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Arturo Ui posted:I'll point you to the Josie doorknob scene for lovely effects in the original series. Or some absurd looking compositing where an owl was overlaid on BOBs face. On the Idle Thumbs crew's Twin Peaks Rewatch podcast from a few years back (very very good btw), they make the point that Lynch probably doesn't care how realistic things like that look, that's it's the idea of the thing that is important to him.
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regulargonzalez posted:Or some absurd looking compositing where an owl was overlaid on BOBs face. Oh God all the owl scenes in the original were Birdemic-level bad, I am not one to complain about VFX but holy poo poo. (I don't think Lynch directed any of those episodes though)
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regulargonzalez posted:Or some absurd looking compositing where an owl was overlaid on BOBs face.  It looks like Bob's face was run through that Deep Dream app. It's totally surreal and perfect for the kind of atmosphere Lynch is going for.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I've always read it as a broader concept about the way we lie to ourselves about our real lives. You can say, well, I have [x] anxiety about my life, and then you distance yourself from it, ignore it, and perhaps engage in destructive behavior as a result. But it's still there, whether you like it or not, and eventually it'll get you because your life is more real than your perception of your life. It's basically just Persona. They even both have a red room / velvet room.
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Agreed that Lynch has always pushed fourth-wall boundaries, and thanks for reminding me of some of the more practically-driven FX moments that have done that. I guess what I'm reacting to is a feeling that there was a time when I would have put enough trust in him as a storyteller and aestheticist to deliver in spite of or in harmony with those jarring moments, whereas now, at least for the first four hours of this show, it feels like the scale has been tipped. I'm too distracted by how bad Cooper looks zipping around in space to really care where he ends up. I promise I'm not just making GBS threads for the sake of making GBS threads, there were a lot of moments that I really enjoyed in those first four hours, but I am let down that nearly 25% into the new series there is no discernible narrative thrust other than the Log Lady's "something is missing and only you can find it." The most engaging part for me so far is Albert and Cole's investigation.
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May 23, 2017 22:18
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1000 umbrellas posted:Not hearing/reading anyone react to the deplorable CG and green screening except for some "that's so Lynch!" here and there. I disagree. Lynch's capacity for the surreal and even the exaggerated has always been upheld by strong, believable special effects, starting with the baby in Eraserhead and extending through some of the most violent scenes in his oeuvre. My take is that the effects looked so "bad" on purpose, because it makes them more unsettling and dreamlike. When something looks "believable", that kinda defeats the point of being shown something that Should Not Be
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:The FB group delivers once again: That facebook group sure is wacky PoshAlligator posted:Lynch has been watching too many memes. Couldn't help but think of this when watching, so I made the dumb thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drz6MNUigMU
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And More posted:That facebook group sure is wacky  Of course some of it isn't gonna come from them
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1000 umbrellas posted:I promise I'm not just making GBS threads for the sake of making GBS threads, there were a lot of moments that I really enjoyed in those first four hours, but I am let down that nearly 25% into the new series there is no discernible narrative thrust other than the Log Lady's "something is missing and only you can find it." The most engaging part for me so far is Albert and Cole's investigation. I see where you're coming from; nothing in this new series compares to the original's "who killed Laura Palmer" hook. That was, as Lynch said, the goose that laid the golden eggs: it was something so simple and relatable but it opened up endless narrative possibilities as the impact and investigation probed into every dark corner of the town. The narrative thrust of this season is actually pretty simple too, being Cooper's struggle to take back his life after so long in dream-space, but that's narrower and seems like its intentionally being delivered in a way that keeps us at arm's length. After all, it would be supremely easy for anybody to write a traditional cat-and-mouse game between Good Cooper and Evil Impostor Cooper as a simple allegory for the duality of man. But Lynch is doing this story in a way we couldn't have expected and haven't seen a million times before, for better or worse.
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Lord Krangdar posted:I see where you're coming from; nothing in this new series compares to the original's "who killed Laura Palmer" hook. That was, as Lynch said, the goose that laid the golden eggs: it was something so simple and relatable but it opened up endless narrative possibilities as the impact and investigation probed into every dark corner of the town. The narrative thrust of this season is actually pretty simple too, being Cooper's struggle to take back his life after so long in dream-space, but that's narrower and seems like its intentionally being delivered in a way that keeps us at arm's length. After all, it would be supremely easy for anybody to write a traditional cat-and-mouse game between Good Cooper and Evil Impostor Cooper as a simple allegory for the duality of man. But Lynch is doing this story in a way we couldn't have expected and haven't seen a million times before, for better or worse. I legitimately think the meta-narrative is "You can't go back to your past" and Lynch is just self-reflecting his life and career and growing old and being near death through a prism of the TV show that made him a household name.
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I'm getting a real kick out of analyzing the Secret History book for hints as to what the glass box monster was and what the big malevolent force above BOB might be. The book makes mention of "mother" a few times, consistent with what implied was banging on the window in episode 3. There's also this cool/creepy account of Aleister Crowley trying to summon the "moonchild" and that the Roswell alien incident happened right after. I think we'll get more name drops of this mother entity as the season goes on.
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JazzFlight posted:I'm getting a real kick out of analyzing the Secret History book for hints as to what the glass box monster was and what the big malevolent force above BOB might be. Oh man I hope we get a time traveling Aleister Crowley in this season
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Alright, well credit goes to PoshAlligator then. The FB group is just where I see most of this stuff because they post TP-related stuff all day long I just thought it was funny that you didn't notice the meme when it was posted in your own thread.  Anyway, that scene is hilarious to me, even without the music. The rotten potato on a tree yelling "non-exist-ent" and Cooper's comical expression crack me up. The falling-part itself is actually somewhat graceful, but then Coop's landing just looks goofy because of his flailing and the indifferent wide shot. edit: That was the wrong word. And More fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 23, 2017 |
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1000 umbrellas posted:I promise I'm not just making GBS threads for the sake of making GBS threads, there were a lot of moments that I really enjoyed in those first four hours, but I am let down that nearly 25% into the new series there is no discernible narrative thrust other than the Log Lady's "something is missing and only you can find it." The most engaging part for me so far is Albert and Cole's investigation. lynch loves super slow pacing so i'm not suprised that the first four eps don't set everything up and get everything moving like a traditional show
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Lord Krangdar posted:Is The Arm's new form mean to be a tree? I assumed it was a disembodied nervous system, like in this one scene from Watchmen: I thought it looked a lot like the dead sycamores in Glastonbury Grove
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Lord Krangdar posted:Is The Arm's new form mean to be a tree? I assumed it was a disembodied nervous system, like in this one scene from Watchmen: Yes to both
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Alright, well credit goes to PoshAlligator then. The FB group is just where I see most of this stuff because they post TP-related stuff all day long No biggie. Look to nobody else for the dankest memes. I've only really seen pretty terrible ones.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Twin Peaks is absolutely not one of those shows where you can just jump into season 3 and hope to have any idea of what's going on. Hell, even people who have seen the entire original series, Fire Walk With Me and The Missing Pieces (basically everything you can see) have barely any idea what's going on. I'd dispute that, the second bit. This new series seems pretty straight forward in how it's characters act, it's just the premise that's completely out there. But I don't think it's that out-there that it's inscrutable. Yes the places beyond time and space inhabited by unimaginable beings are a bit crazy, but that's the nature of the beast. Some of the scenes are slow and stilted but there's always a reason for the awkwardness, be it social inadequacy or just because it's a world of hosed up hitmen. The only thing that's been weird for the sake of it is the Michael Cera bit and maybe that was shoved in there for that reason, as a bit of contrast and self-parody. I didn't much like the other murder plot at first watch but on second it's really great. It's taking the reality of stuff that went on in the original series and putting it into a modern drama setting. There's nothing in the show that's weird for the sake of it, it's just a show about intelligent beings from another incomprehensible world interacting with our own and the consequences of that on people. I think you can quite easily sum up the plot so far in less than a paragraph and have it make total sense, even if it's dealing with bizarre elements. Going into episode five I know who the characters are, what their motives are and what could possibly happen. It's The Idiot versus Iago in a battle to exist, or maybe reunite into a whole again, with a backdrop of the rest of the world trying to deal with their responsibility to that outrageous situation.
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precision posted:I feel really stupid because I just now got that the missing bunnies wasn't just a joke Wait, what?
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Modrasone posted:I'd dispute that, the second bit. This new series seems pretty straight forward in how it's characters act, it's just the premise that's completely out there. But I don't think it's that out-there that it's inscrutable. Yes the places beyond time and space inhabited by unimaginable beings are a bit crazy, but that's the nature of the beast. Some of the scenes are slow and stilted but there's always a reason for the awkwardness, be it social inadequacy or just because it's a world of hosed up hitmen. The only thing that's been weird for the sake of it is the Michael Cera bit and maybe that was shoved in there for that reason, as a bit of contrast and self-parody. I didn't much like the other murder plot at first watch but on second it's really great. It's taking the reality of stuff that went on in the original series and putting it into a modern drama setting. There's nothing in the show that's weird for the sake of it, it's just a show about intelligent beings from another incomprehensible world interacting with our own and the consequences of that on people. I mostly agree with you but how the characters act around Dougie-Cooper, as if he's not acting completely brain-dead, is weird in a whole different way than the rest and its hard to understand the motivations of anyone in that plot-line. Its like something out of Beavis and Butthead, where most strangers who meet them tend to give them the benefit of the doubt no matter how stupid they are or how far they go.
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Lord Krangdar posted:I mostly agree with you but how the characters act around Dougie-Cooper, as if he's not acting completely brain-dead, is weird in a whole different way than the rest and its hard to understand the motivations of anyone in that plot-line. Its like something out of Beavis and Butthead, where most strangers who meet them tend to give them the benefit of the doubt no matter how stupid they are or how far they go. Dougie's wife and Jade act pretty weird, yes, but the way the casino people treat him is 100% true to life
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No Mods No Masters posted:Dougie's wife and Jade act pretty weird, yes, but the way the casino people treat him is 100% true to life Well they notice he's acting like he had a stroke or accident. His wife seems to not really realize anything is wrong. Could be just a weird choice, or maybe she's part of the decoy plan set up by evil Cooper too.
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Modrasone posted:I'd dispute that, the second bit. This new series seems pretty straight forward in how it's characters act, it's just the premise that's completely out there. But I don't think it's that out-there that it's inscrutable. Yes the places beyond time and space inhabited by unimaginable beings are a bit crazy, but that's the nature of the beast. Some of the scenes are slow and stilted but there's always a reason for the awkwardness, be it social inadequacy or just because it's a world of hosed up hitmen. The only thing that's been weird for the sake of it is the Michael Cera bit and maybe that was shoved in there for that reason, as a bit of contrast and self-parody. I didn't much like the other murder plot at first watch but on second it's really great. It's taking the reality of stuff that went on in the original series and putting it into a modern drama setting. There's nothing in the show that's weird for the sake of it, it's just a show about intelligent beings from another incomprehensible world interacting with our own and the consequences of that on people. Also, an unrelated technical question: I was trying to make GIFs of the show using the GIF making app I've been using for a while (Gooncam GIF Maker), but when I select an area to make a GIF of, the area that records is not the same area I selected. I'm wondering if that's because I'm running a 4K monitor now and the higher resolution is causing this weirdness. Is there a GIF making app for PC that you guys know of that works well even in higher resolutions? I tried one called Giffing Tool and that gave me the same issue (different recording area than the one I selected).
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Lord Krangdar posted:Well they notice he's acting like he had a stroke or accident. His wife seems to not really realize anything is wrong. Could be just a weird choice, or maybe she's part of the decoy plan set up by evil Cooper too. From the moment Coop left the lodge, he's had crazy good luck. Jade, the limousine driver and Dougie's wife are basically guardian angels. They don't really behave like normal people because their purpose is to protect Cooper, not to be rational. I don't think there is anything sinister going on.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I mean you could give somebody a quick plot synopsis and have it make a little sense, but people who have not seen the totality of the series will absolutely not understand a lot of the ways the show works. It's hard to convey that to someone in text. You have to have seen enough of it for yourself to draw real conclusions from it. Yeah i get you. I guess I think that if people are willing to accept that some bits are crazy supernatural weird rear end poo poo then everything else around it falls into place really well. That's why I think him emerging first with a hooker and then going into a casino is great. Two places where nobody really care what you act like as long as you're spending money. Even his wife has a motive of being overjoyed that the money he's got can get them out of some situation. It reminds me a lot of the meta commentary in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas about how you can get away with anything in places like that as long as you're playing the game. I'm hoping that our expectations get dashed on the rocks again and it turns out that the good Cooper we so wanted to see isn't the original at all, he's just as hosed up as his mirror image. A pure, stupid force for good that overcomes the odds every time via divine intervention. What are the consequences of that? What if there were two guys out there that were literally able to harness the power of good and evil? Who would want to control them? What could they do with them? Maybe the White Lodge and Black Lodge aren't what it's about, it's just that the Red Room and the other places connected to it are means by which this can happen, that they could produce a God of Dark and a God of Light and have them loose on the world. Maybe the Lodges never existed and all of the folklore and conspiracy theories going back to the year dot were just a theory that this is possible. Tremendous forces that we can't understand exist and maybe that means that pure good and pure evil aren't just concepts, they're things that could literally exist. Maybe that's what is happening.
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Modrasone posted:Yeah i get you. I guess I think that if people are willing to accept that some bits are crazy supernatural weird rear end poo poo then everything else around it falls into place really well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GHd6vavka4
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Modrasone posted:I'm hoping that our expectations get dashed on the rocks again and it turns out that the good Cooper we so wanted to see isn't the original at all, he's just as hosed up as his mirror image. A pure, stupid force for good that overcomes the odds every time via divine intervention. What are the consequences of that? What if there were two guys out there that were literally able to harness the power of good and evil? Who would want to control them? What could they do with them? Maybe the White Lodge and Black Lodge aren't what it's about, it's just that the Red Room and the other places connected to it are means by which this can happen, that they could produce a God of Dark and a God of Light and have them loose on the world. Maybe the Lodges never existed and all of the folklore and conspiracy theories going back to the year dot were just a theory that this is possible. Tremendous forces that we can't understand exist and maybe that means that pure good and pure evil aren't just concepts, they're things that could literally exist. Maybe that's what is happening. To me the interlocking dark and light zig-zags on the floor of the red room have always been a clue that there are no black or white lodges, just this dream-space which encompasses both. Which would go along with one of Lynch's main themes, which is that the good and bad in life are really inseparable. Perhaps Dale, and to a lesser extent his evil counterpart, are having so much trouble functioning because they're both two halves of a whole person. To really defeat the doppleganger Dale will have to reabsorb that side, rather than defeating it.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I like how neither the hooker nor the casino people thought him acting out of the ordinary was anything super abnormal, the hooker just thought he might've had a stroke and the casino people thought he was mentally disabled (the change lady even gave him a "bless his heart" expression when he walked away from her window). Reminded me of this: My grandmother used to go to casinos a lot, and always had insanely good luck. One time she was Mrs. Jackpots, she got a 777 jackpot 7 times, on 7 different machines, that were all next to each other. She has a picture of her standing in front of them with the casino owner or I wouldn't believe it.
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precision posted:My grandmother used to go to casinos a lot, and always had insanely good luck. One time she was Mrs. Jackpots, she got a 777 jackpot 7 times, on 7 different machines, that were all next to each other. She has a picture of her standing in front of them with the casino owner or I wouldn't believe it.
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Le Saboteur posted:Weird yeah so the Xbox one app doesn't seem to have caption capabilities but the mobile app does so if you have a chromecast you can cast it from your phone to the TV and turn on captions. Or you should be able to watch it through their website using captions. Yeah, I tried on the Android app, after it hilariously crashed thrice trying to cast, but there's no CC option like there is for other shows. Bell delanda est. esperterra posted:We get Amazon video now? Nice. Maybe it's time to resub to Prime. The selection is utter poo poo in Canada for now, though. Probably related to exclusive streaming deals, etc. etc.
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Lord Krangdar posted:. Perhaps Dale, and to a lesser extent his evil counterpart, are having so much trouble functioning because they're both two halves of a whole person. To really defeat the doppleganger Dale will have to reabsorb that side, rather than defeating it. I always thought of the black lodge a little like therapy. You usually don't choose to go there as much as you end up there as a last resort, all anyone talks about is existential crises in abstract terms, and a lot of the time you end up in conflict with some damaged aspect of yourself you didn't know was lurking around the corner. Sometime you can get stuck in there for years, accomplishing nothing.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I mean you could give somebody a quick plot synopsis and have it make a little sense, but people who have not seen the totality of the series will absolutely not understand a lot of the ways the show works. It's hard to convey that to someone in text. You have to have seen enough of it for yourself to draw real conclusions from it. Sharex is great for screenshots, gifs, webms, video etc. Might be just what you need.
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Jan posted:The selection is utter poo poo in Canada for now, though. Probably related to exclusive streaming deals, etc. etc. Yeah, Bell has the rights for pretty much everything Netflix doesn't have. I may resub anyway for their original programming, there's a few decent shows now. May wait until I want Prime to order something quick, though.
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