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Kashuno posted:This is a stretch imo *sidestep into jokephase* izzhov did ask MMT, she who will never be trusted in Shine games, for backup on her case. *real talk* Izzhov is, for no other reason than GLOWKU'S INSISTENCE, saying that we lynch Jimson, only so that we can get a 2-for-1 deal. There's not really much more discussion on Jimson's scumminess, that's why if Jimson flips town Izzhov says we immediately flip Glowku the next day, because nothing else is relevant. That...is horrendously scummy. Maybe when you're approaching LYLO a strategy like that could be feasible, but in a 33-man on D1 it's the absolute scummiest perspective a player could have for lynching strategy.
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I think it's horrible, sure, but scummy? Idk.
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Oct 23, 2016 15:53
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Kashuno posted:I think it's horrible, sure, but scummy? Idk. It's true, I've made some pretty terrible arguments as town. At the risk of agreeing with MMT, Quid did probably roll scum this game which should be a lot of fun to see. His opening post is practically identical to the last League game where he was the 3P serial killer.
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Oct 23, 2016 15:56
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Re: Zimbo's posts, he made exactly the same sort of posts in his last (first?) game he played - and he was pretty much spot on in the scum he picked out. He just likes to explain very clearly I think.
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Oct 23, 2016 15:56
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DickBastardly posted:poo poo, the town Infi I know said it's hard to be anything but a lazy assjackal D1. You, as town infi, admitted to being a lazy assjackal D1 in another game and are basing your case on the fact that a player is being a lazy assjackal this game.... consistent much? Doesn't read my post before my case outlining non-assjackal play. Calls me lazy. Is pushing a dialogue that fits his narrative instead. Is non-town aligned player Dickbastardly. DrJeckyllTobacco posted:Re: Zimbo's posts, he made exactly the same sort of posts in his last (first?) game he played - and he was pretty much spot on in the scum he picked out. He just likes to explain very clearly I think. Wish I had a fairy scum father looking out for me with meta reads based on past play.
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Oct 23, 2016 15:59
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Infinitum posted:Doesn't read my post before my case outlining non-assjackal play. Uhhhh, I'm not a fairy or your scum daddy but I'm not feeling a finny vote this game. We were town in the last game we played together and we crushed it and I'm pretty sure this is the same Infinitum. There was pressure on you there, and I pushed it off you then. A looooooot of my reads are meta, and while it gets me strung up like 90% of the time, I'm rarely wrong. This is town Infinitum. If saying that gets me lynched, well, at least I'm vanilla! Just don't agree with me on anything it gives me the willies.
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Oct 23, 2016 16:06
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Just don't agree with me on anything it gives me the willies. I agree with you that I am town Inf Want to touch my willy now?
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Oct 23, 2016 16:07
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Infinitum posted:Look. Look at this post. I thought Tobbs had voted Jim after the "scum slip" which is why I made my first point, which I admitted was not a good one after he corrected the fallacy of my statement, which I'm glad he did. My second point about my perception of Kash's point is still valid. I was sure Tobbs had voted Jim after the "scum slip", but indeed I was mistaken, take that how you will, it was just an honest mistake. Trust me, I know how honest mistakse can generate a lot of heat, which is why I unvoted Jim after his emotionally charged effort post in his defense... which I'm still not sure wasn't just some play at my psyche. One thing I know about Jim from playing with him on his scum team is that he knows how to play the player, and he knows how to wriggle himself out of the heat. I'm a little suss of him tbh. Infinitum posted:Doesn't read my post before my case outlining non-assjackal play. I didn't call you lazy this game. I said you admitted to lazy play on D1 as your MO (in another game you said this). I'm not sure what dialog I missed, and maybe I'm tunneling. I think I have a problem doing that when I'm town, i don't know.
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Oct 23, 2016 16:08
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Kashuno posted:I think it's horrible, sure, but scummy? Idk. This is the flagpole I'm currently saluting. It seems... excessively bold to go for a scum to go for a chain lynch right out of the gate? Correct me if I'm diving for pearls in an outhouse.
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Oct 23, 2016 16:17
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Drunk Nerds posted:This is the flagpole I'm currently saluting. It seems... excessively bold to go for a scum to go for a chain lynch right out of the gate? Correct me if I'm diving for pearls in an outhouse. Nah I agree with you
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Oct 23, 2016 16:19
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I'm not ready to vote infi, but I must say there's something that feels a bit off about how he approached agreeing with me wrt zimbo
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Oct 23, 2016 16:36
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Just don't agree with me on anything it gives me the willies. got some chores tonight posted:k i dont want to vote w/ infi so maybe i dont like zimb ne more Jonathan Fisk posted:I'm not ready to vote infi, but I must say there's something that feels a bit off about how he approached agreeing with me wrt zimbo lol
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Oct 23, 2016 16:40
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Oct 23, 2016 16:48
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Methinks Zimbo is a good bet for the lynch today me lads.
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Oct 23, 2016 16:49
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No doubt but I wouldn't mind someone day vigging you
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Oct 23, 2016 16:51
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Jonathan Fisk posted:No doubt but I wouldn't mind someone day vigging you Wow ok.  My birthday wish is for someone to dayvig zimbomonkey
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Oct 23, 2016 17:02
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I don't know Jimson or glowku's alignment, but izzhov is advocating a scenario that "guarantees" a lynch of glowku if jimson is town. The only flaw with this argument is that I did (and do) think Glowku was soft-claiming N0 (or perhaps D1) cop, just like chores said earlier. That's why I dismissed counterarguments based on setup spec (since setup spec isn't as strong as a role claim), as well as counterarguments that Glowku's just not being sincere (and hell, Glowku himself even directly responded to someone claiming he was insincere with - and I quote - "gently caress you"!). People who think Glowku's being insincere - what would he have to say for you to no longer doubt his sincerity? Nothing less than a blatant full roleclaim?
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Oct 23, 2016 17:11
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Izzhov posted:The only flaw with this argument is that I did (and do) think Glowku was soft-claiming N0 (or perhaps D1) cop, just like chores said earlier. That's why I dismissed counterarguments based on setup spec (since setup spec isn't as strong as a role claim), as well as counterarguments that Glowku's just not being sincere (and hell, Glowku himself even directly responded to someone claiming he was insincere with - and I quote - "gently caress you"!). I just didn't think he was being very serious about his "I bet my life" statement, more of a joke. So I thought it odd that someone would take that ball and run with it
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Oct 23, 2016 17:14
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Drunk Nerds posted:I just didn't think he was being very serious about his "I bet my life" statement, more of a joke. So I thought it odd that someone would take that ball and run with it Fine, but in that case you should answer the question at the end of the post you just quoted. I'm basing my own vote on the fact that in every past Mafia game I've played where this situation has come up, going along with the claimer, then using the flip to inform our next action, has always ended up being the optimal play.
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Oct 23, 2016 17:17
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Izzhov posted:The only flaw with this argument is that I did (and do) think Glowku was soft-claiming N0 (or perhaps D1) cop, just like chores said earlier. That's why I dismissed counterarguments based on setup spec (since setup spec isn't as strong as a role claim), as well as counterarguments that Glowku's just not being sincere (and hell, Glowku himself even directly responded to someone claiming he was insincere with - and I quote - "gently caress you"!). Because if he unequivocally had a scum result he could just claim it he can just claim it and start the game off on the right foot. He doesn't, there was no N0, and that's where we are.
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Oct 23, 2016 17:32
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Kashuno posted:Because if he unequivocally had a scum result he could just claim it he can just claim it and start the game off on the right foot. He doesn't, there was no N0, and that's where we are. I interpreted his bet as a (soft) role claim (which I'd assumed he was flavor-breadcrumbing with all the gambling posts he made earlier), but ok. We'll wait to see what he says when he returns to the thread.
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Izzhov posted:I interpreted his bet as a (soft) role claim (which I'd assumed he was flavor-breadcrumbing with all the gambling posts he made earlier), but ok. We'll wait to see what he says when he returns to the thread. Has anyone played a game where you had a choice in doing an action night 0? Seems kinda Unfun to run the possibility that the game hasn't started for players, but that already one of them has been outed due to N0 stuff? I don't know though, this whole N0 concept is new to me
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Oct 23, 2016 17:41
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Kashuno posted:how is a gambler a cop Flavor spec is literally the most useless possible line of discussion, but I'll take a stab: a good gambler has a knack for reading people.
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Drunk Nerds posted:Has anyone played a game where you had a choice in doing an action night 0? Seems kinda Unfun to run the possibility that the game hasn't started for players, but that already one of them has been outed due to N0 stuff? I don't know though, this whole N0 concept is new to me I've never played a game with a night 0. But: day actions are a thing too, and were actually very prominent in Shine I.
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Izzhov posted:Flavor spec is literally the most useless possible line of discussion Izzhov posted:which I'd assumed he was flavor-breadcrumbing with all the gambling posts he made earlier ?????????????????
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Kashuno posted:????????????????? Well, the main point of breadcrumbing if you're a cop is so that people can go back through your posts after you've left the game to figure out what your reads were, so presumably by that point flavor questions about your role wouldn't be an issue.
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Oct 23, 2016 17:47
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Mayor Glowku posted:Joke phase is over. I just have a very fun power for once Glowku is not a cop. He is a gambler and has some kind of shine power that's related to betting (or at least that's his claim). Why are you (Izzhov) clinging to the assertion that he soft-claimed cop? Even if that were true (which sounds extremely unlikely), sharing that conclusion openly and unabashedly with practically zero pressure on yourself is, like, climbing scum mountain and carving your name into it.
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Oct 23, 2016 17:59
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Glowku is not a cop. He is a gambler and has some kind of shine power that's related to betting (or at least that's his claim). I just didn't see any other reason why he would assert so hard/with so much confidence that Jimson was scum that he was willing to lay down his mafia life for it, and not back down even after a lot of people claimed he was joking (which, again, he literally said "gently caress you" to someone who said he was joking). I was further emboldened when chores (who had the game-winning read in Shine I) backed me up on it.
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Izzhov posted:I just didn't see any other reason why he would assert so hard/with so much confidence that Jimson was scum that he was willing to lay down his mafia life for it, and not back down even after a lot of people claimed he was joking (which, again, he literally said "gently caress you" to someone who said he was joking). I was further emboldened when chores (who had the game-winning read in Shine I) backed me up on it. lmao glowku trolling you so hard it's amazing
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Oct 23, 2016 18:09
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Wanna hear more from people with sub-20 posts
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got some chores tonight posted:glowku is soft claiming cop is the reason On that note, I see that you're right, chores did do the same thing. Guys, tell me if I'm wrong here. If you get an N0 or D1 cop, or are a cop, and you have a positive investigation result, is proper play not to IMMEDIATELY HARDCLAIM IT??? What are you going to do, strike gold a second time before you die? No, probably not. Come on guys. At least now I know why chores isn't making GBS threads up the thread. Two big names carved into scum mountain.
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I love you chores  But yeah, if you're town and you think someone might be a cop, what is your thought process? "I think it would be super helpful to share this with town, as it's very important that everyone know who our potential cops are! Yay I am good town!!!" No. No no no. The only players who MIGHT do this are scum, because they forget that if they think someone might be a cop, it is ESSENTIAL to keep those suspicions to their GODDAMN SELVES because scum's job is to find cops and KILL THEM.
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If N0 cop and you find a scum, or non-town, you should tell the class D1. If N0 cop and you do NOT find scum, or non-town, you should keep that poo poo to yourself until you have actual results to share. Being able to clear someone is useful, but painting a massive target on your back just because you found town is counter-productive.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I love you chores This makes sense but it also seems to contradict your statement that if Glowku is cop with positive result, he should hardclaim?
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Izzhov posted:This makes sense but it also seems to contradict your statement that if Glowku is cop with positive result, he should hardclaim? If anyone is ever a cop with a positive result, hardclaim that poo poo IMMEDIATELY. I never have, nor ever will say anything that contradicts that. If I see a mod doc where a cop had a positive investigation result N1 and he dies N2 I will never, ever let him live it down.
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Oct 23, 2016 18:17
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I'm actually 10 cops. But they're all fat, lazy, and drunk.
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Oct 23, 2016 18:18
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Detective Williams had everything he needed. It was a long, grueling night of work, but it paid off. Everything fit. The blood spatter report, the DNA evidence, everything. He put everything into the file, slipped it into his drawer, and went home for the night, confident that the killer would be brought in. The next day, he went to work. He drank his coffee and took his morning poo poo. He slept through a meeting, chatted with his coworkers, and the file sat where he put it. He went home that night, tucked himself in, and the very man whose name was written on the file snuck into his home, slit his throat, and murdered his family. The file was never found. GEEEEEET IIIIIIITTTT??????
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Detective Williams had everything he needed. It was a long, grueling night of work, but it paid off. Everything fit. The blood spatter report, the DNA evidence, everything. He put everything into the file, slipped it into his drawer, and went home for the night, confident that the killer would be brought in. This made me laugh, hard. Also pretty convincing. ##unvote at least until we get another chance to hear The Mayor Himself's take on all this.
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