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WHOOPS posted:It's just a lovely way to dismiss people wanting to see more content in Audibles at the Line, even if it's not as bad as the DVOA stuff. I like Audibles, but it doesn't seems more like bonus content, so I can see why they'd want to avoid putting more time/money into it each week. On the "good content" side, Word of Muth is a fantastic column
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Kalli posted:Schatz lives a few blocks away from me, which is kind of weird. I live pretty close to Tanier, seems like a decent fella when I talk to him.
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LA RAMS COME SEE OUR PUNTER
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Diqnol posted:I live pretty close to Tanier, seems like a decent fella when I talk to him. Yeah I read a lot of his stuff, he seems to appreciate the absurdity of switching careers from highschool teacher to making foot jokes about Rex Ryan
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TheChirurgeon posted:I like Audibles, but it doesn't seems more like bonus content, so I can see why they'd want to avoid putting more time/money into it each week. Yeah, Word of Muth is fantastic if you care about Offensive line play at all, it's a great read to get an idea of just how complicated blocking is. Any Given Sunday is solid for a more indepth breakdown of how some random upset happened. Like today's is about what the hell happened to the Texans and the Jags offense actually... has a plan.
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Amy Pole Her posted:LA RAMS You're not a real NFL fan unless you've loved your punter more than any other player on the team for at least one season.
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Grittybeard posted:You're not a real NFL fan unless you've loved your punter more than any other player on the team for at least one season. I miss Mike Scifres
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Grittybeard posted:You're not a real NFL fan unless you've loved your punter more than any other player on the team for at least one season. Three-time Seahawks offensive MVP Jon Ryan was our greatest weapon last week
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There's like an inverse relationship between how good the number crunching is and how good the website is. You'd think computer nerds would be able to make a damned website, or like have a buddy that can do that, but no. FO has mostly reasonable 2010-era analysis on a 1996-era website with an aggressive snot-green color palette and no mobile support. Rotoviz only shows 4 articles at a time and their search functionality looks like this (with no discernible order and no ability to sort):  So good loving luck finding anything older than 6 hours. Numberfire is slicker-looking with worse analysis and breaks every article into multi-page slideshows to inflate ad revenue. FootballPerspectives is the best, with a completely batshit design. They have a banner that extends the entire page but is mostly invisible:  And this is the button to go to the previous page of articles:  They also tag all of their articles into categories but have no way of searching these tags or seeing a database of tags. But it's the best numbers site I know of. Tellingly, PFF has a slick as hell interface. I rest my case.
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Sep 13, 2017 17:02
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Grittybeard posted:You're not a real NFL fan unless you've loved your punter more than any other player on the team for at least one season.
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Grittybeard posted:You're not a real NFL fan unless you've loved your punter more than any other player on the team for at least one season. Where do fullbacks go in this ranking? I love my fullback  e: also I love Butt
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Where do fullbacks go in this ranking? I love my fullback Fullbacks are up there too (come back Tony Richardson). To ascend to the next level you should also attribute way too much of a team's success or failure to your longsnapper. Or the exact right amount if you're the 2010ish Chargers.
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Sep 13, 2017 17:39
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Where do fullbacks go in this ranking? I love my fullback If you don't love a good fullback then you don't love football.
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Grittybeard posted:You're not a real NFL fan unless you've loved your punter more than any other player on the team for at least one season. It was pretty cool when the Patriots let Zoltan Mesko--which is the name of the demon whose soul Belichick is bound to--inhabit flesh and punt for a few years.
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Oh man, since we're getting into lovely football website designs, you know who's the most inexcusable offender? Rotoworld. Try reading a paginated article on your phone on that bad boy. At least Football Outsiders is something of a low-key operation; Rotoworld is owned by NBC!
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https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/907907399327117317 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/09/13/the-nfl-has-an-offensive-line-crisis quote:A lack of offensive production isn’t an inherent problem. The problem is the nature of how offenses have bogged down. It is one thing for a stout defense to thwart passable offensive execution. It is another when defensive lines are shoving offensive linemen five yards into the backfield and ruining any semblance of offensive play design. It makes games painful to watch — it stops looking like football and starts looking like survival. In too many games, possessions unfolded as spasms of panic capped with a punt. quote:Atrocious offensive line play, in many ways, harms the viewing experience more than terrible quarterback play. A cruddy quarterback behind an adequate line will make bad decisions and poor throws and fail to score points, but those mistakes occur within the flow of an otherwise pleasant game. An adequate quarterback behind a horrible line doesn’t even have the chance to initiate what fans would recognize as football. He’s just engulfed by chaos. Amidst declining ratings...
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fsif posted:Oh man, since we're getting into lovely football website designs, you know who's the most inexcusable offender? Rotoworld. Try reading a paginated article on your phone on that bad boy. Rotoworld has the design sensibilities of the lowest bidder for a government website.
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SKULL.GIF posted:https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/907907399327117317 QBs handcuffing salary caps probably doesn't do teams any favors.
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I normally hate the argument used to explain why QBs suck nowadays, the whole "the spread game makes them unprepared for the pros and QB play was totally better 20/30/whatever years ago" (in reality the league has always proportionally had the same general ratio of elite, good to great and everything else QBs). That being said, I do really wonder if it has a lot to do with the general decline of o-line play... I don't know, i'm just spitballing. I only know as little as most.
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Conventional wisdom is that in highschool and college the best athletes are put into offensive roles, and if you're not good enough you end up playing defense. But maybe that isn't true for linemen anymore.
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Maybe the NFL needs an actual developmental league with coaches that coach NFL-style offenses and techniques
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Conventional wisdom is that in highschool and college the best athletes are put into offensive roles, and if you're not good enough you end up playing defense. But maybe that isn't true for linemen anymore. The OL is basically defense, when you think about it. The best athletes on the line usually go onto the defensive line where they can attack the quarterback. Cash Monet posted:QBs handcuffing salary caps probably doesn't do teams any favors. I'm not so sure this is the problem given that most linemen aren't paid very much compared to skill positions, and that you don't see more than a couple teams in any given year that has elite players at every position. The '16 Cowboys were an outlier.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Conventional wisdom is that in highschool and college the best athletes are put into offensive roles, and if you're not good enough you end up playing defense. But maybe that isn't true for linemen anymore. i never played football but i can't imagine all that many kids really dream at night of being an offensive lineman defensive line at least gets to sack the qb if things go really right. offensive line, if you do your job...well, nothing cool happens. it seems like where people wind up who are big but aren't good enough to play the positions they'd rather play.
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SKULL.GIF posted:The OL is basically defense, when you think about it. I love it
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One thing with olinemen to remember is that virtually none of them went into football to play it. NFL caliber athletes tended to be insane when they were kids, and were Quarterbacks / Running backs / Defensive Ends until some point in high school or college when they found out they weren't baller enough to do that, and ended up as oline as a last resort. NFL Tackles need to be tall, fast and have great footwork to stand a chance, and there just aren't that many of those guys in the world that aren't also baller enough to not be defensive linemen instead.
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SKULL.GIF posted:The OL is basically defense, when you think about it. The best athletes on the line usually go onto the defensive line where they can attack the quarterback. I wonder if the proliferation of the passing game comes into this a little bit. You're right that the DL gets to attack, but in the running game the OL can be and traditionally was the the one attacking. Now a lot of the league and most of college has gone to zone blocking which, while effective, isn't as satisfying for a kid as just trying to maul the guy in front of you.
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Grittybeard posted:Fullbacks are up there too (come back Tony Richardson). I'm triggered
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Offensive lineman diets are also gross as gently caress.
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Grittybeard posted:I wonder if the proliferation of the passing game comes into this a little bit. You're right that the DL gets to attack, but in the running game the OL can be and traditionally was the the one attacking. There's a ton of anecdotes in Howard Mudd's book from players, and even the old hall of famers were like... yeah, I liked to kill the quarterback, but I was slow, so my coach made me play guard.. and then you'd glance up and realize that was like Alan Faneca or some other hall of famer.
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SKULL.GIF posted:The OL is basically defense, when you think about it. The best athletes on the line usually go onto the defensive line where they can attack the quarterback.
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Cash Monet posted:QBs handcuffing salary caps probably doesn't do teams any favors. gently caress that noise, the owners are the ones demanding the caps "oh boo hoo hoo I'd sure like to pay these offensive line fellas more if only it weren't for this SELFISH GLORY BOY QUARTERBACK demanding all this money taking up all of the allotted cap that I vehemently fought to put in place and keep low"
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SKULL.GIF posted:I'm not so sure this is the problem given that most linemen aren't paid very much compared to skill positions, and that you don't see more than a couple teams in any given year that has elite players at every position. The '16 Cowboys were an outlier. Wasn't this past offseason one where a bunch of mediocre/bad o-linemen got huge contracts from desperate teams? I think it's just a talent shortage.
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fsif posted:Wasn't this past offseason one where a bunch of mediocre/bad o-linemen got huge contracts from desperate teams? I think it's just a talent shortage. Matt Kalil and Reilly Reiff got huge contracts from the Panthers and Lions respectively to fix some horrific problems. The Browns also signed a few guys for massive money to fix their ol as well.
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You know, I wonder how much of Seattle's oline can be pinned on Schneider. When he was with the Packers the oline was similarly trash.
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fsif posted:Wasn't this past offseason one where a bunch of mediocre/bad o-linemen got huge contracts from desperate teams? I think it's just a talent shortage. The biggest difference I noticed was interior linemen getting paid. I started off being horrified at what the Chiefs gave to Duvarney-Tardif (a guard) and ended up going...well if he keeps developing that's going to be a good deal. Relatively at least.
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SKULL.GIF posted:https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/907907399327117317 Are there even 32 'starter-quality' players in the NFL at any given position? DariusLikewise posted:Maybe the NFL needs an actual developmental league with coaches that coach NFL-style offenses and techniques There's no real money in that though. The quality of football play from a spectator perspective takes a serious nose-dive as player quality goes down. It gets ugly quickly.
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Taerkar posted:There's no real money in that though. The quality of football play from a spectator perspective takes a serious nose-dive as player quality goes down. It gets ugly quickly. The money printing machine that is the NCAA kind of disagrees with this analysis.
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TheChirurgeon posted:gently caress that noise, the owners are the ones demanding the caps One situation where I can rest easy knowing that Jerry Jones hates the salary cap. Dallas may have a lich king for an owner, but if there's one true thing about Jerry Jones is that he has no loving problem with outspending everyone on the way to a title.
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Taerkar posted:Are there even 32 'starter-quality' players in the NFL at any given position? Depends on how you define "starter-quality" (#1? #1 and #2?) but I'd wager receiver is probably one. There are a lot of really good receivers.
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