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Roland Jones posted:Other than the hearts probably meaning happiness or affection, they seem like they might just happen. I'd have to reread it and look at a bunch of the lines in order to try to see otherwise. a zoldyck was one of the trio that actually got anywhere in the dark continent
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Thunderbro posted:a zoldyck was one of the trio that actually got anywhere in the dark continent Oh right, point. Huh, though; that was long before Alluka was born. I wonder if something hung around the family before going into Alluka, or something else, then.
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Jan 23, 2016 04:46
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Roland Jones posted:Oh right, point. Huh, though; that was long before Alluka was born. I wonder if something hung around the family before going into Alluka, or something else, then. guess we'll see after togashi finally decides to hand the outline over to someone who actually makes japanese comics
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Be careful what you wish for, you can probably count the number of people in the manga industry with Togashi's talent and genre savviness with one hand
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Another writer using Togashi's ideas would entirely depend on the skill of the writer. I mean, the anime adaptations were pretty bad at time and they had the manga to go from. Now, Togashi writing and someone else drawing would be another matter entirely, but the man has no particular reason to go through that much trouble.
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Roland Jones posted:Other than the hearts probably meaning happiness or affection, they seem like they might just happen. I'd have to reread it and look at a bunch of the lines in order to try to see otherwise. Yeah I've been doing that too. I think the spades show up when hes upset or annoyed and the diamond is when hes explaining something. I could just be seeing things that arent there though
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I'm reading the manga up to CH 100+ and the art is ... not bad? I'd been expecting some ONE-level of stickman hitting each other but it works. He does add a lot of text which I thought the anime handled better before I zoned out.
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Let us know when you get to the end of Greed Island.
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Alder posted:I'm reading the manga up to CH 100+ and the art is ... not bad? I'd been expecting some ONE-level of stickman hitting each other but it works. He does add a lot of text which I thought the anime handled better before I zoned out. The art doesn't get bad until Greed Island and even then it depends on if its the volume version or not.
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TWIST FIST posted:Yeah I've been doing that too. I think the spades show up when hes upset or annoyed and the diamond is when hes explaining something. I could just be seeing things that arent there though I remember associating either spades or clubs with irritation too, actually. Can't remember though because it was a long time ago.
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davidHalestorm posted:What about Netero? The Hunter X Hunter wiki stated that he is an Enhancer but to operate the 100-Hand Guanyin, it seemed you needed mastery in every category but since Netero is apparently over 100 years old, I suppose he had the talent and the time maximised his potential. I mean, I struggled how anyone else, besides obviously the Chimera Ant King, could survive a fight with Netero if he is serious. I mean, the Zero Hand move is basically a DragonBall beam attack. He emits the statue, enhances the blows and manipulates the hands? Why would you need all the nen types for that? He actually only needs three for it to operate. He puts pretty stringent conditions on in both having to making a long prayer before he moves and then having to make complicated hand gestures to do additional string attacks in order to overcome the fact that his manipulation skills would be weak. The only reason it works so well is because he specifically trained the motion until it got so fast you couldn't even see it happening. Meruem even comments on this saying that to achieve that kind've of speed for one specific movement is inconceivable, anyone that dedicated their time to it to that level would have to be bordering on madness. Zero hand is just him doing the same thing, but emitting all his nen into a blast Mikl posted:I've been re-reading Yu Yu Hakusho, and near the end you can start to see creative uses of powers which would later (in HunterxHunter) become Nen. The taboo power showdown was always my favorite. It only works because despite his personal limitations on range (which I'm sure if he had more time to train it, that power would've been absurdly strong), the team is forced into playing the game on his terms because they can't just muscle their way through. He just took that concept of that in HxH and ran with it. It's never straight up power levels, the specialised Nen abilites like God's Accomplice or Kortopis copy ability are valued way more than people who are just straight up fighters and I love it
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Kild posted:The art doesn't get bad until Greed Island and even then it depends on if its the volume version or not. Welp that explains a lot since I'm reading Viz and also censorship has appeared  I'd say recc'd order is HxH 2011> HxH manga> MAYBE HxH 1999/movies. I read the reviews for the movie and they look not good.
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Pretty sure netero needs conjuration to make the statue be there, not emission. Emission is required for the zero hand. I don't think transmutation or specialization factor into netero's power, but that's still a hell of a lot of nen fields that he has mastered
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Does the 2011 anime introduce anything new to the source material?
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Jan 24, 2016 18:48
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Cool animation, and occasionally cool music. Not much expansion on other things though.
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everythingWasBees posted:Does the 2011 anime introduce anything new to the source material? A measure of closure that manga fans will more than likely never receive. 
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ninjewtsu posted:Pretty sure netero needs conjuration to make the statue be there, not emission. Emission is required for the zero hand. Nope the statue is created with Emission. Emission can do a lot of the same stuff as conjuration.
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ninjewtsu posted:I don't think transmutation or specialization factor into netero's power, but that's still a hell of a lot of nen fields that he has mastered he's old as hell so its fine
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MonsterEnvy posted:Nope the statue is created with Emission. I thought the point of emission is that it's short-lived, projectile-type nen, while conjuration is creating a more permanent, lower velocity object Is it directly stated that the statue is made with emission somewhere? Otherwise I have no idea why it would logically be emission over conjuration
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emission makes "energy" and conjuration makes "matter", furthermore non-nen users usually cannot see emissions but usually can see conjurations his statue is a thing of pure force
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this argument is stupid because the Bodhisattva comes from the HEART
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everythingWasBees posted:Does the 2011 anime introduce anything new to the source material? Eh not exactly. They did make Killua more friendly/younger vs in the manga he's older/serious than Gon.
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HerraS posted:this argument is stupid because the Bodhisattva comes from the HEART That said, the concept of Nen types in general always struck me as more of an easy way of explaining variations - rather than some kind of hard and fast classification system from which there is no escape. Paragraphs like the one I just wrote above run the risk of turning everything into a numbers game, which IMO betrays some of the spirit of the series. Togashi loves his systems, but they serve a greater purpose than simply existing to enforce themselves.
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ninjewtsu posted:I thought the point of emission is that it's short-lived, projectile-type nen, while conjuration is creating a more permanent, lower velocity object You would be incorrect then. Knuckles' APR is Emission as well. Remember Tocino from the Yorknew arc who was killed by Franklin. He had Dolls he manipulated that were created through Emission. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Tocino was a bit different in that he seemed to fill some sort of balloon/suit with emitted Nen if I recall correctly, but yes, Knuckle's little sprite thing was Emission as well.
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As someone else mentioned, the key difference is that conjuration creates an actual object that normal people can see. As long as the conjured object is around, for all practical purposes it's a real thing. edit: But I want to say that you would need a mix of conjuration and emission in order to conjure something that you don't require constant contact to use.
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Bad Seafood posted:It's also kinda pointless because nobody's "Bound" to their particular type, it's just what they have the strongest affinity for with increasingly diminishing returns the further away they stray. Netero's an enhancer, meaning he can master enhancer abilities with 100% efficiency and potency. Emission and transmutation border enhancement, allowing him to practice either of them with roughly 80% compatibility, with manipulation and conjuring a click beyond at a lower but perfectly serviceable 60%. Long as Netero's drawing primarily from the category he shares the most affinity with, there's no reason he can't dip into other areas to reinforce/trick out his abilities. I do like that the system on it's face looks like it's numerically based, but then when you think about it the numbers mean nothing. Nobody is ever going to 100% master any category and the percentage limitations are really less about limiting effectiveness and more about making it harder to be good. So an enhancer could create a exquisite masterpiece of emission nen, it's just harder for them to do so than create an enhancement nen technique. Add into it that people's nen types can change over time, and it's a very open system that appears to be strictly locked down. If the hiatus ever ends and Gon get's his Nen back, I kind of hope he changes as a character resulting in him having a different affinity and thus new attacks.
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Gyges posted:I do like that the system on it's face looks like it's numerically based, but then when you think about it the numbers mean nothing. Nobody is ever going to 100% master any category and the percentage limitations are really less about limiting effectiveness and more about making it harder to be good. So an enhancer could create a exquisite masterpiece of emission nen, it's just harder for them to do so than create an enhancement nen technique. Add into it that people's nen types can change over time, and it's a very open system that appears to be strictly locked down. I don't really get this impression. Kastro's character more or less existed as a way to tell the viewer "hey you shouldn't focus on nen types far away from your expertise." Since the time a person can train is limited, and you'll never be as good at a given category as someone who is inherently better suited to it for a given amount of time spent, it's just kind of dumb to not build your skill-set around your type. Yeah, you can become "strong" in a general sense at any type of nen regardless of your natural type, but you'll definitely be significantly handicapped and incapable of beating anyone who also obsesses over self-improvement but specializes in something closer to their natural type.
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Knuckle's whole story kinda points out that numerical power level doesn't matter, because you can fight someone whose power level is so insanely high (Youpi) that he'll never go bankrupt in a reasonable amount of time and still win, mainly because your victory condition is not tied specifically to "defeat him in combat". Similarly, Kurapika killed Uvogin pretty easily despite the fact that he was most likely one of the strongest Spiders in direct combat and there's no way a kid who learned Nen a couple months ago is going to be able to beat a Spider under normal circumstances. Killua couldn't even get away from Machi, who hasn't been shown to be one of the more combat oriented Spiders, and he was (and is still) the strongest fighter of the group. Also it should be pointed out that Netero invented the Shingen-Ryu school of martial arts and he literally codified the language on how to define Nen and its possibilities. I wouldn't be surprised if those "restrictions" are either just a general guideline (I mean, Kurapika already circumvents them) and/or can be surpassed through mastery of the art.
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Ytlaya posted:I don't really get this impression. Kastro's character more or less existed as a way to tell the viewer "hey you shouldn't focus on nen types far away from your expertise." Kastro lost because he fought Hisoka. Hisoka claims it's because he wasted all his talent by training so far outside his natural comparability, but dude was making instant clones and tiger claws. A big part of Nen aside from category is your personal imagination and feelings. Sure, on paper Kastro could have developed a more powerful technique in a different combination of categories over the same time and effort. However if he was totally into clones and tiger claws, that's really not true. quote:Yeah, you can become "strong" in a general sense at any type of nen regardless of your natural type, but you'll definitely be significantly handicapped and incapable of beating anyone who also obsesses over self-improvement but specializes in something closer to their natural type. No, you will suffer a handicap in that it will be harder for you to learn or master a category of nen outside your natural affinity. That doesn't mean that an enhancer can never develop a more powerful emission technique than an emitter given the same time and training. Inherent ability is different between people, something twice as hard for Netero to master than it is for Pokkle is still going to result in Netero being better at it than Pokkle. If Gon weren't a fairly dumb child he could kick the poo poo out of most people in any category other than Specialist simply because he has such crazy innate ability and learning speed. Remember that skyscrapper hair Gon didn't use Nen to become strong enough to beat the King, he used Nen to age himself to the point where he would be able to beat the King. Which means in a few years with the proper training Gon would be on Netero and Merium's level, which is crazy strong. Eej posted:Knuckle's whole story kinda points out that numerical power level doesn't matter, because you can fight someone whose power level is so insanely high (Youpi) that he'll never go bankrupt in a reasonable amount of time and still win, mainly because your victory condition is not tied specifically to "defeat him in combat". Similarly, Kurapika killed Uvogin pretty easily despite the fact that he was most likely one of the strongest Spiders in direct combat and there's no way a kid who learned Nen a couple months ago is going to be able to beat a Spider under normal circumstances. Killua couldn't even get away from Machi, who hasn't been shown to be one of the more combat oriented Spiders, and he was (and is still) the strongest fighter of the group. Yes, when you factor in that what you do with your Nen is as, if not more, important than how strong your Nen is, it further reinforces that the numbers and percentages are just dressing that makes the system look more complicated and "scientific". Gyges fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Well, Kurapika also shows that there is something to the limits beyond it just being harder; the whole thing with his chains and revenge and whatnot is majorly important to him, but a lot of his power requires Emperor Time, which (somewhat) loosens his restrictions on the other types on Nen and stuff.
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Gyges posted:Kastro lost because he fought Hisoka. Hisoka claims it's because he wasted all his talent by training so far outside his natural comparability, but dude was making instant clones and tiger claws. A big part of Nen aside from category is your personal imagination and feelings. Sure, on paper Kastro could have developed a more powerful technique in a different combination of categories over the same time and effort. However if he was totally into clones and tiger claws, that's really not true. I think it's fair to say that your personal passions would usually coincide with your natural type, though. It's not like peoples' nen types are random; they're based on their personalities in some way.
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Gyges posted:Kastro lost because he fought Hisoka. Hisoka claims it's because he wasted all his talent by training so far outside his natural comparability, but dude was making instant clones and tiger claws. A big part of Nen aside from category is your personal imagination and feelings. Sure, on paper Kastro could have developed a more powerful technique in a different combination of categories over the same time and effort. However if he was totally into clones and tiger claws, that's really not true. Kastro was very impressive. He lost to Hisoka largely because he kept falling for Hisoka's mind games. He even had a very large advantage during the fight after he took off both of his Hisoka's hands but kept falling for Hisoka's tricks preventing him from capitalizing on it. Wing pointed out that the large amount of focus he put on an ability he created just so he could beat Hisoka weakened him. Stating that while it was an impressive ability because it required two Nen types he was not as good at to use it, it weakened his concentration and took power away from his primary category of enhancement. Wing then pointed out that had Kastro focused more on the area's he was good in he could have been one of the best Nen Users in the world. Gyges posted:No, you will suffer a handicap in that it will be harder for you to learn or master a category of nen outside your natural affinity. That doesn't mean that an enhancer can never develop a more powerful emission technique than an emitter given the same time and training. Inherent ability is different between people, something twice as hard for Netero to master than it is for Pokkle is still going to result in Netero being better at it than Pokkle. If Gon weren't a fairly dumb child he could kick the poo poo out of most people in any category other than Specialist simply because he has such crazy innate ability and learning speed. Remember that skyscrapper hair Gon didn't use Nen to become strong enough to beat the King, he used Nen to age himself to the point where he would be able to beat the King. Which means in a few years with the proper training Gon would be on Netero and Merium's level, which is crazy strong. To be exact Gon drew out his maximum potential. That was him at the strongest he could possibly ever be. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Regardless of his talent Kastro was a huge dumbass. To beat a tricky, deceptive dude he developed a tricky, deceptive ability from scratch. Kastro tried to out-Hisoka Hisoka, which is so fantastically stupid that he probably couldn't beat him if he spent his whole life preparing.
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I thought it wasn't Gon at his maximum potential, just Gon at as strong as he'd need to be to defeat Pitou. Which says more about how strong Pitou/Netero was than anything else since Netero effortlessly swatted her aside. The idea that Gon could now kill Meruem was an observation on Pitou's part. We don't actually know what Gon wanted, only that he wanted to be strong enough to avenge Kite, eg. kill Pitou and possibly also Meruem. Also, even if it was Gon at his maximum potential, it was still Gon only possessing the technique/knowledge of his kid self. An actual Gon who had trained for that many years would be a way more sophisticated Nen user and a much wiser person in general, but then again it's Gon so maybe he'd have learned nothing  E: Also Kastro owns because he's a good example of how appearances mean nothing when it comes to Nen. The subtle bungee gum crap Hisoka does, is endlessly more powerful than his manta style bullshit. SHAOLIN FUCKFIEND fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Ytlaya posted:As someone else mentioned, the key difference is that conjuration creates an actual object that normal people can see. As long as the conjured object is around, for all practical purposes it's a real thing. Nope just Emission and Manipulation are required. Think of something like Goreinus gorillas or Razors devils and you get a pretty good idea of what decent emitters who don't just focus on making projectile attacks can actually do.
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SHAOLIN FUCKFIEND posted:Also, even if it was Gon at his maximum potential, it was still Gon only possessing the technique/knowledge of his kid self. An actual Gon who had trained for that many years would be a way more sophisticated Nen user and a much wiser person in general, but then again it's Gon so maybe he'd have learned nothing I might go out on a limb but I'm confident older Gon would be a lot more mature/wiser due to his circumstances. I hope someday we get a follow-up on teen and/or adult Gon and Killua's lives. Eventually.
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