A 50S RAYGUN posted:

just saw this comment in twitch chat

UnholyDreisT: Sienna my flame, my light bless my body with your purifying kiss.

cancel it, i don't want to play anymore

Coolguye posted:

you have been willfully misinterpreting every single not-entirely-positive thing that has been said about this game as curmudgeonly salt making GBS threads on the game's entire existence since you started posting here and posting junk like "just have fun with it until you're not" like the rest of us aren't doing literally the same thing between here and the discord. you don't even do this to me so much because i incessantly drop in 'don't get me wrong....' clauses precisely because junk like this is happening, but it still is super obnoxious and toxic. like just stop man, you are not smart or insightful when you do this junk and it makes it really loving hard to talk about a game that we're on a games forum in a games topic to talk about.


it didn't in VT1 and i see no reason why it would here

Capri Sun Tzu posted:

Is there a list anywhere of everyone's actives and passives?

MonsterEnvy posted:

I assume one will be put up with the new thread shortly.

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Fatshark_HedgeCommunity Manager2h
Hey everyone!

Today we put live Vermintide 2 v1.0!

The hype in the office is real, we cannot wait to show you the rest of the game. With that in mind however, we will not be publishing a full list of patch notes for those who have taken part in the beta up until now. Do know, we have put in heaps of fixes and tweaks based on your feedback.

Importantly though, we have fixed elements of and overhauled the rest of the damage system for the release of Vermintide 2. A result of this should be far more balanced burst output, no more melting bosses in seconds, because you had to be a mad-man if you thought some of your builds were intentional!

So Hero Power (“powerlevel”) does this: Scales your damage, your cleave and your stagger values.

All three values are a base property defined by each individual attack of each weapon. So a sword will have a different profile than an axe, which is then scaled by your total power level fo make stuff happen on enemies hit.

Now for killing stuff, on top of this very basic core damage value, you have the ability to boost your output in a couple of different ways; let’s call them Finesse (for crits/headshot/fiddly bonuses) and Strength (for drinking a certain named potion, being a murder hobo or other powerful ability boosters).

Your damage output is the sum of your core damage, Strength boost and Finesse boost.

So how does boost work? Simply by being a 0-1 scale of how much of your boost you get. Stacking different boosts will just work the boost upwards until it reaches 1 for max boost. So chugging a strength potion and using the huntsman ability will stack ontop of eachother and grant a bigger boost rather than multiply each other.

How much is max boost then? It is your core damage multiplied by whatever the weapon attack says it is. So a fencing sword will have a high ( 2.5x) Finesse boost but average (1.0) Strength boost for it’s charged attack.

There is a trick to it though; Strength boost will always use unarmoured damage as its core damage for setting boost AND on top of this, any Finesse boost will use whichever is highest between core and strength damage. Basically, it is a good idea to still crit-headshot after drinking that armor penetration strength potion.

Apart from this, we’ve just made sure that all powerlevel buffs are applied after we actually cap and scale your powerlevel. (Yes, we cap and scale your powerlevel to get a nice smooth ride across the difficulties.) Caps are currently: 200 for recruit, 400 for veteran and 600 for champion. No cap on Legend. Note that powerlevel buffs/increases from talents/gear can go beyond the cap, they’ll just use the cap as a max starting point.

As for the scaling, we scale stagger and cleave to a 3 times starting output at max powerlevel and stagger at 2 times (felt terrible not being able to stagger/stagger all the things otherwise)

All damage multipliers are applied last, so increased damage dealt from different tag/block/crit/headshot talents will incur a flat multiplier on the final damage. Note that these things won’t stack, no tagging a blocked enemy that got hit by a crit for exponential damage multipliers…

Final thought of the day. All damage and boost settings are individual for each target for each attack, so don’t expect to get the same headshot boost on the second clan rat you hit with the same sweep. Unless you’ve got a executioner, they get solid headshot boost for at least three targets for each sweep.

Stanley Pain posted:

Here's the thing. If you don't want generally broad characterisation don't post things like "the entire game's deisgn is bad" and then get mad that someone calls you out for it.

I nor anyone else is saying the game is perfect. It doesn't have to be either. But from my perspective there's been pages of "discussion" that basically amounts to new thing not like old thing. Maybe I've misread the posts or the the tone but that's the way I've read it. I also happen to think that the VT2 is leaps and bounds better in concrete ways I've already listed and specifically in a number of ways that me and Digi don't see eye to eye about.

Coolguye posted:

Ironbreaker:
Passive: One hit every 20 seconds does no damage. Increased stamina.
Active: Taunts all man-sized (e.g., not bosses or chaos warriors) enemies nearby. Infinite stamina for 10 seconds.

Cowcaster posted:

i don’t care if they nerfed kruber’s blunderbuss into the ground so long as it’s still all about that bass

Cowcaster posted:

i don’t care if they nerfed kruber’s blunderbuss into the ground so long as it’s still all about that bass

Martout posted:

jesus see what happens Fatshark? when you take your sweet time releasing stuff? you get people turning on each other like animals

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Yes, we cap and scale your powerlevel to get a nice smooth ride across the difficulties.

Illiterate Clitoris posted:

Jesus, can they make poo poo more obtuse?

Ignite Memories posted:

Unless I am mistaken, it doesn't actually grant infinite stamina - you can still run out your stamina by shoving. It just makes it so that blocking attacks takes no stamina for the duration. Still great for picking up friends and tanking boss hits tho.

Illiterate Clitoris posted:

Jesus, can they make poo poo more obtuse?

Coolguye posted:

if you want to set rules like this, don't get touchy when someone calls you out for being too proud to ask questions or clarify points instead of just taking as gospel whatever extreme reading that goes into your brain at first glaze. digirat literally already responded to you by saying that isn't what he said, i told you even before that that isn't what he said, this is not a discussion, this poo poo you're spouting isn't what he or anyone else said, yet you're continuing to pretend like it totally was guys, seriously.

your entire function in this thread has been to come in, get a first-grader's comprehension of what's being posted, respond smugly, and ignore all context surrounding the topic. like, loving stop, you're being an idiot.

Digirat posted:

The game’s design is worse than the first almost across the board...

Stanley Pain posted:

Are you being wilfully ignorant here? It's literally what he said. There's no mental gymnastics required my man. Let me help you out a bit.


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In spite of all of this it’s still a really good-feeling action game for just $30 from a dev who will probably support it really well, so it’s well worth it imo, but you’ve posted that you didn’t like the first one in the past so I’m not so sure 2 is for you.

Stanley Pain posted:

Are you being wilfully ignorant here? It's literally what he said. There's no mental gymnastics required my man. Let me help you out a bit.


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DeathSandwich posted:

Did you not get to the end of that post or did you just read the first sentence?

Coolguye posted:

your entire function in this thread has been to come in, get a first-grader's comprehension of what's being posted, respond smugly, and ignore all context surrounding the topic. like, loving stop, you're being an idiot.

Coolguye posted:

Unlucky7 posted:

Look, speaking as someone who WAS slightly scared off by Digirats posting, suck it up and get over it.

Stanley Pain posted:

Let's pretend I empty quoted this back at you for the same reason for the next x pages and call it a day. We're not going to move the needle in any appreciable way. I disagree with the majority of his opinions on the game.

Coolguye posted:

you still have a first grader's reading comprehension because the entire point here is i do not want to 'move the needle' on your opinions, i could not possibly care less what your opinions are.

this isn't an 'agree to disagree' cop-out, you're acting like a child and i'm asking you to knock it the gently caress off. if you can't, then just do everyone a favor and stay the hell out of the new thread.

Coolguye posted:

you still have a first grader's reading comprehension because the entire point here is i do not want to 'move the needle' on your opinions, i could not possibly care less what your opinions are.

this isn't an 'agree to disagree' cop-out, you're acting like a child and i'm asking you to knock it the gently caress off. if you can't, then just do everyone a favor and stay the hell out of the new thread.

Stanley Pain posted:

Dude I'm not sure why you're being stupidly aggressive, or why you constantly feel the need to post about it. I get it you don't like me or how I post. Get over it. Add me to ignore or whatever it is you need to do. Stop posting if you don't care.

The Gate posted:

As an impartial observer, you're acting like a child. Hope this clears things up for you, have a wonderful day!

Stanley Pain posted:

Dude I'm not sure why you're being stupidly aggressive, or why you constantly feel the need to post about it. I get it you don't like me or how I post. Get over it. Add me to ignore or whatever it is you need to do. Stop posting if you don't care.

Coolguye posted:

loving stop, you're being an idiot.

Stanley Pain posted:

Here's the thing. If you don't want generally broad characterisation don't post things like "the entire game's deisgn is bad" and then get mad that someone calls you out for it.

Stanley Pain posted:

Dude, don't make me quote what you wrote. I don't feel like scrolling down :P. You literally said something to the effect of the game's design is bad across the board. How else is someone supposed to read that as? Yeah you've spent weeks posting about how V2 isn't V1 in gameplay and mechanics. I happen to disagree with pretty much everything you've said. Mostly because we don't and probably never will see eye to eye on what makes a game fun for us. That's ok.

Third World Reggin posted:

I don't know who is worse but some how you are both idiot children

Coolguye posted:

how about instead of reflecting a 'get over it' you actually listen for once?

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lol sure okay