation? Or does the angry tree still show up in IRC or something? Wasn't he the terrible poster who made really hilariously bad rape analogies and then got pissy when people called him on it?
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Lanky was possibly the only person who could out-rage me when it came to being pissed off at Ishamal.
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bonus hole boy posted:Wasn't he the terrible poster who made really hilariously bad rape analogies and then got pissy when people called him on it? I think he may have had significant anger issues. It may have been him who left IRC on several occasions after getting way over-the-top furious during a discussion.
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Theglavwen posted:Speaking of things gone by, whatever happened to Lanky Coconut Tree? Really just peace out forever after disagreements over the wing amputation? Or does the angry tree still show up in IRC or something? I think during the wing arguments, Diog specifically said "No more rape analogies, this means you, LCT, any more will see you unofficially banned from the thread and your votes not counted." LCT's response was, well, not meek acceptance. Which is a shame - I rather liked LCT, at least when the red rage wasn't upon him (and sometimes even then). He's still around, though - pops up now and again in Lowell's 40K thread.
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Tomn posted:I think during the wing arguments, Diog specifically said "No more rape analogies, this means you, LCT, any more will see you unofficially banned from the thread and your votes not counted." LCT's response was, well, not meek acceptance. Which is a shame - I rather liked LCT, at least when the red rage wasn't upon him (and sometimes even then). I have like 4k posts to catch up on there. 
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Cannon_Fodder posted:I have like 4k posts to catch up on there. It's as complex.
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There Bias Two posted:Sometimes I can't help but look back at all the ridiculous things that have happened in this game over the last couple years and laugh. People were yelling COLONIALISM and ETHNOCENTRISM at the guys just trying to rescue us from the Eternal Hunger monster. Woah, woah, woah. If we'd stayed in Athar, we would have been the High Priest. We would have Empowered ourselves with Blood magic, and crushed Tanaach and Zepath personally.
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There Bias Two posted:Sometimes I can't help but look back at all the ridiculous things that have happened in this game over the last couple years I read this and then had to go back to the first post to confirm and goddamn does time fly. It seems like only a short time ago we were doing Madgod. Where has my life gone?? (Btw, I've said it before, but great job Diog, keep up the fantastic work)
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I don't know if Not Votes were ever officially banned, but man, it was the worst back then. Especially when they were used to successfully change a vote, then a huge argument would erupt over them, often from people who used them in the past for the same effect.
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Speleothing posted:Woah, woah, woah. If we'd stayed in Athar, we would have been the High Priest. We would have Empowered ourselves with Blood magic, and crushed Tanaach and Zepath personally. More importantly we would have stayed true to our black heritage. I am so dissappointed that Enkidel became an Uncle Tom.
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Kinetica posted:Speaking of, does anyone have a link to Madgod? I can't find it for the life of me. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3529830
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Raserys posted:I don't know if Not Votes were ever officially banned, but man, it was the worst back then. Especially when they were used to successfully change a vote, then a huge argument would erupt over them, often from people who used them in the past for the same effect. They were. Don't ask me to find specifically where, but they were., and it was a good move. Not only because they could swing the vote all over the place. but because way too many people pissed their votes away not-voting things that were never gonna happen. Rather than voting for what they WOULD like to do, they'd downvote Asherah Options well into the negatives.
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the_steve posted:I don't get any of the dance hate anyways. Dancing isn't what got us shot, and the whole experience DID get us some clues, even if we don't know how to place them yet. The dancing was the most evocative and fun name for that particular line of decisions, but it wasn't the dumbest choice. The dumbest choice was to engage in heretical diplomacy with monsters when we've been told, for our entire lives, that everything out there wants to kill us and monsters are to be killed, not trusted. To do so without our weapons or shield at the ready, instead disarming like idiots. To forget that every culture in the entire world is militaristic and suspicious. And to not even have the foresight to have our Balls to back us up as we tread into what we were told was extremely dangerous territory. Speleothing posted:Woah, woah, woah. If we'd stayed in Athar, we would have been the High Priest. We would have Empowered ourselves with Blood magic, and crushed Tanaach and Zepath personally. Would have been fun to ride on top of the Doom of Tanaach. We probably would have gotten stomped by Tudiya and his Melachim hacks though. Luckily we could just be a zombie high priest from then on. ElrondHubbard fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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ElrondHubbard posted:The dancing was the most evocative and fun name for that particular line of decisions, but it wasn't the dumbest choice. The dumbest choice was to engage in heretical diplomacy with monsters when we've been told, for our entire lives, that everything out there wants to kill us and monsters are to be killed, not trusted. Eh, gonna hafta disagree on this point. Our culture may be wise in some ways, but it is also obviously and embarrassingly full of poo poo in others. Case in point, Uriah was totally in keeping with cultural values for wanting to stab Amok. which would have gotten us all pasted. The diplomatic approach we took with him was deeply and obviously heretical. The only reason our Balls didn't jump him outright was because they couldn't understand his claims of divinity. Still dumb, just not for that reason.
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Tsyni posted:I miss LCT. Me too. Now UppaTree is the angriest tree. And frankly, that's just not the same. 
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ElrondHubbard posted:The dumbest choice was to engage in heretical diplomacy with monsters when we've been told, for our entire lives, that everything out there wants to kill us and monsters are to be killed, not trusted. But they didn't kill us or even try to kill us. At worst they acted like modern police.
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Yeah, absent their rear end in a top hat god the lizardfolk (or their women, at least) seem like people we might have gotten along with, to a degree. Hypothetically. Wouldn't have been all sunshine and rainbows and puppy dogs, to be sure, but there might have been the beginnings of cross-cultural contact, albeit one that probably consisted more of "We're both capable of killing a lot of each other if we wanted, so let's not, how 'bout that" than anything else. A tenuous link to build diplomacy on, but one that goes a hell of a lot further than we've ever gone with other non-human intelligences. Re: Dancing, I don't think there was anything wrong with the first vote to dance, and who knows, maybe it was what led them to try and think we could have been taken alive instead of fought to the death. The second vote to dance was definitely sub-optimal, but it wasn't quite so bone-headed in and of itself. No, the real dumb bit was voting to run away after they demonstrated what they would do if we tried to run away and were in close range of their weapons.
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I'm not really sure what even happened with the Lizard God. Like, the females thought we were funny and were being cool, but Lizard God was a loving prick. So we have no memory of that place anymore? I guess what was the point of it then?
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:I'm not really sure what even happened with the Lizard God. Like, the females thought we were funny and were being cool, but Lizard God was a loving prick. So we have no memory of that place anymore? I guess what was the point of it then? We recall the non-gun related stuff. Including opening the doors. We are to never spread what we found out.
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