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zoux posted:These highly trained superstrong safe cracking teens always defeat our gun grabbing arguments Not to mention the majority of gun owners who are apparently extremely deaf, have broken/missing legs and are missing their fingers, so they can't walk to the phone to call 911 when the teens are making a shitload of noise banging their safe around and literally bending and breaking the metal. Guess there's nothing we can do about guns, someone go get me a Coors light.
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The first RCP-quality poll of 2016 is out. It's a fairly crap poll of California that barely matters except for the fact that it's the only poll of anywhere that anyone's done for a week and a half. If it holds up and this is a nationwide trend, say hello to your new Canadian overlord: http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2521.pdf Cruz 25 Trump 23 Rubio 13 Good Doctor Hands 9 Jeb! 6 And the reason I'm actually posting this, the second choice preferences: Cruz 22 Rubio 14 Trump 11 Christie 8 Fiorina 8 Doctor 7 Cucked! 5 Schlonged imo
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Ripoff posted:Not to mention the majority of gun owners who are apparently extremely deaf, have broken/missing legs and are missing their fingers, so they can't walk to the phone to call 911 when the teens are making a shitload of noise banging their safe around and literally bending and breaking the metal. Well you know, without silencers (whose sole purpose is to make guns safe for your ears)
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Luigi Thirty posted:Well you know, without silencers (whose sole purpose is to make guns safe for your ears) Suppressors! 
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Doesn't max4me know that if he had his 1911 in a safe his relative would have just gone online to find a specific weakness in the particular model safe he had, or gone to town on it with a crowbar??? He may as well just leave his guns all just scattered across his front lawn, they are literally just as secure there as they are inside of a safe.
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DrProsek posted:Doesn't max4me know that if he had his 1911 in a safe his relative would have just gone online to find a specific weakness in the particular model safe he had, or gone to town on it with a crowbar??? He may as well just leave his guns all just scattered across his front lawn, they are literally just as secure there as they are inside of a safe. More to the point would you still hold him liable if cousin did that?
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Armyman25 posted:More to the point would you still hold him liable if cousin did that? Would you pay out to a homeowner who left their doors unlocked and got robbed because of videos like these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsk9fneamJA
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Jan 6, 2016 15:25
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:Would you pay out to a homeowner who left their doors unlocked and got robbed because of videos like these? Why did I just watch that? Now I'm probably on some FBI list. Also I hardly doubt people are out there picking deadbolts in the year 2015.
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max4me posted:I had a 1911 pistol stolen from me by family. ResponsibleLawAbidingGunOwner.txt
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At least this episode of "leaving a gun out so there can be a fantastic gun battle to death in the event of a robbery or scary noises" did not result in killing a family member or suicide.
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Adar posted:The first RCP-quality poll of 2016 is out. It's a fairly crap poll of California that barely matters except for the fact that it's the only poll of anywhere that anyone's done for a week and a half. Isn't California the very last primary?
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Armyman25 posted:Good thing you can't break into a safe then. 
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A Man and his dog posted:Why did I just watch that? Now I'm probably on some FBI list. What, knob locks instead? Or keyless pads? Knob locks are easier because all you need for that is a hammer and enough muscle to knock off the knob since that's where the lock is and the door will swing open. Much like how you can crowbar a safe open apparently even, and usually keyless pads come with stuff like ADT or otherwise sophisticated services.
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It is up there and this poll is worthless, except that I have a hunch that the second choice prefs are pretty much correct nationwide right now and it's capturing the third week of the Cruz tsunami.
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I cannot, for the life of me, understand the idolatry of the Constitution among the conservative right. It's a fluid document from nearly 240 years ago. I went to lunch with my mother last month and she handed me a small, glove-box copy of the Constitution....I was like, 'what the hell is this?' She said she bought a box full of them to hand out to family and friends, so they could keep it with them at all times.  That feeling of shame in your family is hard to verbalize.Yet somehow, out of all the amendments, only the 2nd is completely unassailable to most of these amateur constitutional lawyers.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:What, knob locks instead? Or keyless pads? Knob locks are easier because all you need for that is a hammer and enough muscle to knock off the knob since that's where the lock is and the door will swing open. Much like how you can crowbar a safe open apparently even, and usually keyless pads come with stuff like ADT or otherwise sophisticated services.  Sorry I don't rob people. But I'm glad you know these techniques. Not talking poo poo. Cause this is obviously what they do.
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http://nyti.ms/1mFOQzX Debbie Wasserman-Schultz says young women are "complacent" about Hillary because they grew up in a world where Roe v. Wade exists. She also says pot is a gateway drug. gently caress off.
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LeeMajors posted:I cannot, for the life of me, understand the idolatry of the Constitution among the conservative right. It's because we are taught that the Constitution is a divinely inspired document written by Godly Men.
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A Man and his dog posted:
Literally less than a few minutes of google gave me this info but there was also a while back a news article about bike locks that was similarly jaw-dropping in how easy it was to break a bunch of them where the journalist talked to a couple of bike thieves about this stuff which makes me less surprised about it all. I'm still gonna keep my knob lock locked on my front door because even if it is a piece of poo poo when put up against someone determined to break it I'm not dumb enough to think that's a good reason to invite trouble by not locking it anyway. e: more easy googling! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVd8KWgr5-c
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Paper isn't a fluid last I checked
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Luigi Thirty posted:http://nyti.ms/1mFOQzX She's the worst
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mastershakeman posted:Paper isn't a fluid last I checked 
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mastershakeman posted:Paper isn't a fluid last I checked Ideas are bulletproof but you can't wear them as armor.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:Literally less than a few minutes of google gave me this info but there was also a while back a news article about bike locks that was similarly jaw-dropping in how easy it was to break a bunch of them where the journalist talked to a couple of bike thieves about this stuff which makes me less surprised about it all. I'm still gonna keep my knob lock locked on my front door because even if it is a piece of poo poo when put up against someone determined to break it I'm not dumb enough to think that's a good reason to invite trouble by not locking it anyway. Bumping locks is mega easy, yeah. First time I had to do it to get into my own house, took a couple of minutes to file down a key and all of 15 seconds to get in. Frighteningly easy. Best not to think about those sorts of things, really.
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Armyman25 posted:More to the point would you still hold him liable if cousin did that? More to the point, would a gun stored on a front lawn be exactly as secure as a gun in a safe in a house?
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Buy a dog, crime fearers.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:What, knob locks instead? Or keyless pads? Knob locks are easier because all you need for that is a hammer and enough muscle to knock off the knob since that's where the lock is and the door will swing open. Much like how you can crowbar a safe open apparently even, and usually keyless pads come with stuff like ADT or otherwise sophisticated services. Really safes and locks at the end of the day aren't there for stopping someone who really wants what is behind them. They're for the lazy burglar that can't be assed to kick your door in or break out the crow bar. Also don't worry about someone picking your lock when your door frame is more than likely basically made of the cheapest wood available and held in with hilariously short screws. zoux posted:Buy a dog, crime fearers.
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Alternatively stop living in fear and love your fellow sentient beings unconditionally
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1) Everyone should buy a dog 2) Who the gently caress has to train a guard to be a guard dog, get a dog, it will bark at strangers, the mythical robbers that break into people's houses while they are home will give you a pass and go to the next dog-less house. The mental gymnastics gun people go through to convince you that obvious and simple conclusions are in fact not the case if you will just consider this extremely convoluted and tortured chain of logic, you will see that more guns are clearly the answer to gun crime.
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crazy cloud posted:Alternatively stop living in fear and love your fellow sentient beings unconditionally But... ISIS!
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McDowell posted:Ideas are bulletproof but you can't wear them as armor. This directly contradicts the V for Vendetta documentary I watched the other year
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Gravel Gravy posted:This directly contradicts the V for Vendetta documentary I watched the other year No, the ideas were bulletproof, but the actual armor was a metal (or ceramic?) plate. RevKrule posted:The Bundy standoff got magical overnight. I know it doesn't look like much, but in post production that bluescreen is going to pop when it turns into a badass skull fort.
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LeeMajors posted:I cannot, for the life of me, understand the idolatry of the Constitution among the conservative right. In the same way the founding Fathers have become deified, the Constitution has become their sacred gospel. With the same picking and choosing, ignoring, and making poo poo up these type of people apply to the Bible
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zoux posted:1) Everyone should buy a dog Rental lease won't even let my family have cats and we're too poor to rent elsewhere atm, not that I fear robbery anyway because we're not exactly prime targets. crazy cloud posted:Alternatively stop living in fear and love your fellow sentient beings unconditionally Tell my fellow sentient beings to stop being horrible assholes to each other all the time first. 
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Smith and Wesson et al. should really be major Democratic candidate fundraisers. Obama has done more to (indirectly) increase gun manufacturer revenue and stock prices than any other President I've ever seen. This isn't something really new or surprising. It's not a coincidence that most modern gun control was passed by a coalition of social conservatives and "law and order" Democrats, but had the full support of gun companies. The companies' part of the deal was that the laws would protect or even improve their business, for example by blocking cheaper imports, by choking out upstart companies, or just by forcing the market toward more expensive, high-margin products over cheap, low-margin ones. The "universal background check" law Obama pushed fits perfectly into this mold too, just since it forced private sales through commercial dealers rather than allowing private sellers to verify buyers themselves. If someone proposed a law in any other in industry that worked this way it would (rightfully) be pointed out as a handout to manufacturers and dealers by disincentivizing used sales specifically and making sure dealers always get their cut. Ditto for proposed new AWBs on federal and state levels: they don't really reduce gun availability or lethality, nor are they honestly intended to: they just mean that if you're buying a new gun you have to make sure you're using all new post-ban parts with it, and that means extra sales. There pretty clearly isn't deliberate collusion between modern gun control advocates and the gun lobby like there was in the past, but the effective results would be the same. What changed there? That's another of the funny things, but it ties in heavily to why gun control stalled on the national level even though it progresses in some but not all blue states. The Reagan-era social conservatives who were into gun control got old and died: their replacements were less opposed to guns that weren't in John Wayne movies, and less invested in Jim Crow era may-issue laws meant to keep guns from blacks and poors. Gun buyers started to notice when gun companies would screw them over, causing a backlash. Since gun control advocates weren't customers, and since the incrementalist approach requires them to go back to calling the gun lobby double-Hitler on the next law no matter how much they cooperate on this ones, it turned out to have no real upside. This left just the more authoritarian and urban Democratic factions as strong gun control advocates, since progressives will passively support gun control but won't go out on a limb when given a choice between guns and actual progressive issues, while remaining rural Democrats represent constituents who like guns fine. They still keep proposing the same wish-list laws that were devised when the other two factions were still biting, though, and the growing tribal nature of the issue means that "stick it to those guys" becomes a selling point in itself even where no one seriously believes a proposed policy will change the course of (stubbornly decreasing) gun violence. Oddly enough, if you're a gun company, the breakup between gun control advocates and the gun lobby is win-win. If laws don't pass you can sell to people afraid of coming bans; if laws do pass, most won't seriously hurt your business and some will help; either way, your customers can't blame you, and your non-customers wouldn't blame you less if you did anything else.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:But... ISIS! "LOVE YOUR ENEMY unless they're really mean and distasteful"
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Geostomp posted:Preying on insecurities has become the biggest gun advertising tactic over the decades. It's part of why their diehard supporters are trained to reject any attempt to regulate them as an attack on their very identity. It also is no coincidence that the sort of weapons that appealing to those insecurities let them sell easiest - semi-automatic handguns and rifles with military or law-enforcement styling - are very profitable compared to boring (and highly competitive) poo poo like an over-under shotgun or bolt-action deer rifle. And that's before you get into all the tacticool accessories you can sell.
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ReidRansom posted:Bumping locks is mega easy, yeah. First time I had to do it to get into my own house, took a couple of minutes to file down a key and all of 15 seconds to get in. Frighteningly easy. Best not to think about those sorts of things, really. Hopping in from the insurance/loss control side - this is true but not. As a general rule, if someone wants to take something of yours/break into your house/steal your guns/etc, they're going to do it. There is basically nothing you can do that will stop a sufficiently motivated thief. However. The key part of the phrase there is 'sufficiently motivated'. A huge amount of this stuff is preventable by taking even basic precautions because the vast majority of thieves will consider it not worth the time investment and risk. It's far, FAR more lucrative to move on to an unprotected target (which there are plenty of - so many people are complete idiots for home security). Basic poo poo like locking your doors prevents a huge amount of crime. Ironically, they're usually (unless they have a specific grudge against you) only going to go above and beyond to break in if they know you've got something that's portable, significantly valuable and easy to sell. Like a gun!
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McDowell posted:Ideas are bulletproof but you can't wear them as armor. Actually a bunch of soaking wet dictionaries are pretty good at slowing down smaller caliber bullets and furthermore 
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