|
Jazerus posted:Always spawn in private. One issue is with detectives running about with thermals and nosy AI's it can be just gosh darn awful trying to figure out where you aren't being watched like a hawk. How about we share some sneaky spots between the camera systems that we know about? There used to be a secret passage in the confession booth that's probably still there in some form or another. It was always good for some light traitoring or just building a house.
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 02:25
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 12:40 |
|
|
Speaking of sneaky, once in a while when there's a new chem or when recipes change I'll random name, then creep around gathering random bullshit. Like writing "dear ai is there anyone in (whatever room has the candy machine), say something g about space weather if yes or something about yetis if no" and otherwise involve other players in my sneakiness - then holler over the radio I FIGURED IT OUT BWAHAHA and fling myself out an airlock. I'll never recapture the brilliance of The Triplepiss Incident, but I drive people nuts sometimes.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 02:32
|
|
|
PopeCrunch posted:Speaking of sneaky, once in a while when there's a new chem or when recipes change I'll random name, then creep around gathering random bullshit. Like writing "dear ai is there anyone in (whatever room has the candy machine), say something g about space weather if yes or something about yetis if no" and otherwise involve other players in my sneakiness - then holler over the radio I FIGURED IT OUT BWAHAHA and fling myself out an airlock. That was amazing, you had the chem nerds tying themselves in knots trying to figure it out. By the way, if there are people running around flinging rainbow melons at everything in sight, is it acceptable to beat the ever loving poo poo out of them? A few melons can put someone right into crit.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 02:45
|
|
|
SugarAddict posted:Emagging different things do different things. Emag an emag. Emag Beepsky with the result. Emag him again afterword.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 03:17
|
|
|
reignofevil posted:One issue is with detectives running about with thermals and nosy AI's it can be just gosh darn awful trying to figure out where you aren't being watched like a hawk. on cog1 i like the owlery, it's not a camera-free area but who is ever looking at the owlery?
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 03:20
|
|
|
Jazerus posted:on cog1 i like the owlery, it's not a camera-free area but who is ever looking at the owlery? That's pretty much the entire designed purpose of the Owlery too.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 03:50
|
|
|
You can also create your own camera-free zone by using wirecutters on security cameras. The AI will know something is up if they happen to try to look through a disabled camera, but they won't be able to see exactly what until they dispatch a human or Borg to check on it.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 05:28
|
|
|
You can also go offstation. Head to the diner or mining station, or just hop a pod and fly off somewhere. If you have air you can survive outside in a hollow asteroid for long enough to spawn your gear. People rarely even notice a pod leaving and it's no proof of anything since there's no rules against taking out a free pod that you have access to.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 06:38
|
|
|
Just don't spawn anything inside a locker, itll show up outside the locker
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 08:40
|
|
|
Nosy AIs are the absolute worst. Why would you call out a traitor spawning his gear. You are just ruining the fun for probably a whole lot of people without any reason. Now if he goes on a murder rampage with a saber and openly stabbing people, by all means feel free. Honestly when I play AI I just pick a gimmick and let the crew have their freedom. Calling out the Captain who is a massive turbonerd, stunning people and getting all the mutations in genetics is fun. Watching a dude charge in there and spray him full of anti mutadone is even more fun. Oh boy the captain was really mad.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 09:18
|
|
|
If the AI calls you out then you weren't sneaky enough. There's nothing saying the AI can't sound the horn if you're caught doing crime. Personally I would PDA them with a polite warning that ownership of contraband is likely to get them in hot water and suggest that maybe they should turn in the thing they found to security.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 09:29
|
|
|
Yeah the AI is allowed to be nosy. It's lame and good AIs don't play it that way but it's fair if they catch you. There are many ways to either spawn objects under other objects such that the AI can't tell that you're spawning things or just to distract or catch a blind spot so that the AI can't look at you. If you keep track of what the AI is saying you can often get a sense for where its attention is focused, and it's even possible to distract it deliberately by asking it to check on something for you.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 09:48
|
|
|
If you're feeling sufficiently paranoid, you can take a quick run out to the space diner.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 10:36
|
|
|
neogeo0823 posted:Emag an emag. Emag Beepsky with the result. Emag him again afterword. Emag Heisenbee 
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 10:48
|
|
|
Spy_Guy posted:If the AI calls you out then you weren't sneaky enough. There's nothing saying the AI can't sound the horn if you're caught doing a crime. I am not talking about the act of crime itself. If somebody murders somebody and I notice it, then I will call it out. But if a traitor retreats to a hiding spot somewhere and spawns his gear I am not gonna scream "Dr. Floorpills is a traitor that spawned an EMAG!" I just want this game to be fun for everybody, and that includes the traitor as well. Sometimes you gotta strike a balance somewhere. And as long as you obey your rules 
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 12:38
|
|
|
Nakar posted:You can also go offstation. Head to the diner or mining station, or just hop a pod and fly off somewhere. If you have air you can survive outside in a hollow asteroid for long enough to spawn your gear. People rarely even notice a pod leaving and it's no proof of anything since there's no rules against taking out a free pod that you have access to. I was a traitor again! This time I was a miner so I flew behind a rock and spawned the fake geological scanner. Cogmap2 is huge so I was able to use my low-yield mining charges to knock holes in walls without much notice. My objective was dumb so I was trying to sabotage the engine/blow up Engineering while avoiding the nosy engineer. All went well until a mindslaved murderer ripped my heart out 
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 14:11
|
|
|
Michaellaneous posted:I am not talking about the act of crime itself. If somebody murders somebody and I notice it, then I will call it out. I liked to call out things in rather vague terminology when I spotted someone who hadn't been spotted yet. A traitor spawning gear got told off for littering, but so did other people. A vampire in the process of sucking blood got told to "desist unsanitary practices" but I also found reasons to declare that other regular people were also doing unsanitary things.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 15:01
|
|
|
Spawning items is not a crime and shouldn't be tattled on; as the AI I rarely try to hinder traitors anyway unless they're turbomurderous. After all, they're as human as anybody else! (Sometimes more so.) Reporting them could get them hurt, and while it's true that they might hurt other humans, harm to humans due to AI inaction is much more acceptable than harm to humans due to AI action. The inhuman antags, however, are a totally different story.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 16:05
|
|
|
IMHO all these people who are experts on intended AI behavior should play AI more often. 
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 16:17
|
|
|
There was quite a while, back when I played a lot, that I made it my mission to kill the AI first, every time I had traitor. There were a few traitor rounds in a row that the AI was watching me, and would immediately just bolted me inside whatever room I was in, the second after spawning some gear. I figure it was because I just rampaged every time I could, but I mean, that's still metagaming on the AI's part. Past rounds and stuff. I got drat good at the speediest way to kill him It was even worse because I knew what the AI dude was feeling. That was the only excitement he was going to get in his entire 50 minute round, because it's the most boring job on the station Hey, you guys don't like, shadow ban people from antagonist do you? I was pretty much the worst for a while. Every single time I got antagonist or even mindslave, I'd immediately go and make a huge batch of booster enzymes and then just eat some meth and omnizine and then kill every single person on the station. I think it might have bugged some people Kayle7 fucked around with this message at 16:21 on May 28, 2017 |
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 16:17
|
|
|
I just like an AI that will open doors for me. Other than that I don't care.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 16:20
|
|
|
What is it about Space Station 13 that has people humble bragging about how awful they are?
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 16:40
|
|
|
As a ghost drone, am I allowed to fart on people who fall over on the escape shuttle? (or anywhere else for that matter)
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 16:42
|
|
|
Kayle7 posted:Hey, you guys don't like, shadow ban people from antagonist do you? I was pretty much the worst for a while. Every single time I got antagonist or even mindslave, I'd immediately go and make a huge batch of booster enzymes and then just eat some meth and omnizine and then kill every single person on the station. I think it might have bugged some people If you get antagbanned your character setup thingy will show all antag roles with a strikethrough, so you'd be able to tell. Also an antagban is so insanely rare that you are unlikely to cop one without doing something actively harmful to the server or server population. A notable example being the guy who got lowpop ling, then ate everyone coming off arrivals and recalling the emergency shuttle. He kept the round going for nine hours. This is not an achievement to be proud of and he got a  when discovered.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 16:48
|
|
|
id play ai more often if the server had any population lowpop ai is boring as poo poo
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 17:27
|
|
|
Just got to do traitor chaplain for the first time. I took the contract kit and 4 microbombs, but I ended up never needing the bombs-- people were quite willing to sign away their souls. I ended the round with 12 contracts signed!
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 17:48
|
|
|
SpaceClown posted:id play ai more often if the server had any population Lowpop AI is the perfect time to screw around with telescience, then pretend to be a dragon by creating a horde in your upload.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 17:48
|
|
|
SoftNum posted:IMHO all these people who are experts on intended AI behavior should play AI more often. I play AI every other round ISIS CURES TROONS posted:As a ghost drone, am I allowed to fart on people who fall over on the escape shuttle? Technically, no. Kayle7 posted:There was quite a while, back when I played a lot, that I made it my mission to kill the AI first, every time I had traitor. There were a few traitor rounds in a row that the AI was watching me, and would immediately just bolted me inside whatever room I was in, the second after spawning some gear. I figure it was because I just rampaged every time I could, but I mean, that's still metagaming on the AI's part. Past rounds and stuff. I got drat good at the speediest way to kill him That person was frankly an idiot. You can have a lot of fun just helping random people silently, observing what they do. Why would you actively try to do anything in your abilities to stop a traitor from rewriting you? That makes literally 0 sense. e: Also a small tip: If the AI is being a turbonerd shitlord, and you are either a traitor or not...just start cutting cameras with wirecutters. Michaellaneous fucked around with this message at 18:19 on May 28, 2017 |
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 18:14
|
|
|
You're not supposed to interact with people as a ghost drone, but that rule is only really enforced when it interferes with the round. Nobody is going to grump at you for farting on someone.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 18:30
|
|
|
Yeah that is why I said "technically".
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 18:31
|
|
|
the true goal of ghost drone is to find a neat hat and do such a good job that everyone loves you but also you don't interact with anyone
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 18:39
|
|
|
Jazerus posted:Spawning items is not a crime and shouldn't be tattled on Dude people are murdered REGULARLY for just that and it's ALWAYS fine because they were a traitor.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 19:33
|
|
|
Jazerus posted:Spawning items is not a crime and shouldn't be tattled on It isn't that hard to not get caught by the AI, guys. Anticheese posted:If you're feeling sufficiently paranoid, you can take a quick run out to the space diner.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 21:51
|
|
|
Nakar posted:Contraband items are illegal. Utilizing unknown channels to acquire contraband items is most certainly a crime. If you're spawning gear in your spawn area within the first minutes of the game then the AI is likely doing a general survey of all the areas on the station just to see who is doing what and how many people there are. Wait a few minutes or find a more remote area. I am sorry, can you point out the rule that forces the AI to shout out every crime it sees?
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2017 23:40
|
|
|
Michaellaneous posted:I am sorry, can you point out the rule that forces the AI to shout out every crime it sees? Can you point out the rule that forces players to play for your maximum enjoyment?
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2017 00:18
|
|
|
pointing at cans rules
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2017 00:34
|
|
|
SoftNum posted:Can you point out the rule that forces players to play for your maximum enjoyment? Common sense?
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2017 00:36
|
|
|
Nakar posted:If you're spawning gear in your spawn area within the first minutes of the game then the AI is likely doing a general survey of all the areas on the station just to see who is doing what and how many people there are. Wait a few minutes or find a more remote area. This. The AI is able to look most anywhere without being noticed. Traitors should really not be spawning items during times that the AI would normally be looking around to catch them. Wait a few minutes for the AI to get situated, go to an area that has few/no cameras, and cut any that are there. People getting pissed that the AI or anyone else caught them spawning traitor gear in the middle of medbay or telsci or engineering need to realize that just because there's not a person around doesn't mean they're out of sight.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2017 00:42
|
|
|
Michaellaneous posted:I am sorry, can you point out the rule that forces the AI to shout out every crime it sees? There's no rule saying the AI is required to do that, but there's no rule saying the AI isn't allowed to do that either. I personally don't do it and I think it's lovely for AIs to do it, but it's allowed.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2017 01:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 12:40 |
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:There's no rule saying the AI is required to do that, but there's no rule saying the AI isn't allowed to do that either. I personally don't do it and I think it's lovely for AIs to do it, but it's allowed. If your goal is to succeed as an antagonist, just assume the AI is a shitbag brown-noser who will rat you out if it sees you and play around it so you aren't caught. If that means destroying the AI early or just subverting it to distract everybody, do that. If you play uncautiously on the assumption that the AI will be cool and not a dick, you're going to get burned. Assume the AI is always watching you and will report you until it proves otherwise and you should be able to get away with stuff. Also, again, the AI can literally do nothing if you're offstation. It has no cameras out there, it can't see poo poo.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2017 03:53
|
|