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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/909267186593579008

ho ly poo poo

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

i mean it's always bad when a fighter gets robbed, but canelo did better than i thought and it was a good, close fight, even if GGG clearly won, and i'd really like to see a rematch, so silver lining i guess

As others noted, that's another part of what makes this so terrible - even if GGG had won (or Canelo), a rematch would have been a no-brainer and probably got a ton of interest.

Andro
Jun 30, 2010
The draw card was the worst. Horrible decision.

gtkor
Feb 21, 2011

Queering Wheel posted:

A draw is the absolute most generous score you could give Canelo. He did not win that fight at all. Just crazy how some people seem to live in a totally different reality.

It isn't hard to see how Canelo could have been up 4-1 after 5. GGG did a lot of busy work that wasn't necessarily landing in the back half of the fight as well. I don't think it would have been hard at all to give Canelo the 12th, so really you just have to find 2 rounds out of the other 6. Pretty easy to do in a close fight.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Andro posted:

It was a close fight. I had Canelo winning the first three, the fifth, and the last three.

wtf

eric
Apr 27, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

She probably thought she was so clever. Giving two whole rounds to GGG. No one would suspect a thing!

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Let's see, I'm thinking:

Fight 2 has an even more ridiculous scorecard, or that this time 2 judges have them, Canelo wins decision

Fight 3 GGG wins by KO, only half of this viewing audience are not sickened enough by the judging to even bother sticking around to witness it

Also both fights will cost $100 minimum

Andro
Jun 30, 2010
Y'all pay too much attention the Lederman card. He's a loving idiot.

SpiritOfSanDimas
Oct 31, 2012

I could conceivably see scoring it a Draw so I can't call it a complete robbery despite the 1 clearly crooked card.

Cool that Canelo was booed tho

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

eric posted:

She probably thought she was so clever. Giving two whole rounds to GGG. No one would suspect a thing!

she just doesn't know wtf she is watching

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Chris James 2 posted:

Let's see, I'm thinking:

Fight 2 has an even more ridiculous scorecard, or that this time 2 judges have them, Canelo wins decision

Fight 3 GGG wins by KO, only half of this viewing audience are not sickened enough by the judging to even bother sticking around to witness it

Also both fights will cost $100 minimum

Rematch is going to happen when GGG is 41

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

Andro posted:

Y'all pay too much attention the Lederman card. He's a loving idiot.

You're not making much of a counterpoint here tho.

Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013

gently caress boxing

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!

Danny LaFever posted:

Now I can wait for all the reasons Golden Boy can find to make this fight not happen for two years.

"Gotta wait for Golovkin to get old" is a solid strategy to be honest.

Jackie D
May 27, 2009

Democracy is like a tambourine - not everyone can be trusted with it.


Gozinbulx posted:

See, if you gave all 3 last rounds to Canelo instead of just the last one, like I did, then you could even have a 114-114. But 118-110 is a complete loving joke, Byrd should be out of a job 15 years ago.

That's where I'm at, I thought 116-112 GGG, but I could see those first 3 and last 3 going to canelo. I wouldn't agree with it but I could understand it

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Andro posted:

Y'all pay too much attention the Lederman card. He's a loving idiot.

yes troll who claims 114-114 was worse than 118-110 canelo

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
it was a cool fight, they'll fight again. who cares about the stupid belts or the records

eric
Apr 27, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

SpiritOfSanDimas posted:

I could conceivably see scoring it a Draw so I can't call it a complete robbery despite the 1 clearly crooked card.

Cool that Canelo was booed tho

You have to really stretch to score it a draw. 7-5 is the best I can do for Canelo.

Gozinbulx
Feb 19, 2004

Andro posted:

Y'all pay too much attention the Lederman card. He's a loving idiot.

His card was totally correct though? Maybe it's you, sir, who is the idiot?

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008
Boxing is so retarded lol

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Gozinbulx posted:

His card was totally correct though? Maybe it's you, sir, who is the idiot?

It was the rare time Lederman was 100% correct

Andro
Jun 30, 2010

Dias posted:

You're not making much of a counterpoint here tho.

GGG was out boxed for much of the fight.

SpiritOfSanDimas
Oct 31, 2012

The only true form of judging is who you would bet on had they theoretically continued fighting to the death

I would go with GGG

RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Boxing is good.

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

Andro posted:

Y'all pay too much attention the Lederman card. He's a loving idiot.

what did hbo score it?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Andro posted:

GGG was out boxed for much of the fight.

just quoting

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

Andro posted:

GGG was out boxed for much of the fight.

I hope you say this as an experienced boxer, and if so maybe you should keep your guard up because you definitely got hit in the head a lot.

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!

Andro posted:

Y'all pay too much attention the Lederman card. He's a loving idiot.

For what it's worth I was completely uninfluenced by Lederman and not watching HBO and had it closish (2-3 rounds) but very clear for Gennady.

Jackie D
May 27, 2009

Democracy is like a tambourine - not everyone can be trusted with it.


Andro posted:

Y'all pay too much attention the Lederman card. He's a loving idiot.

I didn't watch the hbo feed dipshit

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

thehappyprince posted:

what did hbo score it?

i think they gave canelo like 3 roudns

chaoslord
Jan 28, 2009

Nature Abhors A Vacuum


thehappyprince posted:

what did hbo score it?

116-112

Queering Wheel
Jun 18, 2011


gtkor posted:

It isn't hard to see how Canelo could have been up 4-1 after 5. GGG did a lot of busy work that wasn't necessarily landing in the back half of the fight as well. I don't think it would have been hard at all to give Canelo the 12th, so really you just have to find 2 rounds out of the other 6. Pretty easy to do in a close fight.

I just don't agree. Canelo was backed up against the ropes so often in those middle rounds and throwing mostly single shots while GGG was throwing and landing a lot of combinations. The way those rounds played out I just don't get how you could find a Canelo win. I thought Lederman's card was spot on.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Andro posted:

GGG was out boxed for much of the fight.

Lol

Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy

Andro posted:

Y'all pay too much attention the Lederman card. He's a loving idiot.

I usually strenuously disagree with his scoring, but for the first time ever i scored every round the same way he did. :shrug:

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
ggg relentlessly walked him down. badass

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

like the frustrating thing is that the 118-110 makes the 114-114 seem reasonable. outright corruption making heavy canelo bias seem justifiable. don trella must be relieved as gently caress

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

thehappyprince posted:

what did hbo score it?

Lederman gave Canelo 2,3, 11, 12

I would have given him 1,3,11,12 but otherwise pretty on point, and he's usually not

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


Andro posted:

GGG was out boxed for much of the fight.

Lol

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

R. Mute posted:

like the frustrating thing is that the 118-110 makes the 114-114 seem reasonable. outright corruption making heavy canelo bias seem justifiable. don trella must be relieved as gently caress

this is true but dont care, Byrd needs to get gone

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eric
Apr 27, 2004
Lipstick Apathy
Crazy Teddy on ESPN basically saying this poo poo was fixed and boxing is corrupt.

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