How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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Remain - Keep Britane Strong! | 328 | 15.40% | |
Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! | 115 | 5.40% | |
Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy | 506 | 23.76% | |
Leave - But only because the EU is terrible | 157 | 7.37% | |
Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea | 61 | 2.86% | |
I'm not going to vote | 19 | 0.89% | |
I'm not allowed to vote | 411 | 19.30% | |
Pissflaps | 533 | 25.02% | |
Total: | 2130 votes |
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PT6A posted:I can think of some from the 20th century that had plenty of charisma, but you'd not want your country led by them i think we should wait till chilcot before passing judgement
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:29 |
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# ? Apr 27, 2024 17:46 |
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The guy in blue had no neck
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:29 |
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Pissflaps posted:You should have gone for Hitler. e: by effectiveness I mean that at least he managed to get to power, unlike the Gracchus who were offed before they had the chance to get anything done e2: Gort posted:Any left-wing leader would get the same treatment Corbyn would. They're not against him, they're against the idea of the Labour party being left-wing. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jun 30, 2016 |
# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:30 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It is fine to ignore the referendum result, it should never have been put to a referendum in the first place. That's hardly a huge gain per capita. And again, it's still smaller than it was under Thatcher.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:30 |
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Pissflaps posted:it's clear that public sector employment went up a lot under Blair and Brown What's "a lot" to you? It went from 20.1% as a percentage of total employment in 1999 to 20.3% in 2008.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:30 |
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Bryter posted:What's "a lot" to you? It went from 20.1% as a percentage of total employment in 1999 to 20.3% in 2008. 700,000 people.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:32 |
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Pissflaps posted:700,000 people. It's fractions of a percent. Hardly indicative of an ideological commitment to a strong public sector.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:35 |
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It is loving painful that the left are even entertaining ignoring the result. gently caress the tories to death but at least they have the grace and respect to admit what a hideous slippery slope to fascism that would be. I'm beginning to think that all that will come of brexit is we won't elect our MEPs any more, and those appointed will have to use the visitor parking spaces in Brussels. Brexit delivered.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:35 |
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Have you guys considered having HM and her family and the feudal lords and stuff run the country for a while? Maybe just a few years to sort things out? Democracy isn't turning out well for your people. You're using it to do yourself harm, maybe it should be taken away for your own good?
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:36 |
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jiggerypokery posted:It is loving painful that the left are even entertaining ignoring the result. gently caress the tories to death but at least they have the grace and respect to admit what a hideous slippery slope to fascism that would be. I'm beginning to think that all that will come of brexit is we won't elect our MEPs any more, and those appointed will have to use the visitor parking spaces in Brussels. Brexit delivered. Isn't that what the tories are doing right now? There isn't going to be a compromised solution. They won't be able to paint it as something different.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:37 |
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Reminder that "public sector employee" can and does include people employed by private companies
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:38 |
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Jose posted:the amount of voters itt who think its fine to ignore the referendum result bothers me It was non-binding and ultimately the riots would be worth it. But then again I never said I democracy was a good thing. The people chose something stupid and bad for the country and going through with it just because of democracy is not a smart or even ethical thing to do. Maybe this will be a prime example for future school children when asked why democracy isn't a perfect system. The real issue with this referendum is that there was an objectively bad choice. And it was picked. If ever there was a time to be undemocratic it is now.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:39 |
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Which part of it?
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:39 |
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hakimashou posted:Have you guys considered having HM and her family and the feudal lords and stuff run the country for a while? Maybe just a few years to sort things out? you're not the boss of me we can stop whenever we want *declares another referendum on whether to replace tap water with human blood*
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:39 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Reminder that "public sector employee" can and does include people employed by private companies Thanks, PPP!
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:39 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Reminder that "public sector employee" can and does include people employed by private companies For those who are interested the definitions are here: http://webarchive.nationalarchives....cess/index.html Mostly it's about quangos counting as public, don't expect anything too salacious.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:40 |
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hakimashou posted:Have you guys considered having HM and her family and the feudal lords and stuff run the country for a while? Maybe just a few years to sort things out? Good idea. We'll get right on it.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:40 |
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hakimashou posted:Have you guys considered having HM and her family and the feudal lords and stuff run the country for a while? Maybe just a few years to sort things out? the queens extended family includes both david cameron and boris johnson
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:40 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Reminder that "public sector employee" can and does include people employed by private companies The stats I'm looking at have a fun footnote quote:Lloyds Banking Group plc is included in the public sector from December 2008 to December 2013 but in the private sector for earlier and subsequent periods.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:43 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:Excerpts from Theresa May's leadership campaign launch speech: http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/06/theresa-mays-launch-statement-full-text.html i note she only said 'services' and not 'financial services' are the tories really going to throw the city under a bus for less freedom of movement ? assuming that's even an option
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:43 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:If ever there was a time to be undemocratic it is now. This is probably true, but there is never a time to be undemocratic. You can't cherry pick and ignore it when it doesn't go the way it should. Not having a referendum was the correct path. Not gonna quote Churchill but yeah...
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:44 |
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I'd say it's less that democracy is a problem and more that rich people own all the media and use it to spread racist propaganda leading to poor people voting against their own best interests. So it's more that money is inherently anti-democratic. One man one vote, but I get a giant megaphone that reaches millions of people and you get to cup your hands and shout.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:45 |
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Metrication posted:are the tories really going to throw the city under a bus for less freedom of movement ? assuming that's even an option They can't if they want to join the EEA. The EU made that final and only option to access the single market.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:45 |
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MrFlibble posted:If I was in a voting booth and my choice was liberal democrat, ukip or tory i'd spoil my ballot.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:48 |
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Miruvor posted:Isn't that what the tories are doing right now? There isn't going to be a compromised solution. They won't be able to paint it as something different. What confuses me is why Theresa May has doubled down on the "we will have access to the single market but not free movement" bandwagon. There's no referendum to win, the people voting for her presumably know the claim is bullshit - why set yourself up for an obvious fail?
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:48 |
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Bryter posted:The stats I'm looking at have a fun footnote I'm not sure why the Pissflaps Graph quotes the OECD given that the ONS makes the figures available but there we are jiggerypokery posted:This is probably true, but there is never a time to be undemocratic. You can't cherry pick and ignore it when it doesn't go the way it should. Not having a referendum was the correct path. Not gonna quote Churchill but yeah... 9 people voting to murder the 10th is a pretty good time to be undemocratic. It turns out to be quite easy - for someone with sufficient money - to influence a certain amount of public opinion. One of the main problems of the Blairist focus group driven politics is that it creates a positive feedback system - you move your policies to respond to what people are telling you, so those telling the people what to think shift the message further along. It's no coincidence that Blair's policies shifted rightwards - a lot of very good things were done early on in Labour's first term under him, but that number fell incredibly drastically as the party drifted position.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:50 |
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Gort posted:I'd say it's less that democracy is a problem and more that rich people own all the media and use it to spread racist propaganda leading to people voting against their own best interests. Yarp. People are far more suggestible than our legal and democratic system are designed to cope with. I don't think this is the thread to get into free will and all that, but I like to think that the age of the free-will illusion will be looked back upon with marvel and pity one day.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:51 |
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lmao okay which one of you did this
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:52 |
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Mister Adequate posted:lmao okay which one of you did this This programme also provides a useful illustration of Sarah Vine's "sex with Michael Gove" article https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dqxZo_myyA
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:54 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:9 people voting to murder the 10th is a pretty good time to be undemocratic. What is 52% of 9?
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:55 |
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jiggerypokery posted:What is 52% of 9? 4.68?
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:55 |
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That wasn't a referendum metaphor it was a hyperbolic example
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:56 |
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Also in general if anyone wants anyone to check primary sources on statistics and things like that I love that poo poo so drop me a pm
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:57 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:That wasn't a referendum metaphor it was a hyperbolic example If there's one thing we've learned today, its that two things mentioned together must always be compared to eachother. No matter what.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:58 |
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I enjoy your stats so please keep posting. And I used to liase with TNA so was nice to see again(yes, ex-public servant). But i'm not going to thank you for the Gove/Pob Sex Tape before bed.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:58 |
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Democracy isn't always good. It tends to enjoy making GBS threads on minorities, as evidenced by the history of literally any minority group. It is also not final. You can vote on something again if circumstances change, there is no rule that every issue only gets one vote ever.
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# ? Jun 30, 2016 23:59 |
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The thread Referendum has delivered a win for Pissflaps by a slim margin, who has delivered a Brexit deferral plan involving an Adele/Elton John duet. Under FPTP rules, this represents the will of the entire thread. I look forward to hearing more about it. Time to leave this trash fire of a Month in the past and look ahead to our glorious future with PM May and Brexit negotiations and the collapse of an opposition cabinet. We're living history in the making folks. And most of history is Good and Cool, right? New thread here!
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:01 |
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# ? Apr 27, 2024 17:46 |
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Guavanaut posted:The thread Referendum has delivered a win for Pissflaps by a slim margin, who has delivered a Brexit deferral plan involving an Adele/Elton John duet. As Mod I am charged with enacting the will of the people, however because I don't want to I may just change the poll results and claim the will of the people has now been heard. Edit: Also this post is super late and a mistake to even make. This satire writes itself.
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# ? Jul 6, 2016 09:12 |