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Bisco's is a really awkward item. It's way too good to not use while at the same time being way too bad to actually use. I personally decided to pretend it doesn't exist.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:41
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:everything with 6l is expensive, lioneye's is pretty common What I mean is the weird evening out of prices at high level. Like, your average non-6L QotF is gonna be worth gently caress all. Your average non-6L Belly is still worth a decent chunk of change. But that price difference doesn't scale up to 6L, and instead stays constant. The ~30c gap in price between QotF and Belly doesn't become 5ex at 6L or whatever, but instead stays at about 30c which is a huge deal when you can get QotF for a few jeweler orbs, but relatively chump change when you're talking about literally hundreds of chaos orbs worth of currency in a single transaction.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:43
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Looking at my lioneye's, it has good rolls for flat damage and % damage but minimum roll for attack speed, lol
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Sep 13, 2017 23:47
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Tarezax posted:Looking at my lioneye's, it has good rolls for flat damage and % damage but minimum roll for attack speed, lol Apparently 330+ DPS is where it starts being more than worthless, and 340+ DPS is where it starts costing quite a bit.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:53
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AnonSpore posted:What I mean is the weird evening out of prices at high level. Like, your average non-6L QotF is gonna be worth gently caress all. Your average non-6L Belly is still worth a decent chunk of change. But that price difference doesn't scale up to 6L, and instead stays constant. The ~30c gap in price between QotF and Belly doesn't become 5ex at 6L or whatever, but instead stays at about 30c which is a huge deal when you can get QotF for a few jeweler orbs, but relatively chump change when you're talking about literally hundreds of chaos orbs worth of currency in a single transaction. 6 linking an item, on average, takes the same amount of money regardless of the item. it's also hard capped by the price of 1500 fusings, because at that point you can just buy an unlinked one and force it with vorici. it makes sense that generally, a 6link item is going to be the base cost of the item + ~1k-1.5k fusings
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Sep 14, 2017 00:13
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TheRat posted:Bisco's is a really awkward item. It's way too good to not use while at the same time being way too bad to actually use. I personally decided to pretend it doesn't exist. Think of it as a challenge mode, get no combat stats from 1 item slot, get increased quantity of drops.
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Sep 14, 2017 00:16
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terrified of my bathroom posted:6 linking an item, on average, takes the same amount of money regardless of the item. it's also hard capped by the price of 1500 fusings, because at that point you can just buy an unlinked one and force it with vorici. it makes sense that generally, a 6link item is going to be the base cost of the item + ~1k-1.5k fusings Well yeah, but to me it's like, if a Belly is ~30 times more valuable than a QotF in its "base" state, why is it only marginally more valuable than a QotF in its best state? I guess there's something to be said for all the endgame builds that use QotF with flask stacking to move at lightspeed, but otoh it's not like Belly's massive 40% life boost doesn't get any less massive at high gearing levels.
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Sep 14, 2017 00:32
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Probably has to do with how many variables there are, if throwing a divine orb on a bad unique only has to make a single stat go from lowest to highest it's not so bad, if you need 4+ stats to all high roll then your gonna be using a lot of divine orbs.
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Sep 14, 2017 00:40
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AnonSpore posted:Well yeah, but to me it's like, if a Belly is ~30 times more valuable than a QotF in its "base" state, why is it only marginally more valuable than a QotF in its best state? I guess there's something to be said for all the endgame builds that use QotF with flask stacking to move at lightspeed, but otoh it's not like Belly's massive 40% life boost doesn't get any less massive at high gearing levels. you're missing my point. the difference between the items stays the same in terms of a flat amount because both items gain the same amount of value by being six linked. assuming 30c belly and 2:1 fusing:chaos, a vorici 6l belly is worth 30c + (1500x0.5) or 780c. a vorici 6l qotf would be 1alc + (1500x0.5) or 750c. theres no reason why belly would become exponentially more expensive, or qotf would be significantly cheaper because they are both having approx. the same amount of currency spent on them. has nothing to do with the power of the item
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Sep 14, 2017 00:42
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AnonSpore posted:Well yeah, but to me it's like, if a Belly is ~30 times more valuable than a QotF in its "base" state, why is it only marginally more valuable than a QotF in its best state? I guess there's something to be said for all the endgame builds that use QotF with flask stacking to move at lightspeed, but otoh it's not like Belly's massive 40% life boost doesn't get any less massive at high gearing levels. The dude above already explained it but if the minimum cost of a 6L is for example, a thousand fusings, then it's not really a big deal wether the base item costs 10c versus 25c. The majority of the cost comes from the 6L, which has a huge amount of intrinsic value.
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Sep 14, 2017 00:44
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terrified of my bathroom posted:you're missing my point. the difference between the items stays the same in terms of a flat amount because both items gain the same amount of value by being six linked. assuming 30c belly and 2:1 fusing:chaos, a vorici 6l belly is worth 30c + (1500x0.5) or 780c. a vorici 6l qotf would be 1alc + (1500x0.5) or 750c. theres no reason why belly would become exponentially more expensive, or qotf would be significantly cheaper because they are both having approx. the same amount of currency spent on them. has nothing to do with the power of the item Yeah, that makes sense. I guess in my head I was seeing it as a multiplicative thing instead of an additive one.
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Sep 14, 2017 01:18
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6 links add increased value.
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Sep 14, 2017 01:19
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just completely coincidentally, both my characters have been characters that somehow cheat the need for an expensive 6-link (SRS can use that divination card for a 6L staff, whispering ice doesn't care) so this entire conversation has been something of a sticker shock for me
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Sep 14, 2017 01:46
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Would it be possible to get a guild invite? I'm getting bored playing solo IGN: ChairyPeeWee
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Sep 14, 2017 01:53
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Think of it as a challenge mode, get no combat stats from 1 item slot, get increased quantity of drops. I stopped using it just because I've used it on every character I've made in the last 2 leagues and pretending an entire item slot doesn't exist for 2 leagues got kind of boring, there are many less tedious or alternate ways to make money than relying on currency drops adding up once you get your initial bankroll and if you understand end-game gearing. It did teach me to play without life/resists on my amulet which is cool and opens up a whole lot of options. Like Bloodgrip for example, which I never would have considered before my Bisco's days but which I now consider to be really drat good. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 02:10
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TheRat posted:Bisco's is a really awkward item. It's way too good to not use while at the same time being way too bad to actually use. I personally decided to pretend it doesn't exist. Ah just like your approach with Zerker
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Sep 14, 2017 02:10
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Yeah I mean I'll be very surprised if berserker and Bisco's aren't nerfed/changed in 3.1.
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Sep 14, 2017 02:55
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A. What's the ranking of best movement skills? I'm a two-handed slayer, for what that matters. B. I feel like I've hit a wall with my gear. Profile: https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/eschatoned/characters Character 'cyberermom" Here's the build I'm working from: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1859077 When I look at the items he's got equipped and what I've got, the differences seem to be 1. 6l, 2. Kaom's Heart, 3. Atziri's Acuity. The rest of it is basically the same. I could buy a Taste of Hate I guess, and of course the Kaom's Heart. He specifically says that you should try to get Acuity before getting 6l. So then it becomes a question of is it worth it to drop ~400c on a Heart when I could be saving that for an Acuity? It basically feels like the only meaningful upgrade is the Heart, and it's possibly not even worth buying and instead saving my dough for Acuity.
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Sep 14, 2017 04:02
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The Wonder Weapon posted:A. What's the ranking of best movement skills? I'm a two-handed slayer, for what that matters. Shield Charge >>>>>>>>>>>> Whirling Blades > Leap Slam > Flame Dash > Lightning Warp
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Sep 14, 2017 04:36
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flame dash is really good for lab
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Sep 14, 2017 04:37
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terrified of my bathroom posted:Shield Charge >>>>>>>>>>>> Whirling Blades > Leap Slam > Flame Dash > Lightning Warp So, how is he going to Shield Charge with a two-handed weapon?
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Sep 14, 2017 04:44
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terrified of my bathroom posted:Shield Charge >>>>>>>>>>>> Whirling Blades > Leap Slam > Flame Dash > Lightning Warp 400% movespeed is better than all of these
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Sep 14, 2017 04:45
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I got my first 5L of the league earlier but it's a strength armor with a 100+ and I have an arc witch. That and the fact I have jack poo poo for resistance in my slots means I'm probably gonna turn off solo selffind even though that's how I normally play and I want, uh, whatever you get for checking that box
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Sep 14, 2017 04:56
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cinci zoo sniper posted:So, how is he going to Shield Charge with a two-handed weapon? i blanked on the 2h, but in general thats correct
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Sep 14, 2017 05:02
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terrified of my bathroom posted:Shield Charge >>>>>>>>>>>> Whirling Blades > Leap Slam > Flame Dash > Lightning Warp Shield Charge is great without speed investment but if you're a caster lightning warp with the right support gems is often just as fast and can jump over poo poo. And with enough attack speed leap slam is incredibly fast, you're not going to catch a 4 or 5 aps leap slam without a ton of investment. Whirling blades is strictly worse than leap slam for general movement, taking almost twice as long to go less distance.
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Sep 14, 2017 05:02
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dis astranagant posted:Shield Charge is great without speed investment but if you're a caster lightning warp with the right support gems is often just as fast and can jump over poo poo. And with enough attack speed leap slam is incredibly fast, you're not going to catch a 4 or 5 aps leap slam without a ton of investment. Whirling blades is strictly worse than leap slam for general movement, taking almost twice as long to go less distance. Leapslam has always felt really awful to me, i didn't realize it went further than WB
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Sep 14, 2017 05:11
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Leapslam seems to have weird target lock issues
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Sep 14, 2017 05:14
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Leapslam needs to be shift-attacked to not feel awful
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Sep 14, 2017 05:20
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Yea, only time leapslam felt good to me was when i started doing the num lock trick which has its own annoying problems
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Sep 14, 2017 05:23
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Leap slam has always felt better to me than shield charge. I realize I'm in the minority here, but just wanted to throw that out there.
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Sep 14, 2017 05:31
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terrified of my bathroom posted:Leapslam has always felt really awful to me, i didn't realize it went further than WB I did some testing in my hideout while waiting for Harbinger to start and Leap Slam goes about one of the big tiles in Elreon hideouts farther than Whirling Blades. And has 1.4 second base speed instead of whirling blade's 2.6.
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Sep 14, 2017 05:38
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Very high attack speed on leap slam feels great. Basically, leap slam has an inherently high draw up and draw down speed, which locks you in place until you start moving. High attack speed diminishes that into nothing, and you can blast through areas with jumpable terrain. The big open areas in lab (mansion passage) could be completed almost instantly. Whirling blades feels okay at lower attack speeds, because there's no draw up time. And there's a way of removing the draw down time: aim closer to your feet, and that short time you're rooted just about disappears. Whirling also feels good in indoors areas with lots of doors and passageways, as you slide along obstacles, instead of stopping flat like what happens with leap slam or shield charge.
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Sep 14, 2017 06:00
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Dance Officer posted:Hey goons I am a stupid fucker. I would like to make a CI character with a chaos damage skill that's focused around bossing. So far I've figured Death's Oath might be a good armor, and to grab every ES node ever. Any suggestions? bad idea, your chest is usually your biggest ES source (for CI) and Death's Oath sucks in that regard "CI" and "focussed around bossing" and "chaos" probably means you're gonna have to go Coccultist DP unless you have lots money to throw at a fancy Trickster/Occultist ED build
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Sep 14, 2017 06:46
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Goa Tse-tung posted:bad idea, your chest is usually your biggest ES source (for CI) and Death's Oath sucks in that regard Okay, no Death's Oath. I just worked out a build and would like ideas on things to improve and how expensive it will be. https://pastebin.com/ph4r5TdE Dance Officer fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 08:27
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Dance Officer posted:It turns out a dude named VA_Harbinger apparently owns almost all of the 350+ DPS 6L Lioneye's Glares r/n That dude also offered me 15 ex on my alt storm cloud, to which he openly said he was "interested in flipping".
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Sep 14, 2017 08:52
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terrified of my bathroom posted:i blanked on the 2h, but in general thats correct I'll still disagree, but it is fun on wide, open maps, sure.
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Sep 14, 2017 09:06
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Did they just nerf CI on 3.0? Where are the good ES nodes that were behind it?
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Sep 14, 2017 13:17
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It was like two 8% es nodes and then a 15% more es node.
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Sep 14, 2017 13:27
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Duskfiend posted:Did they just nerf CI on 3.0? Where are the good ES nodes that were behind it? To say they needed it is putting it kindly, lol.
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Sep 14, 2017 13:54
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TheRat posted:
Generally there are 4 things I want out of a movement skill - going fast, dodging one-shots, bypassing walls/holes and triggering fortify. For me, leap slam with very high attack speed is great for all 4, but that requires a certain type of build. Shield charge is great for going fast and triggering fortify, but requires a secondary movement skill to bypass scenery and isn't quite fast enough without significant support (imo) to dodge attacks. Still, I like shield charge enough that I shoehorn a shield into some builds. Level 1 flame dash is great because you can throw it on literally any character without support and it's fast enough to dodge attacks and lets you bypass scenery, but it sucks for going fast due to charges and can't proc fortify. I often use it as a secondary movement skill paired with shield charge. Lightning warp has some marginal gimmick use in that it's so drat slow you can cast it then open a strongbox in complete safety. gently caress whirling blades. It's horrible to use - it's got that awful delay at the end where you just kinda stand there not doing poo poo, it has a minimum distance, doesn't go very far and most importantly, fails if there's so much as a small pebble between you and your target location. It can be supported to the point it's a decent go-fast skill, I suppose, but that requires heavy investment in my experience. This skill was super popular a couple of leagues ago and I've never understood why. I hate playing builds where this is the obvious movement skill choice. The Wonder Weapon posted:A. What's the ranking of best movement skills? I'm a two-handed slayer, for what that matters. Leap slam, no question. You should have enough attack speed that it's super fast, so ticks all the boxes. If you weren't a slayer it might be dangerous jumping over traps, but slayers get bleed immunity.
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