Google Butt posted:

lmao if these dumbass gaming "journalists" don't write a piece on this slimy this change. you suck rear end and don't deserve to make a living doing what you do

AP posted:

T.G. Xarbala posted:

alf_pogs posted:

someone get the accc on the blower cuz this poo poo is mental ha ha haaaa

alf_pogs posted:

someone get the accc on the blower cuz this poo poo is mental ha ha haaaa

G0RF posted:

Chris is going to have to make a hard, hard choice here. To commit fully to Squadron 42's completion probably means throwing bad money after worse. If cash grows harder and harder to come by, and the competition delivers something impossible to beat, the money he spends to complete it will come at the expense of the vehicle that flew him so very, very high. The one that most of his financiers wanted. The one that offers him the better chance of continued employment.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

NEW TOS

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4njwmo/new_tos/
http://pastebin.com/bmgXMxtV

derek smart DEREK SMART DEREK SMART

Streetroller posted:

So up until about 2 hours ago when I read the new ToS I was supporting Star Citizen.

Truth be told, I'm not a Derek fan... and I have a significant investment in Star Citizen...

But with all the recent events of finding out I'm being labeled, the plagiarism, this new ToS made me genuinely angry.
I don't believe that the ToS is legal, because it's worded as a "Contract" with the new indefinite clause in it.

That's a perpetuity contract, I'm pretty sure... and not legal here in the States.
Anyone know a good lawyer?

SomethingJones posted:

That's from the latest AtV, posted yesterday.

Of course cultists don't pay any attention to what the devs are actually saying, they just "read between the lines", skip to the stuff where Ben talks about Dreams, and then make poo poo up.

Listen to what the devs are saying, look at the videos from every single patch that's been released for 2.4 (all 19 of them), look at the screenshots... I mean goons aren't making this stuff up, it's right there for everyone to see.

Senior staff leaving, art people leaving, 60 odd vacancies on their company site for the entirety of 2016, terms of service being changed, a AUS$40,000 refund a few days ago, stolen artwork, cancelled E3 appearance, Star Marine touted for a year and then vanishing, paid for ships overdue by years, broken engine, broken networking, obsolete and broken patching system...

And the really hosed up part is that's just the stuff that's out in the open - and it isn't even the half of it.

What else is there?

Fake funding chart
Ex-employees on the record about everything from nepotism to racism
Customer service reps lying about chargebacks being fraud
Customer service tagging users based on off-site activity
Customer service stalking users social media
The company director pleading for tier one devs on a youtube video before loving off on holiday
Company premises and equipment used for the boss's wife's fledgling film career
Mocap studios and equipment bought and paid for yet sitting redundant and unused
Ben Lesnick, Developer


And that's still not even the half of the stuff that's out in the open. Feel free to chime in with more, maybe we should make a list. And the fact that there's more and it's worse, but it can't be spoken about in the open without loving up someone's career and life puts this whole thing beyond BEYOND hosed.

There is no game coming out of this, EVER. It couldn't be more hosed if its name was Fucko McFucked, born to Mr. and Mrs. Tits-gently caress McFuckyface

SomethingJones posted:

It couldn't be more hosed if its name was Fucko McFucked, born to Mr. and Mrs. Tits-gently caress McFuckyface

XK posted:

When Derek told us most of the resources were being diverted, many of us said it seemed like a really bad idea. SC was clearly the cash cow, and what everybody wanted. Now, after throwing 6 months of front burner development into the SQ42 black hole, the whole project looks like it needs to be tossed, including all that expensive mocap. To release SQ42 at this point would be more embarrassing than not releasing it. And now SC has fallen even farther behind, and for what?

CIG just telegraphed their total collapse with this ToS.

Dante80 posted:

Lets see if I get this straight..



The minute you come anywhere close to this TOS, you are hosed. Happy foruming...<3



You will only get the small "unearned" portion of the money you gave us back if we roll over and die. By that time, we will have "earned" all portions of your money anyway via trying not to die, so you get nothing.



You agree that if the game you have originally pledged for is not a glorified single player FMV movie with 0 gameplay, you get no money back.





Did you buy something on the grey market? gently caress you, twas a gift. No refunds.

- Fine, I'll melt the fucker and then ask for a refund. Store credit yo.

- Too late, we have refactored the database to account for that and track if the credit came from gifted assets. Happy summer holidays, Br0wnHornet <3

TTerrible posted:

It's the middle of the night. You wake with a start, hearing a crash downstairs.

Is it an intruder? Was it a dream?

You creep out of bed to the top of the stairs. You can hear shuffling and animalistic grunting down in the darkness. You grab table lamp as an improvised weapon, flick the lights on and charge down the stairs.

In the middle of the kitchen you see a middle aged german man with a sharks grin. He is naked, squatting over a pile of money and masturbating furiously.

"NOOOOO REEFUNNDSSS" he bellows. You drop to your knees. "What about the pledge?" you ask. "PRO RATA PARI PASSU!" he screams as he reaches his vile climax. The money is soiled. The air is filled with a sulphurous reek. The lights go out. You feel hot breath on your neck. "Landing successful."

lazorexplosion posted:

That means they could even try to say any alpha version they currently have fulfills the TOS, we're done here no refunds you got the game and/or your pledge item, the game just differs from how we described it, you agreed to this.

TTerrible posted:

You may not like Derek, but coming here asking for help with a refund is an admission that he is completely and utterly right and always has been. I hope that in time you stop shooting the messenger and turn that dislike towards people that deserve it in Cloud Imperium.

Danakir posted:

People really shouldn't let their dislike of any given individual supersede what their basic common sense is telling them regardless. In the end, the ones with a monetary stake in this shitshow ain't Derek.

Also that new ToS is abhorrent and morally reprehensible. Disgusting.

XK posted:

What the gently caress? Are you supposed to see by leaning out the side?

TTerrible posted:

You may not like Derek, but coming here asking for help with a refund is an admission that he is completely and utterly right and always has been. I hope that in time you stop shooting the messenger and turn that dislike towards people that deserve it in Cloud Imperium.

G0RF posted:

Repeat Offenders: The Dialogue Continues

A conversation continues between a backer planning to leave and another encouraging him to reconsider.

It's noteworthy to me for its civility. This brief excerpt touches on a popular topic here - the toxic community - but honestly I found the whole exchange interesting.

The toxic community is not an accident, nor was it inevitable. Warnings were raised here and elsewhere yet were ignored. Instead, CIG spent a good part of the last year watering its weeds and tearing out flowers and here we are...


(Link above for the rest.)

Chalks posted:

Ah give him a break, someone can be right and also an rear end at the same time.

It's always been a bizarre aspect of the Star Citizen cultists - that they think insulting Derek would somehow offend critics of CIG. Most of the time we probably agree with them - doesn't make the game any less of a shitshow though!

Jobbo_Fett posted:

But if I don't hate Derek Smart all the time then... does that make me a troll?