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I never watched AoS so I'm happy to hear that they acknowledge WS. And yeah, it was quite clear that you're supposed to agree with Steve: SHIELD wasn't corrupted from outside, it was corrupted by its own members, and Hydra only moved in when it was no longer possible to tell a SHIELD agent apart from a HYDRA agent. It's a little silly that Fury has his own rogue squad of agents and mobile base, but I guess "they're only around for humanitarian aid" is supposed to be Good Enough until Civil War. And because Sam Jackson brings in a shitload of money.
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Neurolimal posted:I never watched AoS so I'm happy to hear that they acknowledge WS. It's probably the neatest thing about Agents of Shield. Agents of Shield starts out as a pretty mediocre, cliche character filled procedural pretty much, but a lot of that (probably too much because people got bored with the boringness) was just set up so that they could blow up all those expectations once they got to the Winter Soldier crossover. The best bad guy in the show (and one of the best bad guys in the whole MCU...though the competition ain't that stiff) started as a very boring/cookie cutter tough guy good guy secret agent type.
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Apr 10, 2016 01:18
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BlackJosh posted:It's probably the neatest thing about Agents of Shield. Agents of Shield starts out as a pretty mediocre, cliche character filled procedural pretty much, but a lot of that (probably too much because people got bored with the boringness) was just set up so that they could blow up all those expectations once they got to the Winter Soldier crossover.
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Apr 10, 2016 01:44
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:I think these pretty well sum up why I give Snyder a pass even if some of his films are deeply flawed. At the end of the day I'm just glad he's out there making movies because he's so goddamned unique. I really hate the idea that different carries some inherent worth. BlackJosh posted:It's probably the neatest thing about Agents of Shield. Agents of Shield starts out as a pretty mediocre, cliche character filled procedural pretty much, but a lot of that (probably too much because people got bored with the boringness) was just set up so that they could blow up all those expectations once they got to the Winter Soldier crossover. The best bad guy in the show (and one of the best bad guys in the whole MCU...though the competition ain't that stiff) started as a very boring/cookie cutter tough guy good guy secret agent type. I got bored of AoS after a fair few episodes and tuned out forever. Heard about the twist though. Did it really stick? Did they manage to turn that guy heel and keep him that way without making him some kind of triple agent or he's conflicted or he's gonna come back?
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Apr 10, 2016 01:54
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SonicRulez posted:I really hate the idea that different carries some inherent worth. Different stuff is interesting, especially when the industry standard is boring.
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Apr 10, 2016 01:57
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SonicRulez posted:I really hate the idea that different carries some inherent worth. Er...alright.
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Apr 10, 2016 01:58
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SonicRulez posted:I got bored of AoS after a fair few episodes and tuned out forever. Heard about the twist though. Did it really stick? Did they manage to turn that guy heel and keep him that way without making him some kind of triple agent or he's conflicted or he's gonna come back? e: Oh wait forgot about Fisk. But still.
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Not only did it stick but they added elements of humanization or rationalization to induce thoughts of "it's all a trick" or "it's a point of view thing" and then they down down. And then triple down. People bailing on the boring are easily forgiven but if you stick with a season of that the payoff continues rolling in.
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Apr 10, 2016 02:14
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SonicRulez posted:I really hate the idea that different carries some inherent worth. Really?
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So, here's why Superman couldn't just find Martha, from Snyder's mouthquote:“I think all the way – to me, from Metropolis to Smallville is probably just on the edge of his range of hearing” he explained. “Also the clutter of the city makes it difficult as well." It's sound logic, but, god, people are gonna get ripshit angry about this answer aren't they?
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Apr 10, 2016 02:43
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ElNarez posted:So, here's why Superman couldn't just find Martha, from Snyder's mouth I think the only work in which Superman tries to save literally everyone is Red Son. Incidentally, I'm not a huge fan of that story.
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Apr 10, 2016 02:46
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SonicRulez posted:I really hate the idea that different carries some inherent worth. Jeez, dude. That poster isn't saying "different is always better!", just that they appreciate things that at least try to be different. ElNarez posted:So, here's why Superman couldn't just find Martha, from Snyder's mouth
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Apr 10, 2016 02:50
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computer parts posted:Different stuff is interesting, especially when the industry standard is boring. At a certain level I agree, novelty in and of itself is a trifle and something like Creed or Fury that's wholly derivative but has a nuanced perspective on the well trodden ground it covers ends up in everyone's favorites every year. The real problem with what he's saying is it's a strawman, no one is saying things are good entirely because they're different.
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2+2=5 is different, but its also bad maths. Thats not to say different is inherently wrong either, just that a part of the risk of Different is the potential to not be superior (or even inferior).
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Neurolimal posted:2+2=5 is different, but its also bad maths. With truncation, that's actually half of all possibilities.
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SonicRulez posted:I really hate the idea that different carries some inherent worth. They gave him some pathos but he's definitely a hosed up psycho and has no chance of redemption at this point (if he ever did) beyond supernatural fuckery and pretty much every body on the team at one point or another has talked about how much they want to murder him (some of them have even got their shot and they've all at least taken it when they've had the chance even if it hasn't worked out exactly).
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ElNarez posted:So, here's why Superman couldn't just find Martha, from Snyder's mouth He really shouldn't bother, because explaining away all of the plotholes involved in Superman's selective use of powers is a conversation that would never end. Its like Peter Petrelli from Heroes, his powers only worked as well as the plot would allow. Otherwise there would be no drama since he'd instantly solve every problem before they got started. The only way to win that game is to not play.
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DeimosRising posted:At a certain level I agree, novelty in and of itself is a trifle and something like Creed or Fury that's wholly derivative but has a nuanced perspective on the well trodden ground it covers ends up in everyone's favorites every year. The real problem with what he's saying is it's a strawman, no one is saying things are good entirely because they're different. Ok, but the post just said "I'm glad he's making stuff because he's unique." If it had said "I'm glad his unique vision accomplishes xyz" then I wouldn't have said anything. But it came off as that it was appreciated just because it was different. I was looking for an explanation as to how those differences make up a better product. Ape Agitator posted:Not only did it stick but they added elements of humanization or rationalization to induce thoughts of "it's all a trick" or "it's a point of view thing" and then they down down. And then triple down. That's actually really cool. AoS is on Netflix, I should force myself through it.
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Rewatching man of steel really helped me appreciate how good zimmer's soundtrack is and how integral it is to the movie. Clark saves bus? Triumphant reprise of main theme. Kids see Clark save bus? Somber, dangerous. Clark goes back to save Todd? Happy, but not triumphant. I wouldn't say the message is obvious, but the music really helps sell what Clark's dad had to say about his actions. (Also the scene where he tells Clark "...maybe" is way more nuanced than  Objectivist Zack Snyder )
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SonicRulez posted:Ok, but the post just said "I'm glad he's making stuff because he's unique." If it had said "I'm glad his unique vision accomplishes xyz" then I wouldn't have said anything. But it came off as that it was appreciated just because it was different. I was looking for an explanation as to how those differences make up a better product. You could have directly asked for elaboration instead of using a strawman argument.
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SonicRulez posted:Ok, but the post just said "I'm glad he's making stuff because he's unique." If it had said "I'm glad his unique vision accomplishes xyz" then I wouldn't have said anything. But it came off as that it was appreciated just because it was different. I was looking for an explanation as to how those differences make up a better product. He was quoting me and I was talking about visuals with specific scenes called out 
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SonicRulez posted:I really hate the idea that different carries some inherent worth. computer parts posted:Different stuff is interesting, especially when the industry standard is boring. Yeah, interesting is a much better word to use. I'd rather watch an interesting bad movie rather than a boring movie. Like, give me Batman and Robin a million times before I watch Thor again. B&R isn't good, but it sure is fascinating.
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Interesting bad films bum me out because they got soooo close but just shat the bed. Making movies is hard and people failing doing so is sad. Except when it's Brett Ratner.
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Looking at these two, it's amazing how much better and realistic the WS soldier fight looks. The batman clip looks like everyone's being blown around the room by a powerful fan. I always hated cap fighting with a shield, never really understood how it would help in a fight in the modern era, but seeing all the little quick beats of how it's useful (hiding behind it at close range to block bullets) really helped the scene. The batman fight looks like a bad cliche, taking all the worst elements of bad looking kung fu and combining it in one scene. Snyder should watch this before directing another film: https://youtu.be/Z1PCtIaM_GQ At least you see some of the impact in the cap gif.
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SonicRulez posted:Ok, but the post just said "I'm glad he's making stuff because he's unique." If it had said "I'm glad his unique vision accomplishes xyz" then I wouldn't have said anything. But it came off as that it was appreciated just because it was different. I was looking for an explanation as to how those differences make up a better product. I do appreciate it just because it's different. Different inherently makes for an interesting product, even if it's not functionally better. Remember we're talking about art here. To rephrase; I think Winter Soldier is a better movie by most measures, but BvS is a more interesting movie by a mile.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Yeah, interesting is a much better word to use. I'd rather watch an interesting bad movie rather than a boring movie. Like, give me Batman and Robin a million times before I watch Thor again. B&R isn't good, but it sure is fascinating. I think after the first 340,000 views watching Thor instead might start sounding ok.
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Kurzon posted:How humorous were the Suicide Squad books? Sorry for the necro. There was a multi-issue mystery where members of the team kept getting pied in the face. Link for all the times it happened. It was Captain Boomerang Most of the humor was dark, but there was that.
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Electromax posted:I think after the first 340,000 views watching Thor instead might start sounding ok. I dunno man, I really didn't like Thor.
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Mourning Due posted:Looking at these two, it's amazing how much better and realistic the WS soldier fight looks. The batman clip looks like everyone's being blown around the room by a powerful fan. I always hated cap fighting with a shield, never really understood how it would help in a fight in the modern era, but seeing all the little quick beats of how it's useful (hiding behind it at close range to block bullets) really helped the scene. The Batman fight is taken from the trailer and there a lot of stuff cut from it to shorten it down, you can't judge it based on the gif.
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Equeen posted:You could have directly asked for elaboration instead of using a strawman argument. Not a strawman. Au Revoir Shosanna posted:I do appreciate it just because it's different. Different inherently makes for an interesting product, even if it's not functionally better. See, I'm not sure I agree with that stand point either. Different only means different. Something doesn't have to be different to be interesting. Whether you think BvS is more interesting than WS is all you, but I would think there's more to it than it's not Winter Soldier.
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SonicRulez posted:Not a strawman. Agreed there, for me BvS had interesting visuals for sure, but the overall product was kinda dull. Give me something like Guardians or Winter Soldier that maybe has less interesting visuals (though Guardians had some gorgeous shots), but excels in other areas any day of the week.
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The BvS thread in GBS has turned into a support group for people who dont like CineD and are crying to each other about this thread and its pretty funny. They also really hate Zack Snyder to the point where its kind of sad and they are gleefully anticipating the supposedly inevitable downfall of the DCEU like some kind of nerd version of the Mean Girls. Keep it goin in here guys, even if you are all objectively wrong about this movie its totally worth the meltdowns in that thread.
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Hey, don't hate. GBS is where I go for all my quality discussions.
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SonicRulez posted:Not a strawman. Sure, I agree with that, this is obviously all very subjective and there are obviously exemptions, but we can probably all agree that uniqueness is valuable, and is a quality in and of itself. How important you rate that quality is up to you. Au Revoir Shosanna fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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Really cool + awesome how "having different taste in movies" is a dangerous enough act to get a shark-tank thread about you where a bunch of weirdos furiously Jack each other off about how much they hate you.
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"Show me where on the doll CineD touched you." "They liked PROMETHEUS, man! They didn't need to touch my body. They touched my SOUL."
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I saw BvS the other day and thought it was really, really great with a couple of small caveats like the "save...Martha- WHY DID YOU SAY THAT???  part but hearing here the rumor that they might release into theatres the 'director's extended cut' seems kinda like cheating and makes me annoyed. It feels like double dipping on the goodwill of all of us who went and saw the ~incomplete~ one.  Asking us to spend ANOTHER eleven dollars to get a slightly more coherent version of it. I'm fine having it be a different media release like for bluray or whatever.That said, I really hope the movie continues to do well, because I really enjoy this modern DC movie take on their characters. They're such visually arresting movies, too, on top of their layers of characterization. I love their take on Superman, and thought he was pretty fantastic here. Pa Kent's story really put clearly for those that didn't pick it up otherwise what Clark has been going through, and I really think it's an interesting and unique take. Batffleck is just amazing. The bits of dialog with Alfred, his entire experience during the Metropolis destruction in the beginning, the casual observation and help he gave to that pit fighter to take down the stronger opponent, the framed butchered Robin outfit...even his dreams and stuff (except for the random Flash bit, was all wonderful. Wonder Woman getting knocked the hosed back by doomsday and dropping her sword before she grins and leaps back into the fight was pretty awesome, as well. I loved that little bit. Lex took a bit to warm up to, and I wish there was more to his decline into insanity than a shitton of assumptions that only really comic nerds would understand based off from the single line of conversation between him and the ship - "there are 100,000 worlds and information blah blah what would you like to know?" "Tell me all of it." I am goddamned stoked for the future individual Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman movies. Ooh, and the team movies, too. Drifter fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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Mourning Due posted:Looking at these two, it's amazing how much better and realistic the WS soldier fight looks. The batman clip looks like everyone's being blown around the room by a powerful fan. I always hated cap fighting with a shield, never really understood how it would help in a fight in the modern era, but seeing all the little quick beats of how it's useful (hiding behind it at close range to block bullets) really helped the scene. I think it's kind of fun how we both see the same thing but walk away with totally different observations. When watching the Cap fight, because of the lighting and quick cuts, it highlights how few punches and kicks actually connect and looks incredibly phony and has little impact. The dark lighting in Batman V Superman helps hide some of that.
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Ape Agitator posted:She kind of is reinvented to be brooding and dark. The universe is presented to be unaware of the existence of naturally super powered people. But it kind of is since Suicide Squad has a person on fire and a crocodile in it so I have no idea if they're less remarkable because they're lab experiments or something. But the existence of The Flash and Aquaman are such closely guarded secrets that they're only revealed via Lex and his infinite global reach. Wonder Woman's previous exploits are unknown it seems and her photograph kind of subdues her costume with a coat. Huh, who would have thought?
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