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DeathSandwich posted:Has anyone else hit a but wherein an AI army that has a Ruby Ring of Ruin will apparently start making GBS threads out rapid fire fireballs nonstop for the better part of the first 5 minutes of a battle? I had a battle as lizardmen vs a high elf w/ the ruby ring and the second my terradons got in range it was like he was a magical fire AA gun. Yes, my Noble has this and it is amazing. Sometimes he can shoot once, sometimes a handful of times before the cooldown starts and twice now it just never went on cooldown. He sits there on his Eagle while my main battleline trumpets Ride of the Valkyries and everything burns. Krazyface posted:I got a lizard named Ss'impssyn. I killed a Clo'aca
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Gonkish posted:So is Skaven territorial expansion basically just you running out of food unless you're selective about where you settle? Remember that additional cities consume food, only a few special buildings generate it. I tend to use their provincial command that gives additional food to offset this, and almost always select the +2 food option during battle victories. Raiding your own territory and crushing rebellions helps too.
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Gonkish posted:So is Skaven territorial expansion basically just you running out of food unless you're selective about where you settle? it's also partially dependent on resources - skrolk gets a couple cities near him that have a resource that enables him to build a couple food-giving farms which lets him not worry about food for a bit longer than queek e: i do think it's weird that queek (who, while an rear end in a top hat, is just that and not much else) has much more hostile neighbors than skrolk, the literally rabid plague cultist who 'blesses' people by vomiting bile in their open wounds President Ark fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Panfilo posted:Raiding your own territory and crushing rebellions helps too. This, a raiding army even in your own territory always gives you 3 food/turn and spawns rebels which you can then kill for lord xp and more food. If you have no enemies left to fight you can just leave all your idle armies in raid stance instead of sitting them in cities. Raiding your own territory is so beneficial for large skaven empires I'm pretty sure it's actually the intended way to play and not a borderline exploit like in the first game.
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One thing to know, also, is that while the magic forest is "uninhabitable", it also gives 3 food when fully upgraded. And since its a province with only one settlement, the edict is a net +1 as well.
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My second Oldblood after Kroq-gar is named Klo'aca. He's a champ. I'm glad CA has kept up the lizardmen tradition of goofy-rear end names that are really just references to pop culture or simple lizard jokes.
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I confederated Kroq as Mazda just as he was about to be overrun by rats and for some reason an entire continent of vampires and some chaos dickheads that had also sailed to MazdaWorld. So I sent Kroq a new army of top notch dino friends and they met up at his last settlement. Now he's merrily getting revenge, going on camping trips and sending me the money. Shine on, Kroq-gar. Always remember I was there for you. E: haha I just read the fluff and it's the second coming of Kroq buoyed by good old Mazda. JBP fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Gonkish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn726f9QEP4 Now I want a Slann throne with boomboxes on the side and a Skink shredding a guitar Doof-Warrior-style.
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On the real time naval combat issue, the CA lady who posts on the Total War subreddit has said that the absence of ship battles has nothing to do with licensing or Man of War, it's just something they don't want to focus on. It might be bollocks but it makes sense to me- naval combat was a clusterfuck in Rome 2 and that was just a bunch of galleys. I imagine trying to balance a bunch of Dwarven Ironclads and Beastmen Narwahls or whatever would be a nightmare.
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think of all the time it would have taken to build, model, implement and test naval combat, only for it to be ignored by a large portion of the userbase who would just auto-resolve through it it's not like you have to secure trade routes in the game, or port blockades. in the old world, you barely ever had to travel by sea as it's mainly a landlocked game. i think they focused on the right things - hence why warhams 2 is so good. we would have seen a decrease in quality across the board if they'd pushed in naval combat again
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Rolling through an effective victory lap in my Tyrion campaign(just broke Malekith's back entirely, have 5 stacks with level 20+ lords and like 12 heroes running around in Naggaroth ready to break Morathi, am trusted friends with literally the entire world except the Skaven and DE) and while I really like the strategic layer as HE since influence is a really fun mechanic, I'm sort of disappointed by their tactical layer. I'm probably not going to finish this campaign all the way out because honestly playing them is quite uninteresting. There's very little reason to do anything but build millions of seaguard everywhere with a couple of bolt throwers and two or three flyers to snipe siege because the AI simply cannot deal with silver shielded archers that also have spears and 55+ melee def. Every time I experiment with elite infantry it feels like a waste; swordmasters and phoenix guard absolutely truck things in melee, but they have to actually close to melee to deal damage and are absurdly vulnerable to being utterly obliterated by the 500,000,000 rapid fire armor piercing darkshards/shades the DE love to bring to every fight who will immediately focus fire said units because of the AI's threat assessment(incidentally the Dark Elf AI's unit preferences mean bringing anything without shields, long range, or the ability to very rapidly reposition away from focus fire is suicidal for that unit). Cavalry is in a similar boat; ellyrian reavers are okay very early on when you're still reliant on a spearman core, but silver helms don't punch hard enough to outperform sea boys at killing and dragon princes are in direct tier competition with Actual Dragons, who fly and cause terror and have nuclear breath weapons that can delete entire blobs in one go. Eagles and Phoenixes suffer a similar fate; eagles are absolutely horrible at fighting and die instantly to any resistance so are only good for very early siege sniping and the phoenixes are in the same tier as sun/moon dragons which are way better than both for only a little bit more money. I guess I'm due to try out a lizard campaign because they're the only faction I haven't spent any time on yet. Kanos fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Chaos Hellcanons taking half the hp of a unit of Lothern Sea Guard per shot that's some bullshit right there.
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The skaven spell on the warlock that stops flyers from moving works when fliers are on the ground or flying and is an aoe gently caress you elves
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Dragon Princes are unkillable horse gods and I would rather have them in a fight than a dragon who you kind of have to babysit, even Star Dragons. Nothing like War Hydras, which are the perfect monster. Dragon Princes can get charged by most cavalry in this game and still win the melee fight, they're top tier fuh sho.
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PSA: If you do the introductory tutorial, you get extra units. Mazdamundi gets two Cold Ones Malekith gets two Cold One Knights Tyrion gets two Silver Helms Queek gets two Rat Ogres
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Counterpoint: The tutorial is so loving obnoxiously simple if you've ever seen a video game before that I couldn't care if it gave me 400 skill points and a few million gold IRL, I am never doing that again.
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jokes posted:Dragon Princes are unkillable horse gods and I would rather have them in a fight than a dragon who you kind of have to babysit, even Star Dragons. Nothing like War Hydras, which are the perfect monster. Dragon Princes can get charged by most cavalry in this game and still win the melee fight, they're top tier fuh sho. It's not like you have anything else besides your dragons to babysit when your stack is a million sea boys and some bolt throwers.
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Knobb Manwich posted:Counterpoint: It made me hate this game for whatever grueling amount of time it went for.
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Knobb Manwich posted:Counterpoint: To add to this: It's disabled if you're playing on a difficulty designed for those with some real testicular fortitude.
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I accidentally left the tutorial on my first playthrough and it took approximately 5 seconds of "press W to move the camera" before alt-f4ing out. Bitch, I've been playing since Shogun.
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I'm cracking open a 'cold one' right now.
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Highelf armies are a bit on the boring side, you'll do perfectly fine with 3-5 meatshield spearmen and the rest archers of whatever tier you feel like going with. They just don't have much variety compared to even what the empire had in warhammer1 on release, 1 siege weapon, just a few cavalry choices and a few spearmen, archer, swordsmen and greatsword choices, the dragons are the only thing they got that are decently interesting to use. Not sure what they could add in a unit pack to flesh them out.
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A flying chariot
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Giant lion chariots. Doofy sky boats pulled by eagles. If they wanted to make up a unit they could do giant lion cavalry. They're also missing shadow warriors who are a shades/waywatchers sort of unit and sister's of avelorn who are elite archers with magic bows.
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I wonder what the first Dark Elf DLC lord will be? Helleboron? Mallus? Fellheart?
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Archaeology Hat posted:Giant lion chariots. gently caress imagine how obnoxious a ranged flying chariot would be. Put that stupid poo poo in the game CA.
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ok goons besides more rats, how do I deal with elf monster bullshit as skaven
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Highelf armies are a bit on the boring side, you'll do perfectly fine with 3-5 meatshield spearmen and the rest archers of whatever tier you feel like going with. Yeah I abandoned my Tyrion campaign after the first ritual because it was just disgustingly simple and boring to win fights - just camp out, shoot them to pieces and then send Tyrion to chaosdunk on their lord. If you go for the Heir of Aenarion-line (that boosts stats but gives penalties to public order) Tyrion becomes so disgustingly overpowered I'm fairly confident he could handle Kholek with relative ease. 1k weapon damage, 120 charge bonus, 140 armor, high 80's to low 90's melee atk and def. I sent him after a lord and accidentally forgot to pull him back so he got bogged down by 4 mid-tier units and he just routed them all no problem.
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Third World Reggin posted:ok goons Warp lightning cannons
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Third World Reggin posted:ok goons A big battery of warp lightning cannons. Globadiers are good. Stormvermin have halberds, so they're also ok. Hell pit abomination seems to tar other monsters.
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Third World Reggin posted:ok goons 2+ units of globadiers can put out a disgusting amount of damage on any dragon or hydra that comes your way.
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As queek, south africa is easily mine, lizards have been no problem, but the loving elf colonies to the south east keep sending monster armies and have been a pain. I guess I need more warp poo poo. I have done zero rituals while the enemy has done 2 or 3 each. gently caress you I am painting the map. Also beastmen are my best buds.
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Third World Reggin posted:ok goons Poison Wind Globadiers make excellent anti-large fire brigade teams and Warp Lightning Cannons for long-range work.
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With the elves in the south bottom corner, I found so long as I never met them they wouldn't declare war on me because we never met and they didn't seem like they wanted to leave their island, a little cheesey, but saved me the trouble of extra elves sailing behind me.
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What's the generally best way to deal with the Dark Elves in the north as Mazdamundi? I'm taking all the jungles, but the Cult of Pleasure and S'sildra Something keep harassing me as soon as I leave. Their land is super corrupty so I can't really live in it and it has attrition. Do I just run in and raze their poo poo and run away?
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Burn it all, get enough cavalry to deal with the archer spam and push them back north, consider keeping the ancient vault city for the 4 digit income it can provide, alternatively wall up your cities in the north and have a ambush army on permanent guard duty for the endless elves coming for it. On another note, feral cold ones are actually pretty good, they are about the price point and niche of wolves but they are dinosaurs so they just eat everything and do pretty nasty AOE damage on their attacks. Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Jeza posted:What's the generally best way to deal with the Dark Elves in the north as Mazdamundi? I'm taking all the jungles, but the Cult of Pleasure and S'sildra Something keep harassing me as soon as I leave. Their land is super corrupty so I can't really live in it and it has attrition. Do I just run in and raze their poo poo and run away? That's what I did. If anyone repopulates the ruins destroy them. I had cult of pleasure next door and pushed them out of the closest 5 regions by moving 50% and camping.
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