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Eonwe posted:I can't wait to see the posts when CIG folds and the whales are publicly crying about fraud and 'WE JUST DIDNT KNOW, ALL MY MONEY IS GONE' You won't. You'll see the cult communities slowly die down. The most invested will continue to try and gather content, as it slowly becomes apparent things aren't happening. CIG won't suddenly fold. It'll just whimper away slowly, it'll be released but empty, devoid of much but occasional patches. Christ Roberts would have already stepped down and moved on with the profits in order to rekindle his career as a movie producer, however doing nothing else of notoriety. Sure, when whatever clusterfuck is released comes out and it's proven to be poo poo, there will be news articles/YouTube documentaries/etc. However, the Internet has a short attention span. After a few years, long after Ben dies of a heart attack, Wulf will be moderating a forum dedicated to the 30 people still playing Arena Commander waiting for the next patch that'll include their $1000 ships they preordered with no delivery date. Tucked away in their corner of the Internet until Wulf gets an email- it's from Disco Lando, and he wants to recreate the magic of the Star Citizen universe with a new game called "Star Commander." And they launch a Kickstarter to begin the cycle anew.
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Steve2911 posted:No. That's not what I said at all. Chalks posted:Overheads are pretty high. You've gotta pay for rent on an office, insurance, lease line internet connectivity, computers and other equipment, email servers, software licenses etc etc. Then you've gotta pay the guy's salary on top of that. I've heard it said that the cost of employing someone is about 50% salary 50% other expenses.
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Octopedo posted:Development costs only, marketing costs excluded for fair comparison. 2015 calculated at USD $250 = 1 btc lol best troll yet
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Oct 11, 2015 22:04
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OhDearGodNo posted:You won't. You'll see the cult communities slowly die down. The most invested will continue to try and gather content, as it slowly becomes apparent things aren't happening. As much as it'd be hilarious to see it explode in some WorldCom like scenario, the sad fact of the matter is the fanbase is going to keep this thing alive for as long as it possibly can. Expect to see places spammed with referral links and recruitment on forums. The money will slowly trickle down and Roberts will slowly keep letting people go, selling off assets and just working on his Squadron 42 movie. If there is no game, expect the 10 hour movie to be released. That's obviously the only thing Roberts cared about and its probably where he blew a large portion of the budget.
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Oct 11, 2015 22:06
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El Grillo posted:This would make sense then, cheers for the explanation. Just for fun I thought I'd check out how much one of their biggest software license overheads is - CryEngine commercial license can be $1.2 million per year. (although presumably they price it on a case by case basis) Game devs are expensive animals!
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Oct 11, 2015 22:08
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Eonwe posted:He is just a creative soul who wanted to
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One of the other big problems is that tech types that decide they're "Creative Visionaries" decide they basically want to behave like Steve Jobs, because the idea of being a successful egomaniacal rear end in a top hat with a personality cult appeals to them. The problem is for every one of them that somehow pulls it off, there're dozens that fail because they end up alienating their employees, fail to heed criticism, and just generally run their business headlong into the ground because they thought too much of themselves.
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Oct 11, 2015 22:09
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Chalks posted:Get your refunds in now folks, last chance before the money dries up! All joking aside, this is the last call for refunds, cry later and you get laughed at.
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Eonwe posted:I can't wait to see the posts when CIG folds and the whales are publicly crying about fraud and 'WE JUST DIDNT KNOW, ALL MY MONEY IS GONE' I would also love seeing these shitheels freak out and I will have no sympathy for them going by how absolutely disgusting they are acting towards anyone that dares criticize crobizzle/SC. like come the gently caress on, death threats? fb stalking people and balckmailing them? sexual harassment? bigotry? yeah, im going to enjoy watching these fuckers watch their dreams crash and burn in the most spectacular fashion.
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The Saddest Robot posted:Anyways for all the making GBS threads on the concept art. Dapper Dan posted:The whole affair is really pathetic. In any other arena besides self or crowd funding, Roberts would have been alternatively laughed and booed off the stage. He'd be fired so loving fast he wouldn't know what hit him. Say what you will about producers and managers, they are there to help guide you and make sure poo poo gets done. Pressure helps with the process because it forces you to commit to something. Usually you are pressured by time or budget or publishers/people, but Roberts has had none of that. bootcha i hope you're getting a lawyer at this point
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Oct 11, 2015 22:11
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Ah it's the guy from Holby. "This is MY hospital". And the person who erases all memory of her dead friends is sacrificing herself like Sandi.
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:they even gave out signed and numbered copies as part of their con yeah i dont know why bootcha isn't going to town on mush mouth crobizzle. if i were in bootcha's shoes i'd be demanding to see their accounts or demand whatever profits my contract entitles me to and get the gently caress out of the whole affair.
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Agrajag posted:I would also love seeing these shitheels freak out and I will have no sympathy for them going by how absolutely disgusting they are acting towards anyone that dares criticize crobizzle/SC. Agreed, but extend that to anyone invested enough in SC to be making 'let's not be a dick guys' groups the whole time. I've been vaguely following this game enough to know that it was a toxic shithole from the very start and if you touched the poop you touched the poop.
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Oh of course loving Chris Roberts has a cameo with a smug loving salute.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Going to be awesome when octopode suck-starts a 12-gauge I don't wish harm to anyone, Octopode's problem has always been that he thinks he's smarter than anyone else, and he choose to express that by completely unjustified faith in a game that was always intended to be revolutionary run by distinctly below average D list celebs and con artists. Octopode himself is probably worth several Chris Roberts, and several dozen Sandi Gardiner's. Octopode I hope you've ok mate and I miss arguing with you about how poo poo this game was going to be. Meanwhile, Warcrimes suck it down. AP fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Chalks posted:Just for fun I thought I'd check out how much one of their biggest software license overheads is - CryEngine commercial license can be $1.2 million per year. (although presumably they price it on a case by case basis) CIG outright purchased the CryEngine source code.
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If someone wanted to craft it I think there is potential for great rabble-rousing agitation if someone could eloquently point out that the current ship sales are all going towards Goon refunds and that loyal backers' money should not be used by CIG to allow cowardly goons to get everything back having also been privy to enjoying the development process, which is essentially stealing. If someone could encapsulate that into a hashtag, like #MyShipIsNotYourRent and start to sprinkle it around to generate dissent. Whip up a real Kim Davis-type sentiment about standing up to right and wrong. It might help fracture their cohesive dogma into a schismatic belief.
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Agrajag posted:if i were in bootcha's shoes i'd be demanding to see their accounts or demand whatever profits my contract entitles me to and get the gently caress out of the whole affair. I'd be very interested to see his contract, given he's mentioned "threats" to buy him out and some kind of penalty if he makes himself too much of an "rear end in a top hat". Seriously bootcha, there are whole firms full of lawyers who specialise in this very situation. They have all manner of ways to pull proper financials out of CIG. Hell, given the notoriety you could possibly get something pro bono for the name recognition.
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unreal engine 4 is free to develop with and only has a royalty attached, which makes them sticking with cryengine all that much more silly
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I like Netflix's description of Wing CommanderNetflix posted:Two cocky pilots are Earth's only hope. An old story, but this time it's 2654 and cat aliens can jump through space The film is godawful though, and illustrates how bad Squadron 42 will be story wise.
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Oct 11, 2015 22:22
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OhDearGodNo posted:That bug is a shining example over how they've been running in place for at least a year. I am very sure you are absolutely correct. Didn't it take them a whole month to do that big code merge? I bet Illfonic was working with code that was so divergent from everything else that CIG just couldn't use it. That big code merge was probably when CIG realized their mistake and tried to save as much work as possible. I really wonder what happened that caused this situation to even exist in the first place.
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ShredsYouSay posted:I like Netflix's description of Wing Commander "Home of the fabled Squadron 42" taken directly from their "hype video" on the mocap sessions for their BDSSE
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Oct 11, 2015 22:28
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Squadron 42 is such an awkward name even. It should clearly be 42nd Squadron.
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AP posted:I don't wish harm to anyone, Octopode's problem has always been that he thinks he's smarter than anyone else, and he choose to express that by completely unjustified faith in a game that was always intended to be revolutionary run by distinctly below average D list celebs and con artists. While I'm sure you're enjoying playing armchair capitalist, I'd encourage you to stop. It's fun for you, but embarrassing as hell for everyone else, like watching a guy pretend to be a successful small business owner when all he's selling is $1 cold water and $10 stolen watches on the street corner. It's just pathetic. Get some money of your own to play with or keep your investment fantasies to yourself like a sane person.
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It seems pretty clear at this point they just chucked anything illfonic had touched, I might be wrong but that's the way it looked to me. They redid the skeleton 8 times, I don't see any reason to believe the Roberts wouldn't want to wipe them from history.
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Octopedo posted:While I'm sure you're enjoying playing armchair capitalist, I'd encourage you to stop. It's fun for you, but embarrassing as hell for everyone else, like watching a guy pretend to be a successful small business owner when all he's selling is $1 cold water and $10 stolen watches on the street corner. It's just pathetic. Get some money of your own to play with or keep your investment fantasies to yourself like a sane person. You're a $10 gimmick acount, that's not very funny. Stones, glass houses and all that.
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Octopedo posted:but embarrassing as hell for everyone else Nope. Shutup.
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BluestreakBTHR posted:CIG outright purchased the CryEngine source code. Well, the commercial licence does come with the source code and cig are on the rather exclusive list of commercial licence holders on the crytech website so I imagine they're in the 1.2mil per year club of there abouts. Might even be more if they hyped how successful they thought the game would be during negotiations!
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I'm beginning to suspect that Octopedo is yet another seraph's alt.
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AP posted:That's not very funny. Seriously, why would you think successful people like myself would be interested in a randopoor's investment advice? I'm doing well, that's why I have disposable income. You don't, so why not just pipe down about investments until you've got grownup income, kay? Great. Thanks.
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Sarsapariller posted:Sadly Wulf Knight was unable to e-beg the community into crowdfunding his Con visit, so he got someone to make Croberts and Sandi cuddle a stuffed wolf in his place. 100% well adjusted behavior. how has no one photoshopped a dick onto this yet
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:they even gave out signed and numbered copies as part of their con I forgot about that. Yeah, those investors should be demanding to see the books right about now and asking what the gently caress is going on. If they refuse, CIG is pretty much violating their rights as investors. That's like, rule number 1 of what an investor can do. At least in a private company.
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Octopedo posted:No, it's not funny at all. It's also not a joke. UNFUNNNY
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Octopedo posted:While I'm sure you're enjoying playing armchair capitalist, I'd encourage you to stop. It's fun for you, but embarrassing as hell for everyone else, like watching a guy pretend to be a successful small business owner when all he's selling is $1 cold water and $10 stolen watches on the street corner. It's just pathetic. Get some money of your own to play with or keep your investment fantasies to yourself like a sane person. You can't even recognize a clear pyramid scheme, so you don't have any right to talk.
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Octopedo posted:No, it's not funny at all. It's also not a joke. Paladinus posted:I'm beginning to suspect that Octopedo is yet another seraph's alt.
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AP posted:UNFUNNNY
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Octopedo posted:Keep trying to distract everyone from the embarrassing fact that you're an obnoxious wageslave offering unsolicited financial advice to internet strangers that are much, much more financially savvy than yourself. I think it's working. last pity reply.
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Apparently you need to be a firefighter to recognize that a building is on fire.
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Hopper posted:The guy is unemployed, spends a shitload on SC and obviously has severe mental problems if he weeps at people taking pictures for him at Citcon because he did not make it...across the pond, on a flight that would have costs several hundred dollars, for a presentation of a video game, in a Manchester Airport hangar of all places. The hilarious thing is that he could have sold some ships and got an airflight-hotel package deal for around $800-$1000. The hotel he would be staying in would be within walking distance of the hangar. If the guy can buy $10,000+ in .jpgs, he can buy a round-trip airline ticket and a two night hotel stay.
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myschef posted:Apparently you need to be a firefighter to recognize that a building is on fire. If by "fire" you mean "flooded", and by "on" you mean "with money". Chris Roberts had more money donated to him today than most of you will earn this decade. Perhaps that's where some of this bitterness is coming from?
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