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If I had one of the affected models right now, I'd dump the ECU software / calibrations for affected systems such that you could revert any 'mandatory' recall flashes and such. Who cares if they re-flash it if you just flash it back  Maybe a couple of other modules in-case there's some version checking at work.
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movax posted:If I had one of the affected models right now, I'd dump the ECU software / calibrations for affected systems such that you could revert any 'mandatory' recall flashes and such. Who cares if they re-flash it if you just flash it back I'll tell you this much, this is going to make Malone Tuning happy.
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Sep 22, 2015 01:54
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movax posted:If I had one of the affected models right now, I'd dump the ECU software / calibrations for affected systems such that you could revert any 'mandatory' recall flashes and such. Who cares if they re-flash it if you just flash it back
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Sep 22, 2015 01:57
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:That is! The complaint covers the non-AdBlue cars. Do you have a source on this? I'm reading conflicting information. I have a 2015 GSW... 
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Sep 22, 2015 02:47
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They can trade me a '15 GSW for my '14 JSW. It's not like they're going to be selling them to any new customers.
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Sep 22, 2015 02:49
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Withnail posted:Do you have a source on this? I'm reading conflicting information. You are in the clear, but the EPA is refusing to certify any NEW TDIs DEF or not until this is cleared.
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Sep 22, 2015 02:56
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CommieGIR posted:You are in the clear, but the EPA is refusing to certify any NEW TDIs DEF or not until this is cleared. Related: http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/in_use_compliance_letter.htm They increase dose under testing conditions but with time it dials it back and then it is no longer passing emissions. Even their urea-equipped cars were cheating. gently caress you VW.
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Sep 22, 2015 03:01
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Related: http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/in_use_compliance_letter.htm Would this affect anything besides urea refill intervals?
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Sep 22, 2015 03:05
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movax posted:If I had one of the affected models right now, I'd dump the ECU software / calibrations for affected systems such that you could revert any 'mandatory' recall flashes and such. Who cares if they re-flash it if you just flash it back Ya i am thinking that if the reflash becomes mandatory just refuse, void your warranty and then go get the dpf and egr deletes and a higher mileage tune.
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Sep 22, 2015 03:34
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CommieGIR posted:I didn't say they were more expensive. I said they are more complex. How though? A modern TDI isn't exactly simple either.
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bizwank posted:You're welcome to my A3 if you have the necessary tools... If you're in or near Seattle, sure. Crack open the module in question, see which MCU it's using and then dump over JTAG or similar and see what code security measures were used, if any. When I was in the industry, we never bothered -- chances of attack were low and it wasn't worth our time in validation to implement measures to prevent it. Maybe if it isn't too late (probably is already) I'll troll CL around here for a dead / junked model that didn't have the relevant modules scavenged already.
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Whoops. Emphasis mine. This is massive. quote:FRANKFURT — Volkswagen said on Tuesday that 11 million diesel cars worldwide were equipped with the same software that was used to cheat on emissions tests in the United States. The company issued a de facto profit warning because of the costs of repairing vehicles to comply with pollution standards. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/business/international/volkswagen-diesel-car-scandal.html
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Sep 22, 2015 12:56
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StandardVC10 posted:Would this affect anything besides urea refill intervals? I don't know a ton about modern diesels but I would imagine that's the only issue. Of course they probably charge an arm and a leg for the refill service since its vw.
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Bovril Delight posted:Whoops. Emphasis mine. This is massive. Yeah, it's just getting bigger and bigger. VW has to be hoping that everyone else is doing this and that this will come out really soon or they're in for a really rough time. Lot's of "BUY VW STOCK AT $X PRICE" going around, but I'd be weary unless some other manufacturers get caught up in this too. e: Winterkorn out, being replaced by Mueller from Porsche That was fast. fknlo fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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If they haven't figured out how to fix it on new vehicles in 7 years, even with SCR on the 2015/16 models, what chance is there that a retrofit is practical or even possible? I have to imagine that if it were possible to get compliant emissions without completely gimping the engine, causing excessive wear/buildup, or completely trashing mileage they would have done so instead of continuing to implement the defeat system. That leads me to wonder if the 2.0 just isn't capible of meeting the emissions standards and remaining drivable. Even if the defeat mechanism only cut egr then you're looking at more carbon buildup and regeneration cycles which can't be good for the turbo, all in exchange for shittier performance and reduced fuel economy.
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Sep 22, 2015 14:15
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dissss posted:How though? A modern TDI isn't exactly simple either. Actually, no, even CRDs are pretty simple. Because you are not having to deal with intense computer control to prevent the fuel from destroying your engine. Direct Injection gas motors are incredibly precise, even more so than diesels.
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fknlo posted:Yeah, it's just getting bigger and bigger. VW has to be hoping that everyone else is doing this and that this will come out really soon or they're in for a really rough time. Lot's of "BUY VW STOCK AT $X PRICE" going around, but I'd be weary unless some other manufacturers get caught up in this too. Had a smoke this morning with our chief engineer (automotive manufacturer). He was laughing his rear end off. These guys hosed up, *very* badly.
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Sep 22, 2015 15:04
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Just a reminder, but Europe and the US have -very- different rules about diesel emissions. http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a4567/4330313/ Also, the chicken tax needs to go away.
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veedubfreak posted:Just a reminder, but Europe and the US have -very- different rules about diesel emissions. engineer mentioned something about Euro-something 1 to 6 for emissions (diesel) Japan always in front (6.1) or something. (They're always ahead with this kind of poo poo) We are 2 (can drive around in a tank) US is 5, and think EU is 5 also. You have the build by that spec, its like a template. We also build EU vehicles, they've got to comply to 5(?), so more cat etc
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Sep 22, 2015 15:25
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So when should I start buying VW stock?
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No. 6 posted:So when should I start buying VW stock? Don't put money in the automotive industry, ever. That's what my department boss said, he made a loving KILLING after 2008 though.
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Sep 22, 2015 15:28
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No. 6 posted:So when should I start buying VW stock? Been wondering that myself too 
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The attorney that writes on Jalaopnik chimed in with advice for people with affected cars. tl;dr: wait and see. http://jalopnik.com/what-should-i-do-if-im-a-volkswagen-tdi-owner-1732101892
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neckbeard posted:Been wondering that myself too Put your house on it.
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bluegoon posted:Don't put money in the automotive industry, ever. That's what my department boss said, he made a loving KILLING after 2008 though. I bought Ford at $2. Doing ok. I´m still trying to find a conherent explanation of the emissions implications of DEF vs non DEF TDIs...
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I'm going to be moving from my '03 1.8 to a '16... 1.8 so I don't give a rip about the diesel stuff unless it gets me a discount. Come burn some gasoline with me!
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You really want to avoid Eurozone companies for the most part right now if you're investing, regardless of whether or not VW is "cheap" (also it's not). This story just keeps getting more and more bizarre, apparently the board has already decided to fire the CEO and he'll be gone shortly.
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movax posted:If you're in or near Seattle, sure. Crack open the module in question, see which MCU it's using and then dump over JTAG or similar and see what code security measures were used, if any. When I was in the industry, we never bothered -- chances of attack were low and it wasn't worth our time in validation to implement measures to prevent it.
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Also someone tried to guesstimate at how many people the excess emissions has killed and came up with with a range of 5-25 deaths for cars driven in Southern California over the past five years: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/09/wtf-volkswgen https://www.motherjones.com/files/vw_nox_deaths.xls Very unscientific and speculative of course.
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Pryor on Fire posted:Also someone tried to guesstimate at how many people the excess emissions has killed and came up with with a range of 5-25 deaths for cars driven in Southern California over the past five years: Not nearly enough if we're talking about Californians.
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It's far less than fast food but we arent declaring war on Big Macs
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Lord of Garbagemen posted:At least the EPA is redirecting all that heat from dumping millions of gallons of arsenic, cadmium, lead and mercury into the Colorado river by hitting at VW. You know I'm really starting to think the EPA might not be the only with a "political agenda"!
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I've got a 2012 Passat TDI, which is not (as of yet) listed as one of the affected vehicles, since it has the AdBlue system. But I see that the 2014-15 Passats are affected; did they remove AdBlue from those model years?
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The defeat code is not limited to DPF vehicles, it effects everything with a EA189 engine in it. One of the two test vehicles that kicked this thing off was a new Passat with an AdBlue system.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:34
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Armchair financial advice: just get some index funds and sit on them. They routinely out preform experts in the long run and, face it, you're no expert.
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go3 posted:It's far less than fast food but we arent declaring war on Big Macs Probably because McDonald's doesn't lie about their nutrition info. Uthor posted:Armchair financial advice: just get some index funds and sit on them. They routinely out preform experts in the long run and, face it, you're no expert. Yea, and in particular you'd have to be really dumb to try and time vw stock right now.
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tsa posted:Probably because McDonald's doesn't lie about their nutrition info. Yeah but in the grand scheme of things, the cars that VW produces are still fine on the environment in contrast to most vehicles on the road today. They must be well above average. McDonalds on the other hand is some of the worst food for you available. So this is actually more like Subway putting a little bit less salt in their sandwiches. At the end of the day, a subway sandwich is less harmful to the body than >50% of other options.
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It's just a pinch of arsenic every day, what's the harm?
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Godholio posted:It's just a pinch of arsenic every day, what's the harm? It's a huge improvement over the shotglass of arsenic represented by the people driving SUV's and trucks. If someone has the energy to be upset about something as globally unimportant as this VW emissions thing they should guide it toward lobbying for industry to limit it's carbon footprint.
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