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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:What, makes them gay, exactly? They didn't trip my gaydar so I honestly don't know what you mean. well you see...Cassandra has short hair. That's the only justification I've seen, she has short hair so she must be butch.
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She’s not feminine enough so she obviously must be gay, pretty much. Dunno what to call it but that kind of reasoning doesn’t sit well with me. 
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Dec 12, 2017 14:42
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Avalerion posted:She’s not feminine enough so she obviously must be gay, pretty much. Dunno what to call it but that kind of reasoning doesn’t sit well with me. It's called stereotyping 
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Dec 12, 2017 14:49
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Every character is gay or straight or both or neither completely at my whim, the player. - A Bioware Fan.
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Dec 12, 2017 16:08
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I have just decided that Anders is a furry. If you disagree, that's oppression!
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Dec 12, 2017 16:09
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The only thing Anders is, is dead. 
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Dec 12, 2017 16:17
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There's a scene where a female character can pursue Cassandra to a certain degree. She is clearly caught off guard and more than flattered, but her response is more to the line of it wouldn't be right than I'm not interested. But hey, you're all right, she has short hair, so she's gay. ??? I thought we were better than this. Ad hominem isn't super cool.
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Dec 12, 2017 16:57
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Chomp8645 posted:I have just decided that Anders is a furry. If you disagree, that's oppression! His fursona is some goth raven bullshit
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Dec 12, 2017 16:59
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Oh dear me posted:There's a mod that lets women romance Cassandra too. You don't get all your own character's voiced lines, but it's nice to have all the same. There was such a mod until a bunch of angry boys screamed at the creator for daring to do so, harassing her until she removed it. Last I saw you can't really find it anywhere because boys don't like letting girls play with their toys. E: Apparently someone has decided to take it upon themselves to do the mod again. Awesome. https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonageinquisition/mods/1502/ Here's coverage of the original backlash: https://femhype.com/2015/03/18/bi-cassandra-mod-backlash-the-creator-speaks/
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Dec 12, 2017 17:05
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Bogart posted:There's a scene where a female character can pursue Cassandra to a certain degree. She is clearly caught off guard and more than flattered, but her response is more to the line of it wouldn't be right than I'm not interested. But hey, you're all right, she has short hair, so she's gay. ??? I thought we were better than this. Ad hominem isn't super cool. This makes me actually want a romance where the npc at some point admits that they aren't actually into the sex of the player character and breaks it off It would make people so mad but also it's a real thing that happens
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Dec 12, 2017 17:05
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*Starts character creation in new Bioware game* *Decides on short crop haircut for female character* Game: You have selected "gay woman". A - Confirm B - Edit
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Dec 12, 2017 17:12
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exquisite tea posted:Cassandra’s whole characterization is that despite her tough exterior, she’s really into girly feminine things and chick lit romance novels. She’s straight as hell.
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Dec 12, 2017 17:17
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Chomp8645 posted:*Starts character creation in new Bioware game* lmao I didn't think Cassandra was either gay OR straight until she started talking about romance novels. I thought she was a stereotypical "above that kind of thing" warrior
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Dec 12, 2017 17:26
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Her one true love is the feel of battle; the clashing of bone and sinew
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Dec 12, 2017 17:28
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Transmogrifier posted:There was such a mod until a bunch of angry boys screamed at the creator for daring to do so, harassing her until she removed it. Last I saw you can't really find it anywhere because boys don't like letting girls play with their toys. this is fuckin' nuts btw. like seriously fuckin' terribad.
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Dec 12, 2017 17:29
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A character who doesn't immediately want to gently caress anyone, the rarest of all Bioware specimens.
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Dec 12, 2017 17:30
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There's no equality unless someone makes a Romancing the Stone mod that lets me and Shale finally be together
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Dec 12, 2017 17:31
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Crow Jane posted:There's no equality unless someone makes a Romancing the Stone mod that lets me and Shale finally be together 
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Dec 12, 2017 17:36
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Groetgaffel posted:The only thing Anders is, is dead. Anders is alive, well, happily married to Hawke, and living with five cats in a pleasant home
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Dec 12, 2017 22:42
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I think a part of the reason for the desire around Cassandra to be a female love interest is because there is a distinct lack of butch women who are lesbians in videogames. And a lot of the women characters that present as butch (Cassandra, Cora, <non-bioware example> Zarya) either are explicitly straight or don't have anything suggesting otherwise. Which is weird and another can of worms entirely.
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Dec 12, 2017 22:53
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kurona_bright posted:I think a part of the reason for the desire around Cassandra to be a female love interest is because there is a distinct lack of butch women who are lesbians in videogames. And a lot of the women characters that present as butch (Cassandra, Cora, <non-bioware example> Zarya) either are explicitly straight or don't have anything suggesting otherwise. Which is weird and another can of worms entirely. That's because lesbian romances in games aren't for lesbian gamers but for men. I mean I'm sure game developers would swear otherwise but they aren't stupid. They know their audience.
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Dec 12, 2017 23:02
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Ginette Reno posted:That's because lesbian romances in games aren't for lesbian gamers but for men. Similarly, a lot of gay male romances in video games aren't for gay men, but for women.
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Dec 12, 2017 23:29
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Wow this is a take I guess when david gaider, a gay man, wrote dorian's romance, he was thinking about what appeals to woman rather than what appeals to himself
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Dec 12, 2017 23:36
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Ginette Reno posted:That's because lesbian romances in games aren't for lesbian gamers but for men. Bioware though? I feel like with DA especially they know they’ve got a solid following outside the usual horny young male demo and would want to toss them some bones
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Dec 12, 2017 23:36
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Okay to clarify so I look like less of an rear end: Gay romances in videogames are so far and few between (I'm struggling to remember any significant ones beyond bioware and stardew valley) that bioware games actually make up a significant fraction of the games that have them. And again, David Gaider has been a significant factor in the dragon age series (and mass effect didn't even get any besides tali until 3). So idk, i have a problem with the suggestion that a gay man was writing romances featuring gay men for a female audience
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Dec 12, 2017 23:46
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precision posted:Similarly, a lot of gay male romances in video games aren't for gay men, but for women. I imagine this is true as well. Ainsley McTree posted:Bioware though? I feel like with DA especially they know they’ve got a solid following outside the usual horny young male demo and would want to toss them some bones They've been getting better at it for sure. Sera isn't a beautiful girl who just happens to like girls. She actually looks normal. That British chick in ME3 whose name escape me though was pretty obviously marketed for dudes even if it was a lesbian romance. Ginette Reno fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Dec 12, 2017 23:53
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Ginette Reno posted:I imagine this is true as well. Yeah ME is a little more checkered in that regard (see, e.g., no gays until 3, Ashley’s uh, evolving aesthetic) but I feel like by inquisition, the DA team knew who their fans were.
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Dec 12, 2017 23:57
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kurona_bright posted:Okay to clarify so I look like less of an rear end: I don't think you looked an rear end at all, but I think you meant Liara (or Scout Harding as I think of her, nowadays). Agree with your general point completely, though.
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Dec 13, 2017 00:04
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Whoops, yeah. I meant Liara.
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Dec 13, 2017 00:10
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Am I misremembering that at a certain point in development both Cassandra and Cullen were bi? Also Kaiden is bi but this was removed in ME1. Why? I don’t know, but I do recall there was a lot of cattiness from people who romanced him with FemShep, just incredibly defensive because how dare their video game BF potentially have a past relationship with/have an attraction to men/masculine folks. Meanwhile I don’t seem to see similar arguments around Josie or Iron Bull (or Ja’al for that matter). Meanwhile: let me romance Krem, you cowards.
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Dec 13, 2017 03:50
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Honestly I think the DA2 approach of anyone can romance everyone is best, with exceptions of characters while their sexuality is a big part of their character (Dorian being bi wouldn't work).
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Dec 13, 2017 08:35
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precision posted:Similarly, a lot of gay male romances in video games aren't for gay men, but for women. A lot of romance books with gay male pairings are actually written for women (and mostly by women as well), so this makes sense in general. But as others have said, Gaider probably didn't write Dorian with a female audience foremost in his mind.
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Dec 13, 2017 08:35
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I don't think Cullen was ever intended as a bi romance, in fact his inclusion at all in Inquisition was due to his popularity among female fans of the series.
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Dec 13, 2017 10:10
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I never got what made him popular enough to be brought back in DA2, but his inclusion in Inquisition made sense. He's one of the most sane Templars around, and he even defied Meredith at the end. Since the Mage-Templar conflict was pretty big in the first part of DA:I, he was a good choice for advisor. But he never gave off any vibes of being bi, neither in the two first games nor in Inquisition.
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Dec 13, 2017 10:22
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Torrannor posted:But he never gave off any vibes of being bi, neither in the two first games nor in Inquisition. Most people don't.
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Dec 13, 2017 10:40
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Torrannor posted:I never got what made him popular enough to be brought back in DA2, but his inclusion in Inquisition made sense. Basically the same thing that happened to Tali from ME, though slightly less awful (people liking Tali because she was so "innocent" in ME1 will never stop creeping me out).
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Dec 13, 2017 11:37
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Avalerion posted:Most people don't. we have a racial bonus to stealth. but agreed that might as well let everyone fall in love with everyone unless it’s Dorian or someone else where their sexuality is integral to the character.
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Dec 13, 2017 17:31
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why is being gay integral to a person's character but not being straight?
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Dec 13, 2017 17:32
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Personally I like Inquisition's spread of sexualities(I would, of course, always like more of everything) - it makes the characters feel more like real people. And Dorian prompted me to make literally my first male RPG character ever just to see what romancing him is like.
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Bloodyshinta1 posted:why is being gay integral to a person's character but not being straight? Dorian’s whole conflict with his family is that they want him to find a woman to make babies with but he’s not into that. Make him straight or even just bi and you remove that.
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